And then along came Mary...

[simonthezealot]

Perhaps you forget that whatever priests or anybody, including yourself, may do anywhere else besides in a sacred cathedral does not excuse displaying those actions inside it.

Hold on! The Holy Spirit dwells in us! not some silly temple. see for yourself!
John 20:22 (New International Version)
22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:24 (New International Version)
24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 Thessalonians 4:8 (New International Version)
8Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 1:11 (New International Version)
11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
Galatians 4:6 (New International Version)
6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba,[a] Father."
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (New International Version)
16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
Romans 8:9 (New International Version)
9You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:16 (New International Version)
16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
2 Timothy 1:14 (New International Version)
14Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.

It is most distressing to see not only this insulting attitude proudly displayed, but the uncomprehending and ignominious insistence that such behavior must be acceptible.

Yet your condescending attitude to others and your self piety are okay?

 

[Latreia]

Yet your condescending attitude to others and your self piety are okay?



I see this statement as incredible hypocrisy, in light of your other posts on this forum.

 

[simonthezealot]

Yet your condescending attitude to others and your self piety are okay?



I see this statement as incredible hypocrisy, in light of your other posts on this forum.

Now,you are calling me a hypocrite! YOUR lovely!

Your the sensitive type, I don't do well with sensitive types.
Apologetics is not for you.

 

[sunlover1]

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Jesus speaking



Luke 11:28 NASB
28 But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are athose who hear the word of God and observe it."

Luke 11:28 YLT
28 And he said, 'Yea, rather, happy those hearing the word of God, and keeping it!'

Luke 11:28 DRA
28 But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it.

 

[sunlover1]

Now,you are calling me a hypocrite! YOUR lovely!

Your the sensitive type, I don't do well with sensitive types.
Apologetics is not for you.

She's female.
We're more sensitive.

 

[simonthezealot]

She's female.
We're more sensitive.

Sorry ladies! this is a man's world, though the fairer sex has the say!

 

[simonthezealot]

Jesus speaking



Luke 11:28 NASB
28 But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are athose who hear the word of God and observe it."

Luke 11:28 YLT
28 And he said, 'Yea, rather, happy those hearing the word of God, and keeping it!'

Luke 11:28 DRA
28 But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it.

More...
GWT: Jesus replied, "Rather, how blessed are those who hear and obey God's word." (GOD'S WORD®)
KJV: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
ASV: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

DBY: But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it.
WEY: "Nay rather," He replied, "they are blessed who hear God's Message and carefully keep it."
WBS: But he said, Yes, rather blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
WEB: But he said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and keep it."

PNT: 11:27,28 Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee.
This woman, in her untaught enthusiasm, comes nearer the adoration of the mother of Jesus than anything elsewhere in the New Testament. The Lord rebukes it by saying, Rather are they blessed who hear and keep the word of God
(Lu 11:28). Mariolatry is idolatry. There is not the slightest foundation for it in the New Testament.
WES: 11:28 Yea, rather blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it - For if even she that bare him had not done this, she would have forfeited all her blessedness.
MHC: 11:27,28 While the scribes and Pharisees despised and blasphemed the discourses of our Lord Jesus, this good woman admired them, and the wisdom and power with which he spake. Christ led the woman to a higher consideration. Though it is a great privilege to hear the word of God, yet those only are truly blessed, that is, blessed of the Lord, that hear it, keep it in memory, and keep to it as their way and rule.

 

[simonthezealot]

Yet your condescending attitude to others and your self piety are okay?



I see this statement as incredible hypocrisy, in light of your other posts on this forum.

Kinda curious why didn't respond to the other part of post 21?

 

[Benedicta00]

Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
God Bless Rick~
Simon

and Mary did.

 

[simonthezealot]

and Mary did.

Yes we can assume that, but it the context is about to whom deserves the adoration!

 

[TheListener]

"What is the point of this thread?"

>Enlightened discussion.

Well, are you enlightened yet?

Just as Eve sinned and through Adam & Eve sin came into the world, Mary said "yes" to God and through Mary and Jesus salvation came into the world.

Mary is the new Eve, the Ark of the Covenant, she literally carried GOD around in her womb. She said 'yes' to God and became a vessel and took part in God's salvation, which made her Co-Redemptrix. Through her selfless act of giving herself to God's service she dispensed grace upon the world. That makes her the Mediatrix of all Graces.

None of those Scripture verses you posted above change these facts.

Neither Peter nor Paul nor Stephen nor any one of us had such a privilege. It's true that you can argue if mary said 'no' then God would have found someone else, then whoever God had chosen she would have been the mother of the Church.

What would Jesus do?

Jesus would love, respect and honour His mother. And so will I.

God Bless.

 

[simonthezealot]

Jesus would love, respect and honour His mother. And so will I.

Afterall, according to Bishop Liquori she is omnipotent so maybe you should or she'll reach out and thwap you one!

 

[TheListener]

Afterall, according to Bishop Liquori she is omnipotent so maybe you should or she'll reach out and thwap you one!

ha ha he he

 

[Questor]

John 20:22 (New International Version)
22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:24 (New International Version)
24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 Thessalonians 4:8 (New International Version)
8Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 1:11 (New International Version)
11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
Galatians 4:6 (New International Version)
6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba,[a] Father."
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (New International Version)
16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
Romans 8:9 (New International Version)
9You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:16 (New International Version)
16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
2 Timothy 1:14 (New International Version)
14Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.

Never heard of all this. You have the only copy in the world of the Holy Bible?

Maybe I could borrow it so I can copy and paste and plaster around how I want it interpreted, too.

Hold on! The Holy Spirit dwells in us! not some silly temple. see for yourself!

Perhaps you mean that God cannot be everywhere all the time. Did you mean that The Holy Spirit cannot dwell within any of those gathered together in His Name?
You do not recognize a place of worship or a church as meaning anything except where God is not present?

Yet your condescending attitude to others and your self piety are okay?

You define exactly where The Holy Spirit is and is not and show contempt for the places of worship of God and the salvation of the crucifixtion of His Son, the Messaiah?



You are a bit confusing, bro.

 

[IamAdopted]

Well, are you enlightened yet?

Just as Eve sinned and through Adam & Eve sin came into the world, Mary said "yes" to God and through Mary and Jesus salvation came into the world.

Mary is the new Eve, the Ark of the Covenant, she literally carried GOD around in her womb. She said 'yes' to God and became a vessel and took part in God's salvation, which made her Co-Redemptrix. Through her selfless act of giving herself to God's service she dispensed grace upon the world. That makes her the Mediatrix of all Graces.

None of those Scripture verses you posted above change these facts.

Neither Peter nor Paul nor Stephen nor any one of us had such a privilege. It's true that you can argue if mary said 'no' then God would have found someone else, then whoever God had chosen she would have been the mother of the Church.

What would Jesus do?

Jesus would love, respect and honour His mother. And so will I.

God Bless.

Mary is not and cannot be the ark.. Jesus is the Ark. For in Him alone stands the fullness of God.. Jesus and Mary? They were not married and not one flesh.. You have to be married to be one flesh.. Mary is not the new Eve.. She is not even our mother according to scripture. She was the earthly mother of Jesus. He has not once told us to honor her.. She cannot dispense anything for she was just a human as you and I..

 

[TheListener]

Mary is not and cannot be the ark.. Jesus is the Ark. For in Him alone stands the fullness of God.. Jesus and Mary? They were not married and not one flesh.. You have to be married to be one flesh.. Mary is not the new Eve.. She is not even our mother according to scripture. She was the earthly mother of Jesus. He has not once told us to honor her.. She cannot dispense anything for she was just a human as you and I..

No one is making her into a deity, she is human. She is a role model.

According to your reasoning,

Jesus and Mary? They were not married and not one flesh

then Jesus can't be the son of God because if Jesus is the son, who is the mother? Pure blasphemy that is... This is the kind of reasoning Muslims use. We know better than to assume an earthly model of father/son relationship between Jesus & God the Father. And it is a similar relationship that Mary is the mother of God, she didn't create God, she is human. but she did obey God and thus took part in God's salvation. This earned her a place in the history of salvation.

 

[Questor]

Mary is not and cannot be the ark.. Jesus is the Ark. For in Him alone stands the fullness of God.. Jesus and Mary? They were not married and not one flesh.. You have to be married to be one flesh.. Mary is not the new Eve.. She is not even our mother according to scripture. She was the earthly mother of Jesus. He has not once told us to honor her.. She cannot dispense anything for she was just a human as you and I..

Had no idea Jesus and Mary were in Arkansas. Wait a minute, in the other thread, they said it was Joseph and Mary.

Bless her, if she cannot dispense anything, we'll just have to go to a Coke machine.

 

[Questor]

OH. Jesus and Mary Magdelene.

That's another story..... and another book....... and another movie....and another lecture.....and another magazine article...and another online blog.......etc.

 

[TheListener]

OH. Jesus and Mary Magdelene.

That's another story..... and another book....... and another movie....and another lecture.....and another magazine article...and another online blog.......etc.

Don't forget to add the $$$ to be made in book sales and movie copyrights...

 

[IamAdopted]

No one is making her into a deity, she is human. She is a role model.

According to your reasoning, then Jesus can't be the son of God because if Jesus is the son, who is the mother? Pure blasphemy that is... This is the kind of reasoning Muslims use. We know better than to assume an earthly model of father/son relationship between Jesus & God the Father. And it is a similar relationship that Mary is the mother of God, she didn't create God, she is human. but she did obey God and thus took part in God's salvation. This earned her a place in the history of salvation.

Who said she wasn't Jesus earthly mother? Stated right above you. Still Mary is not the new Eve.. Scripture does not call her our mother..It wasn't because of Mary that Jesus was God in the flesh.. He was already God He just became flesh..