Why hasn't America returned to the Moon?

[B®ent]

i'm sorry but... where did you get this stuff ?

The Bible and Book of Enoch, combined with the overwhelming evidence that various celestial bodies (Mars, Callisto, etc.) were once occupied by a great civilization. Biblically speaking, these would have to be the 1/3rd of Angels which rebelled against God. That is why they were destroyed, and the evidence of the catastrophe remains.

 

[B®ent]

They lived there for two whole days?

Did Lucifer rebel only a few days after he was created?

No...

They lived in-between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, which was probably a span of several thousand years. The destruction of Earth is what made it "without form, and void..."

 

[Kol]

...yes, and the asteroid belt is actually a destroyed planet.

I've also heard that thousands of years ago, the earth would have appeared to come out of the mouth on Cydonia (the face on mars). As if to say, when the word of God comes forth, it does so on/by the earth...

 

[Kol]

They lived in-between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, which was probably a span of several thousand years. The destruction of Earth is what made it "without form, and void..."

Yeah...2000 years since the Messiah, 4000 years before that to Adam=6000 years. Since a day with the Lord is 1000 years, then the 7 days of creation=7000 years. Add the 6000 and the 7000, that's 13000, which would have been when the earth "became" an unrecognizable ruin. 13000 years ago was the Ice age. Is that right, brent?

 

[B®ent]

Yeah...2000 years since the Messiah, 4000 years before that to Adam=6000 years. Since a day with the Lord is 1000 years, then the 7 days of creation=7000 years. Add the 6000 and the 7000, that's 13000, which would have been when the earth "became" an unrecognizable ruin. 13000 years ago was the Ice age. Is that right, brent?

No. The six days of creation in Genesis are literal 24-hour days. However, the first day does not begin until verse 3. In-between verse 1 and 2, an unspecified amount of time passed by. Thousands, possibly millions of years. It is impossible to know for certain.

...yes, and the asteroid belt is actually a destroyed planet.

That is correct. It was known as Tiamat, or Rahab. In Job 26:12, and Psalm 89:10, the destruction of Egypt is contrasted with the annihilation of Tiamat/Rahab. Strangely, 'Rahab' can be translated 'arrogance.' Coincidence? I think not.

It has also been suggested that Mars was actually a moon of Tiamat.

I've also heard that thousands of years ago, the earth would have appeared to come out of the mouth on Cydonia (the face on mars). As if to say, when the word of God comes forth, it does so on/by the earth...

Interesting. I have not heard this before.

 

[Sketcher]

Did Lucifer rebel only a few days after he was created?

No...

They lived in-between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, which was probably a span of several thousand years. The destruction of Earth is what made it "without form, and void..."

The moon didn't exist until Day 4. Therefore if your story is consistent, demons could not have lived there for more than two days, as Adam was created on Day 6.

 

[Kol]

I can see this getting ugly...but in all fairness, it's not "Brent's" story, lol.

Brent, do you believe in hydroplate theory?

 

[Sketcher]

I can see this getting ugly...but in all fairness, it's not "Brent's" story, lol.

Whoever's story it is then. He's believing it, he's arguing for it, therefore it's his claim as far as this thread is concerned.

 

[arunma]

i'm sorry but... where did you get this stuff ?

Behold: the end result of creationism. Or perhaps, "YEC Gone Wild" would also be an appropriate terminology.

 

[B®ent]

The moon didn't exist until Day 4.

In verse 14-15, God made the lights associated with these already-present celestial bodies, from the perspective of the surface of the Earth. This indicates that the Sun and Moon faced utter destruction as well, similar to what we shall see in the last days. (The Sun turning black, the Moon turning red, etc.) It could also indicate that the first heaven (the Earth's sky) was darkened (with dust, etc.) resulting from a catastrophic event. I've long suspected that pieces of Tiamat/Rahab played a role in the judgment of Pre-Adamic Earth. The point being, in Genesis 1:14-15 God permitted these sources of light to reach the surface of the Earth.

The Stars, Sun and Moon were created in the beginning, and brought to destruction between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, but regenerated in Genesis 1:14-15, just as the Earth itself was regenerated.

Here is an excellent article in defense of the gap theory:

http://www.kjvbible.org/gap_theory.html

Gap theory believers are rare nowadays. But then, so are Fundamentalists.
(Most gap theory believers are Fundamentalist)

 

[B®ent]

Brent, do you believe in hydroplate theory?

Yes, along with the Canopy theory.
Both were used to flood the Earth.

[bible]Genesis 1:6-7[/bible]

 

[Shyguyelite]

Interesting thread.

 

[Sketcher]

Behold: the end result of creationism. Or perhaps, "YEC Gone Wild" would also be an appropriate terminology.

Actually, it directly contradicts YEC.

 

[Sketcher]

In verse 14-15, God made the lights associated with these already-present celestial bodies, from the perspective of the surface of the Earth. This indicates that the Sun and Moon faced utter destruction as well, similar to what we shall see in the last days. (The Sun turning black, the Moon turning red, etc.) It could also indicate that the first heaven (the Earth's sky) was darkened (with dust, etc.) resulting from a catastrophic event. I've long suspected that pieces of Tiamat/Rahab played a role in the judgment of Pre-Adamic Earth. The point being, in Genesis 1:14-15 God permitted these sources of light to reach the surface of the Earth.

The Stars, Sun and Moon were created in the beginning, and brought to destruction between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, but regenerated in Genesis 1:14-15, just as the Earth itself was regenerated.

Here is an excellent article in defense of the gap theory:

http://www.kjvbible.org/gap_theory.html

Gap theory believers are rare nowadays. But then, so are Fundamentalists.
(Most gap theory believers are Fundamentalist)

But there is NO destruction in the creation story. It is all creation, and peaceful creation at that. This is one of the many aspects (besides truth) that sets our creation story apart from the pagan creation stories. Those stories all have battles between gods, and things like the harvest results. God however, is the only game in town, and He is supreme. He just speaks, and it comes into being.

Clue #1: Compare the phrase "the heavens and earth, which are now" to the phrase the "heavens were of old":

What does that mean? Ask yourself this question: When Noah's flood happened did it change anything in the upper heavens? Would a flood on the Earth have any effect on the sun, moon, or stars? The obvious answer is NO. The heavens of Noah's days were the same heavens as in Adam's day; same sun, same moon, same stars. FACT: Noah's flood had no effect on the upper heavens. All of Noah's flood's effects were confined to the Earth's surface and atmosphere. And although the Bible speaks about the "windows of heaven" being opened and water coming down (Genesis 7:11), the context of that reference is the "first" heaven of the Earth's atmosphere. That is where rain comes from. (Keep in mind: The Bible says there are three (3) heavens. See 2 Corinthians 12:2). This explained in great detail later.

Again, note the contrasting comparison between the phrases the "heavens were of old" (before the waters of 2 Peter 3:5-7) and the "heavens and earth which are now" (after the waters of 2 Peter 3:5-7). If Noah's flood did not alter the upper heavens, then this verse must be speaking about an event other than Noah's flood. And Genesis 1:2 is our only other Biblical candidate.

First, let's look at the actual passage. I'll even throw you a bone and use the KJV.

"5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. "

As we can plainly see, verse 5 is not the flood and verse 6 is. Verse 6 does not mention anything about the heavens being destroyed, only the earth. As for "the heavens which are now," they need to finish the sentence. He's talking about the same old heavens. The "now" only refers to their ultimate fate, being judged by fire.

I'll continue this after church if I need to.

 

[B®ent]

But there is NO destruction in the creation story. It is all creation, and peaceful creation at that. This is one of the many aspects (besides truth) that sets our creation story apart from the pagan creation stories. Those stories all have battles between gods, and things like the harvest results. God however, is the only game in town, and He is supreme. He just speaks, and it comes into being.

So when did Lucifer rebel? One day after he was created? God says Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Somehow, I'm inclined to believe this lasted longer than a day or two.

Just because the Bible does not detail the destruction does not mean it didn't happen. The Bible does leave room between verse 1 and 2 for this to have occurred.

"5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. "

As we can plainly see, verse 5 is not the flood and verse 6 is. Verse 6 does not mention anything about the heavens being destroyed, only the earth. As for "the heavens which are now," they need to finish the sentence. He's talking about the same old heavens. The "now" only refers to their ultimate fate, being judged by fire.

I'll continue this after church if I need to.

Incorrect. Verse 5 describes, "that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water..."

Noah's flood did not bring chaos to the Heavens (the sun, moon, stars, etc.) So something else must have. Namely, a Pre-Adamic catastrophe (flood, combined with other plagues) which utterly wiped out life on Earth.

In the beginning, God made the Earth perfect.
He did not make it formless and void.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Wow, there is so much incorrect information here... I don't have time to sift it all, but I'll start with the easiest ones.

No. The six days of creation in Genesis are literal 24-hour days. However, the first day does not begin until verse 3. In-between verse 1 and 2, an unspecified amount of time passed by. Thousands, possibly millions of years. It is impossible to know for certain.

The "days" in Genesis cannot be taken literal. The closest translation we had for the original text that would make sense to people was "days". However, the Hebrew word yôma literally means "time".

The Bible and Book of Enoch, combined with the overwhelming evidence that various celestial bodies (Mars, Callisto, etc.) were once occupied by a great civilization. Biblically speaking, these would have to be the 1/3rd of Angels which rebelled against God. That is why they were destroyed, and the evidence of the catastrophe remains.

Hold the phone... you do realize there are reasons these books don't exist in the Bible, correct? Especially in the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls which were written by Pagans. These books, while are interesting to read, should NEVER be taken literally or as fact.

CJ

 

[Sketcher]

So when did Lucifer rebel? One day after he was created? God says Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Somehow, I'm inclined to believe this lasted longer than a day or two.

Oh, I believe that too. I just don't believe Satan's forces were hiding out on the moon or on any of our planets.

Just because the Bible does not detail the destruction does not mean it didn't happen. The Bible does leave room between verse 1 and 2 for this to have occurred.

But you're reading into this, making assumptions, and then doctrine from those assumptions.

Incorrect. Verse 5 describes, "that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water..."

"were of old" simply means they existed long ago.

Noah's flood did not bring chaos to the Heavens (the sun, moon, stars, etc.) So something else must have. Namely, a Pre-Adamic catastrophe (flood, combined with other plagues) which utterly wiped out life on Earth.

But Young Earth Creationism does not teach that the flood destroyed the cosmos. Furthermore, the Bible does not in any way teach that the cosmos were at any point destroyed.

In the beginning, God made the Earth perfect.
He did not make it formless and void.

The earth was formless and void before God created it - which is a fancy way of saying it didn't exist. Nothing existed before God created it. There is absolutely no evidence for a universe being destroyed before the creation of the earth. Furthermore, angels are spiritual beings and wars between angels need not cause any sort of physical fallout.

 

[Sketcher]

]Hold the phone... you do realize there are reasons these books don't exist in the Bible, correct? Especially in the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls which were written by Pagans. These books, while are interesting to read, should NEVER be taken literally or as fact.

The Essenes were not pagans. However, as old as the Book of Enoch is and has been known to the Jews, it was never canonized, which ought to tell us something.

 

[QuantaCura]

Because we never actually landed there. The lunar landing was directed by Stanley Kubrik in a Nevada desert in order to win the space race and end the Cold War.

Oh no, gotta run, here they come to get me!

 

[MerchantofMenace]

Because we never actually landed there. The lunar landing was directed by Stanley Kubrik in a Nevada desert in order to win the space race and end the Cold War.

Actually, what really happened is that the Soviets made it, but U.S. agents suppressed it, and then they filmed moon landing in the desert.

In Soviet Russia, truth makes you.