Yet another "Mary" thread . . . . .

[IamAdopted]

And St. John Damascene writes:
Virginity was practiced in Paradise… After the fall... to keep the race from dwindling and being destroyed by death, marriage was devised, so that by the begetting of children the race of men might be preserved.

Well that is not truth. For marriage was from the beginning.. It is even talked about in the NT.. For God created woman for man.. So whom ever this person is that you quoted has not read the whole bible..

 

[racer]

Which reminds me of a joke I just heard . . .





GREEK JEWS


Two Jewish men, Sid and Al, were sitting in a Greek restaurant Sid asked Al, "Are there any people of our faith born and raised in Greece?"

Al replied, "I don't know, let's ask our waiter."

When the waiter came by, Al asked him, "Are there any Greek Jews?" And the waiter said, "Aronno, I ask the cooks."

He returned from the kitchen in a few minutes and said, "No ser, no Greek Jews."

Al wasn't really satisfied with that and asked, "Are you absolutely sure?"

The waiter, realizing he was dealing with "xenoi" gave the expected answer, "I check again," and went back into the kitchen.

While the waiter was away, Sid said, "I find it hard to believe that there are no Jews in Greece. Our people are scattered everywhere."

The waiter returned and said, "The head cook say there is no Greek Jews."

"Are you certain?" Al asked once again. "I can't believe there are no Greek Jews!"

"I ask EVERYONE," replied the exasperated waiter. "All we have is Orange Jews, Prune Jews, Tomato Jews, and Grape Jews."

Cute . . . . . but, I've heard it before . . . .

 

[Asinner]

But, that does not answer my question. Would they have not bore children if the Fall had never occurred?

Not by sexual relations.

 

[IamAdopted]

Genesis 1

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

This was before the fall... This is what God commanded them.. So therefore it is pure and good in the sight of God.

 

[Oblio]

So whom ever this person is that you quoted has not read the whole bible..

Right. St. John has probably memorized more Scripture than you have understood.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

 

[IamAdopted]

Not by sexual relations.

what would they have done coughed them up?

 

[IamAdopted]

Hebrews 13

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

 

[Asinner]

Well that is not truth. For marriage was from the beginning.. It is even talked about in the NT.. For God created woman for man.. So whom ever this person is that you quoted has not read the whole bible..

They were not created married. Marriage life began when Adam knew Eve and she conceived. They were like children prior to the fall.

Love,
Christina

 

[IamAdopted]

They were not created married. Marriage life began when Adam knew Eve and she conceived. They were like children prior to the fall.

Love,
Christina

Oh boy.. I don't know whom has told you all this. He commanded them to multipy. Before the fall.. He man man and woman.. Not children..

 

[Asinner]

Oh boy.. I don't know whom has told you all this. He commanded them to multipy. Before the fall.. He man man and woman.. Not children..

I said they were like children. You are still missing the verse where they actually came together as husband and wife and conceived (Gen 4:1).

Love,
Christina

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Btw, how come the Bible never shows what happened to Eve? And why is only the Adam cast out of the garden? I may have to study more on these 2 verses though the LORD does appear to name both as One Adam in 5:2. Thoughts?

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

Gene 3:23 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is sending/shalach him away from garden of Eden to serve the ground which from there he was taken.
24 And He is expelling/garash <ath> the 'adam, and he is dwelling from east to garden of Eden, 'ath' the cherubim and 'ath' flame of the sword, the one turning himself, to guard/keep 'ath' way of tree of the living ones.

Gene 5:2 Male and Femal He created them, and He is blessing them and He is calling <ath> name of them, Adam, in day to be created them.

 

[WarriorAngel]

[/size]

The same reason "God" needed a human mother . . . . .



Was Jesus fully Man?

I have to beg to differ. Christ needed a mother to become human....
He didnt need siblings whatsoever.

 

[WarriorAngel]

What is your point? Would they not have conceived if the fall had never occurred?

Do angels need to procreate?
Or does God create them?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Oh boy.. I don't know whom has told you all this. He commanded them to multipy. Before the fall.. He man man and woman.. Not children..

Verse?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Gen
28 And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth

Did He then say childbirth literally later?
And with pain?

Prior, we could have given birth like the bees who need no partners.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do angels need to procreate?
Or does God create them?

What if they are "neuter"? I mean, imagine how many billions and billions of souls have died since "Adam" and how many more billions and billions will die in the coming centuries.

 

[IamAdopted]

Why do you all have a problem with sex in a marriage? Is this something that the catholic church teaches against or something.. You act as if it is sin and ungodly.. This is found no where in scripture. Hebrews says different. Genesis says different.. This is a beautiful act that God has given to married couples.. You act as if it is taboo..

 

[namericanboy]

Prior, we could have given birth like the bees who need no partners.[/B]

???

 

[Asinner]

Why do you all have a problem with sex in a marriage? Is this something that the catholic church teaches against or something.. You act as if it is sin and ungodly.. This is found no where in scripture. Hebrews says different. Genesis says different.. This is a beautiful act that God has given to married couples.. You act as if it is taboo..

It has been stated on this thread that God has sanctified marriage through the Sacrament of Marriage. We do not believe it is impure or sinful or ungodly. Do I need to repeat this again . . . ?We do not believe it is impure or sinful or ungodly. It is not as high a state as virginity though, and Paul himself, attests to this in 1Corinthians 7.

Love,
Christina