Partial preterest

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"Genea" is NOT key to preterism/partial preterism. It is THIS genea, however, that is. This is a demonstrative pronoun used to differentiate this from that. It is a pointer. WHENEVER the expression "THIS generation" is used elsewhere (besides Matthew 24:34) in the NT Scriptures, it ALWAYS means those contemporaneous to the speaker or writer. It is the futurist who is forced to take an unusual and isolated meaning for this expression because he must in order to support his eschatological viewpoints. It is the futurist who must defend himself--not the preterist.

There are not merely a few time references in the Bible upon which preterism bases its views, but many--over 100! In these references are time indicators that futurists must address but which most do not. Those who do at least deal with them, deal with them by redefining them--simple, common, everyday words such as "near," "at hand," "about to," "shortly," "quickly," "soon," etc. It is interesting that a comparison between the uses of these words in noneschatological and eschatological uses reveals this: futurists have NO problems taking these words literally in the noneschatolgocal contexts but stumble over them in eschatological contexts! The same words given different nuances because of one's theology!

These are words no one stumbles over in his day-to-day life. They present problems because to take them in their normal sense violates the doctrine of future things.

It is not the preterist who must defend himself--it is the futurist. Preterists are falsely accused of basing their entire system of belief on Matthew 24:34, yet futurists attempt to reason away all time references with a desperate appeal to 2 Peter 3:8.

Will just one futurist (and I've tried this before to no avail) tell me, without an unjustified appeal to 2 Peter 3:8 what these verses mean IN THEIR CONTEXTS?

"The coming of the Lord is AT HAND." (James 5:8)
"The end of all things is AT HAND." (1 Peter 4:7)

Will anyone give a satisfactory explanation for Jesus' saying that some of those contemporaneous to Him would not die before THEY saw Him coming in His kingdom (Matthew 16)? Will someone dare to explain what Jesus meant when He clearly told Caiaphas that he himself and the other rulers of the temple would SEE Him sitting at the right hand of Power and COMING on the clouds? (Matthew 26:64).

What did Jesus mean when He clearly told His disciples standing right there in front of them--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ?" Of how many abominations of desolation did Daniel speak?

I could go on and on. The proofs for preterism are much, much more than time reference words and genea of Matthew 24:34. Those who think they are, do not understand it!

In Christ, Parousia (a former pre-trib., pre-mil. dispensationalist)

Parousia

Quote. “WHENEVER the expression "THIS generation" is used elsewhere (besides Matthew 24:34) in the NT Scriptures, it ALWAYS means those contemporaneous to the speaker or writer. It is the futurist who is forced to take an unusual and isolated meaning for this expression because he must in order to support his eschatological viewpoints. It is the futurist who must defend himself--not the preterist. ” Unquote.

Not so Parousia, preterists take one verse out of context and build a church on it.
Jesus spoke the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. of the generation of mortal men and as a ‘futurist’ I am more than happy to prove the point with surrounding verses within context and then watch preterists dance around them trying to diminish their clear biblical intent to fit their debunked fictional ideas!
The trouble with preterists, is they like to make the Bible, fit their theories instead of placing the authority of the Bible first.

Luke 11: 51. From
Abel was killed a long time before that generation standing in front of Jesus, even existed.
They were NOT responsible for the death of Abel. Let’s see now.. We have in one generation where Able is killed and yes, another generation where Zacharias son of Barachias was murderedas told in Matthew 23: 35. “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”

So now we can see that Jesus, was speaking of the generation of evil mortal men, all-encompassing.

Another example illustrating preterists foolishness even more, are these following verses.

Future tense, within the generation of mortal men to come.
Matt 23: 34. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you PROPHETS, and WISE MEN, and SCRIBES: and some of them YE SHALL KILL and crucify; and some of them SHALL YE SCOURGE in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Past tense covering many a generation from Able to Zacharias.
Matt 23: 35. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Jesus is talking about the generation of evil men past present and future that murdered many Prophets and that did not all happen during that one generation standing in front or Him.
Yet as part of the generation of mortal men they will be held responsible along with the others for their deeds.
Matt 23: 36. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Now again within the next adjoining verses Jesus, is speaking of many Prophets over many a generation.
Matt 23: 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matt 23: 38. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
There is more clear evidence of the fact that it took many a generation, ie from ‘the foundation of the world,’ way back when, to that generation before Jesus, for the following to have occurred, so we see the intent driven home. Over many a generation.

Luke 11: 50. That the blood OF ALL THE PROPHETS, which was SHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, may be required of THIS GENERATION;

So again another verse speaks of all the Prophets and a shedding their blood at the hands of an earlier generation of mortal men and each evil generation after that doing the same thing, way before the generation standing in front of Jesus, was even born, and therefore they were not responsible for the deaths of earlier Prophets, or those to come, so Jesus was speaking of each generation inclusively.
However they were responsible for the death of Zacharias, son of Barachias and as such the generation of mortals responsible will ALL pay a very high price for those deeds at the return of the Christ.

Even the Prophet Zacharias, spoke of Prophets covering many a generation.
Luke 1: 70. As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Luke 1: 71.That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of ALL THAT HATE US;
Jesus said the ‘greatest of them all’ was the Prophet John the Baptist. He indeed was the son of Zacharius.
It was Herod that killed John the Baptist. Herod was a godless evil man that was a part of the generation of evil mortal men.

In the next statement Jesus, makes it clear that He speaks inclusively of the generation of evil scribes and Pharisees from their forefathers down to that generation standing in front of Him, they knew and confirmed that fact by speaking of the deeds of their forefathers generation in Matthew 23:29. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
The clear inclusive generational intent of the conversation is made obvious in the following verse.
30. And say, If we had been IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS, we would NOT HAVE been partakers with them IN THE BLOOD OF THE PROPHETS.”

Another problem with the preterist theory is the following.
How would Jesus, be able to pin point His return within that Generation exclusively or within any other, other than meaning at the end of the generation of mortal man, where they will be held accountable. When our Lord admits that He did not know the time of His second advent in Mark 13: 32. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Jesus also said this, I repeat. Mark 13;33. “Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.”
And that goes for the Disciples.
Knowing the clear intent how do we read the following?
Matt 24: 32. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
What generation will pass when He returns? The generation of all mortal man. See 1 Cor 15: 52 – 57. When mortals will be changed from their sinful state to that of righteous immortals to the equal of angels.

Matt 24: 35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matt 24: 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
I repeat. Mark noted the words of Jesus, making it clear to all that nobody knows the TIME and THAT WENT FOR PETER, PAUL and ALL THE DISCIPLES.
Mark 13: 33. “Take heed, watch and pray; for YOU DO NOT KNOW WHEN THE TIME IS.
Jesus admitted that even He, did not know the time of the second advent, so how could He even suggest that, that particular generation would see Him returning?
Mark 13: 32. But OF THAT DAY and that hour KNOWETH NO MAN, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father.
33. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE TIME IS.
Now if as preterists claim He meant that, that generation would see a sign why did He say the following.
In fact Jesus was very specific that NO SIGN would be given TO THAT GENERATION.
Mark 8: 11. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him A SIGN FROM HEAVEN, tempting him.

We read a direct answer to those standing there asking a specific question that they see a ‘heavenly sign.’ So we have the intent.
Addressing that generation about a sign that, that generation wanted to see Jesus, gave the following answer.
Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO THIS GENERATION.
So when Acts6: 5. says quote. “Jesus could say he would return within His generation without knowing "the day or the hour" of that return. During his earthly ministry, He could be specific concerning the generation but not the day or the hour.” Unquote.

I say Re-read Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO THIS GENERATION.


No sign was given to them from Heaven, which includes the greatest sign of all. THE SECOND ADVENT!
Those are just a few reasons why I say that the preterist teaching is false misleading and dangerous.
They keep looking back and will get snared, as is their choice.

Parousia, quote.
“There are not merely a few time references in the Bible upon which preterism bases its views, but many--over 100! In these references are time indicators that futurists must address but which most do not.” Unquote.

As I said ‘the Disciple, did not know the time of the second advent.”
Mark 13: 33. “Take heed, watch and pray; for YOU DO NOT KNOW WHEN THE TIME IS.
Knowing the above and seeing the intent of the term ‘generation of man’ will pass and be changed at trumpet seven then we must read within that intent the following.
Matthew 24: Mar 13: Luke 21:
When we see certain signs within Matthew 24: Mar 13: Luke 21: come to pass we can expect the following.
Luke 21: 31. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

But did the above happen in 70AD within that one generation standing before the Christ? Of course not because Jesus said.
I repeat because the preterist can’t see or seem to understand this verse Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO THIS GENERATION.

I will get back regarding the other question from Parousia in a while.

 

[Jipsah]

Impressive bit of scenery-chewing there. But one question. Has sacrifice and oblation ceased or not?

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Impressive bit of scenery-chewing there. But one question. Has sacrifice and oblation ceased or not?

Jipsah, please give me some time to answer. I would appreciate that.
I will get back to you.

 

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The second part of my first answer.
Parusia asks a ‘futurist,’ for want of a better name, to explain these following chapter and verses.
1 Peter 4: 7. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Did Peter know how close the end was? No he did not, here is why he didn’t know. Mark 13: 33. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Peter thought Jesus, was to return within his lifetime as has every generation hoped and prayed for and there is nothing wrong in that.
But Jesus made it clear that no sign would be given to that generation, except ONE.
Mat 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, BUT THE SIGN of the PROPHET JONAS:
There was no heavenly sign for that generation.
Certainly not the greatest heavenly sign of the second coming!
The resurrection was accomplished after three days and three nights and like Jonas, Jesus was risen up after the same period.

Parousia asked about Matthew 26: 64 to be explained

Of course some of the wicked were told in Matt 26: 64, that they would see Jesus at the right hand of God.
Let’s look at this verse first and see WHEN some of the wicked of that generation would see Him at the side of the Ancient Of Days.
Rev 1: 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and THEY THAT PIERCED HIM: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
There we go Rev 1: 7, where the same was said to the Roman soldiers, that they would see Him coming in the clouds. They were of the same generation at that time where no sign would be given them.
The only ‘heavenly sign’ would have to be after that generation no longer existed, at the second coming as He sat at the right hand of God.

Mark 14; 62. And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and COMING IN THE CLOUDS of heaven.

Now let’s read . Matthew 26: 64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
That is yet to happen because no Heavenly sign was given to the generation standing before the Christ.
Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
This the heavenly sign.
Matt 16: 27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt 16: 28. Verily I say unto you, There be SOME standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Did Elijah see death? No, not yet that is, but he will.
Did Enoch taste death? No, he did not.
Did Moses taste death? Yes.
Is Moses dead? No. But he will face death again.
Were some of the Saints, raised at the resurrection of Christ? Yes.
Will some standing there in front of the Christ see death? No they will not because Jesus, said so.
I have no problem with that at all, after all Jesus, is called The ‘Resurrection.’ So He can raise the dead, change the living and keep alive those whom He chooses.

Ah, Parousia, asks about the ‘Abomination of desolation.’
Firstly knowing that no sign would be given to that generation standing in front of Jesus.
Reminder. Matt 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mark 8: 10. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him. 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN be given UNTO THIS GENERATION.
During Matthew 24: we have a question in verse three that sets the intent of the time concerned.

Capitals used for emphasis only.

We first have the scenario SET as follows within a question, and we need to look at it in detail.

Matthew 24: 1. “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to for to shew him the buildings of the temple.”

They were proud of those buildings, and there was a response from Jesus.

Matthew 24: 2. “And Jesus said unto them, See ye not ALL THESE THINGS? verily I say unto you, THERE SHALL NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.”

That prophetic and indispensable statement, about the stones, by Jesus, activated a quick response from the Disciples, they asked this of the Lord.

Matthew 24: 3. “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE? AND WHAT THE SIGN OF THY COMING, AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD?”
So we now have the questions.
1. “TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE?”
2. “AND WHAT THE SIGN OF THY COMING,”
3. “AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD?”

Three question in response from the Lord’s statement that quote,
“THERE SHALL NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.”

Far too many make assumptions by rushing to a premature 70AD conclusion of an event and applying it to Matt 24:
Those conclusions are based on mere similarities and or on very few events in Matthew 24: and they ignore other clear statements made by Jesus, about the stones.
Another example is the suffering of the Saints, or of the church of Smyrna, at the hands of the Roman army as somehow being THE tribulation!
Yet they ignore other unfulfilled requirements intrinsic to within Matt 24 and of verse 2.
These prophetic details are essential to within the prophecy visions and its fulfilment to demonstrate truth in full.
If it isn’t a completion in every detail then it isn’t a fulfilment.
The stones in the original ‘wailing wall’ are still standing all on top of each other.
Titus, left that Wailing wall standing in 70AD as a strategic vantage point, therefore he did not fit the LORD’S PROPHETIC DESCRIPTION of it being part of quote ‘these things’ as not being left ‘not one stone upon another.’ So 70AD is a non event prophetically.

So in context the time concerns the question posed by the Disciples, as concerning the signs of the SECOND COMING and END OF THE WORLD.
Of course we have studied the fact that no HEAVENLY SIGN would be given to that generation standing in front of Jesus.

So that means the second coming which is the greatest sign of all, did not and could not have occurred during that same generation 70AD.
So in that clear context of ‘the time of the end’ at the SECOND COMING at trumpet seven where the mystery of God, is to be understood we can set the time YET TO OCCUR.
I will cut to the chase by getting to key verses but please read all of Matt 24: In your own time.
Matthew 24: 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Here we have A HEAVENLY SIGNS NOT shown to that generation where’ NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN
Matthew 24: 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28.For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
All yet to occur.

 

[Parousia]

The second part of my first answer.
Parusia asks a ‘futurist,’ for want of a better name, to explain these following chapter and verses.
1 Peter 4: 7. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Did Peter know how close the end was? No he did not, here is why he didn’t know. Mark 13: 33. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Peter thought Jesus, was to return within his lifetime as has every generation hoped and prayed for and there is nothing wrong in that.
But Jesus made it clear that no sign would be given to that generation, except ONE.
Mat 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, BUT THE SIGN of the PROPHET JONAS:
There was no heavenly sign for that generation.
Certainly not the greatest heavenly sign of the second coming!
The resurrection was accomplished after three days and three nights and like Jonas, Jesus was risen up after the same period.

Parousia asked about Matthew 26: 64 to be explained

Of course some of the wicked were told in Matt 26: 64, that they would see Jesus at the right hand of God.
Let’s look at this verse first and see WHEN some of the wicked of that generation would see Him at the side of the Ancient Of Days.
Rev 1: 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and THEY THAT PIERCED HIM: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
There we go Rev 1: 7, where the same was said to the Roman soldiers, that they would see Him coming in the clouds. They were of the same generation at that time where no sign would be given them.
The only ‘heavenly sign’ would have to be after that generation no longer existed, at the second coming as He sat at the right hand of God.

Mark 14; 62. And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and COMING IN THE CLOUDS of heaven.

Now let’s read . Matthew 26: 64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
That is yet to happen because no Heavenly sign was given to the generation standing before the Christ.
Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
This the heavenly sign.
Matt 16: 27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt 16: 28. Verily I say unto you, There be SOME standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Did Elijah see death? No, not yet that is, but he will.
Did Enoch taste death? No, he did not.
Did Moses taste death? Yes.
Is Moses dead? No. But he will face death again.
Were some of the Saints, raised at the resurrection of Christ? Yes.
Will some standing there in front of the Christ see death? No they will not because Jesus, said so.
I have no problem with that at all, after all Jesus, is called The ‘Resurrection.’ So He can raise the dead, change the living and keep alive those whom He chooses.

Ah, Parousia, asks about the ‘Abomination of desolation.’
Firstly knowing that no sign would be given to that generation standing in front of Jesus.
Reminder. Matt 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mark 8: 10. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him. 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN be given UNTO THIS GENERATION.
During Matthew 24: we have a question in verse three that sets the intent of the time concerned.

Capitals used for emphasis only.

We first have the scenario SET as follows within a question, and we need to look at it in detail.

Matthew 24: 1. “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to for to shew him the buildings of the temple.”

They were proud of those buildings, and there was a response from Jesus.

Matthew 24: 2. “And Jesus said unto them, See ye not ALL THESE THINGS? verily I say unto you, THERE SHALL NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.”

That prophetic and indispensable statement, about the stones, by Jesus, activated a quick response from the Disciples, they asked this of the Lord.

Matthew 24: 3. “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE? AND WHAT THE SIGN OF THY COMING, AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD?”
So we now have the questions.
1. “TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE?”
2. “AND WHAT THE SIGN OF THY COMING,”
3. “AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD?”

Three question in response from the Lord’s statement that quote,
“THERE SHALL NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.”

Far too many make assumptions by rushing to a premature 70AD conclusion of an event and applying it to Matt 24:
Those conclusions are based on mere similarities and or on very few events in Matthew 24: and they ignore other clear statements made by Jesus, about the stones.
Another example is the suffering of the Saints, or of the church of Smyrna, at the hands of the Roman army as somehow being THE tribulation!
Yet they ignore other unfulfilled requirements intrinsic to within Matt 24 and of verse 2.
These prophetic details are essential to within the prophecy visions and its fulfilment to demonstrate truth in full.
If it isn’t a completion in every detail then it isn’t a fulfilment.
The stones in the original ‘wailing wall’ are still standing all on top of each other.
Titus, left that Wailing wall standing in 70AD as a strategic vantage point, therefore he did not fit the LORD’S PROPHETIC DESCRIPTION of it being part of quote ‘these things’ as not being left ‘not one stone upon another.’ So 70AD is a non event prophetically.

So in context the time concerns the question posed by the Disciples, as concerning the signs of the SECOND COMING and END OF THE WORLD.
Of course we have studied the fact that no HEAVENLY SIGN would be given to that generation standing in front of Jesus.

So that means the second coming which is the greatest sign of all, did not and could not have occurred during that same generation 70AD.
So in that clear context of ‘the time of the end’ at the SECOND COMING at trumpet seven where the mystery of God, is to be understood we can set the time YET TO OCCUR.
I will cut to the chase by getting to key verses but please read all of Matt 24: In your own time.
Matthew 24: 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Here we have A HEAVENLY SIGNS NOT shown to that generation where’ NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN
Matthew 24: 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28.For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
All yet to occur.

ONE post OUT OF CONTEXT to build a CHURCH upon? That's nonsense. Do you, then, belong the CHURCH of dispensationalism?
If you truly believe that preterism is based upon one verse, YOU do NOT understand the teachings of preterism. Furthermore, there is NO preterist church!

THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place!
I am coming QUICKLY.
The end of ALL things is AT HAND.
The coming of the Lord is NEAR.
YOU will be killed.
When YOU see the abomination of desolation.
YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
YOU (CAIAPHAS) will see the Son of Man . . . COMING on the clouds of heaven.
Some of THOSE standing HERE will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom.
The things which much take place SHORTLY
The time is NEAR.
In THESE LAST DAYS

What don't you understand about plain language? You twist the meaning of these simple words because they don't fit YOUR understanding of Scripture rather than taking the words at their plain fundamental meaning and getting your understanding from that.

Will you deal reasonably, intelligently, and openly with the time frame words of Scripture?

Can we stop posting back and forth the preconceived teachings of men and look at the Word of God in its CONTEXT, with proper audience relevancy and a willingness to let plain, simple words say what they say?

Parousia

 

[armothe]

Thayer’s Greek English Lexicon of the NT: genea "The whole multitude of men living at the same time"

If the authors wanted to portray the word generation with a more ethnic flavor they could have used the word: genos

Galatians 1:14, "and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen(genos)." Acts 7:19, 17:28; Philemon 3:5; 1 Peter 2:9

David Chilton: "Some have sought to get around the force of this text by saying that the word generation here really means race, and that Jesus was simply saying that the Jewish race would not die out until all these things took place. Is that true? I challenge you: Get out your concordance and look up every New Testament occurrence of the word generation and see if it ever means race in any other context"

Matthew 1:17; 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; 24:34;
Mark 8:12, 38; 9:19; 13:30;
Luke 1:48, 50; 7:31; 9:41; 11:29, 30, 31, 32, 50, 51; 18:8; 17:25, 21:32

Not one of these references is speaking of the entire Jewish race over thousands of years; all use the word in its normal sense of the sum total of those living at the same time.

 

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Parousia. Quote
"This generation" is NOT the generation of evil men. THAT is a presupposition.” Unquote.

No assumption at all however it is you that is wrong as explained earlier which you have not grasped in any way shape or form. Jesus, spoke of those Prophets that were killed over many a generation, past and to come, which included those that were murdered by those in front of HIM. Also the Pharisees spoke of their murderous fathers another generation of evil doers. preterists need to study and put their indoctrinated preterist ideas aside.
Luke 11: 50. That the blood OF ALL THE PROPHETS, which was SHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, may be required of THIS GENERATION;
Was that generation, that Jesus spoke to around when all the prophets were killed in the past generations? Of course not.
So We must see that Jesus, was speaking of the generation of evil mortal men throughout history and including the future where we see in Rev 11: that the two witnesses are to be killed in Jerusalem, and RAISED at trumpet SEVEN, which is at the second coming.

Luke 11: 51. From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
It is when Jesus, takes back the kingdom of Earth, that the generation of mortal men will be held to account at trumpet SEVEN at the second coming.

Parousia, quote.
“Preterists are NOT the ones reading into the Scriptures. Jesus clearly said, "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place.” Unquote.

No, you are reading into that from your preconceived ideas.
Now let me print it for you so that there is no misunderstanding from the words of Jesus Himself. Which you have missed completely.
Matt 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous GENERATION seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Matt 16: 4. A wicked and adulterous GENERATION seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Mark 8: 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth THIS GENERATION SEEK A SIGN? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN THIS GENERATION. 13And he left them, and entering into the ship again departed to the other side.

Luke 11: 29. And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, THIS IS AN EVIL GENERATION: they seek a sign; and there SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN IT, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Well Jesus, does not agree with you. So you can make personal statements as much as you like but the facts are there, from the Lord’s own words.
How many times do you have to read something before the penny drops?

Parousia, quote.
”Again, ALL uses of that expression in the NT refer to those contemporaneous to the speaker or writer. It is forcing a foreign meaning to this expression by saying that it refers to all evil men! That is obviously NOT the normal, common, everyday, usual usage of the expression.” Unquote.

Again you make remarks with no biblical backup.
This is where that evil generation mentions their forefathers so the intent is of all the generation of evil men as explained earlier and I will again,
for your edification

In the next statement Jesus, makes it clear that He speaks inclusively of the generation of EVIL SCRIBEB AND PHARISEES from their forefathers down to that generation standing in front of Him, they knew and confirmed that fact by speaking of the deeds of their forefathers generation in Matthew 23:29. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
The clear inclusive generational intent of the conversation is made obvious in the following verse, eccept to any preterist, who do not understand for they are not wise.
30. And say, If we had been IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS, we would NOT HAVE been partakers with them IN THE BLOOD OF THE PROPHETS.”
Here we have a statement that refers to many a generation because Jerusalem persecuted many Prophets, over many a generation including those standing in front of Jesus. Who mentioned their forefathers in that above discussion and so did Jesus.
Matt 23: 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Another problem with the preterist theory is the following.
How would Jesus, be able to pin point His return within that Generation exclusively or within any other, other than meaning at the end of the generation of mortal man, where they will be held accountable. When our Lord admits that He did not know the time of His second advent in Mark 13: 32. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Parousia, quote.
“Futurists would NOT stumble over this except for this problem: taking it literally (something they pride themselves on) argues AGAINST their eschatology!” Unquote.

I do not stumble over anything but you do by ignoring what the Bible says!

Parousia, quote.
”Furthermore, just because Jesus said He did not know the DAY nor the HOUR does NOT mean He did not know the TIME frame! He "came" in AD 70--the day and the exact hour was not known until then. WE were not told to watch--Jesus' disciples there with Him THEN were told to watch. THEY were told to understand the parable of the fig tree--THEY were to know that His coming was near--even at the doors! Unquote.

No. You are flat busted wrong and Jesus confirms that by his own words.
This is what Jesus, said which you deny in front of everyone now let me repeat His words for your edification.
You say quote "He came" in AD 70”
That generation asked Jesus for a ‘heavenly sign and Jesus said that he would not give that generation a sign. Yet you say He did.
Let me use capitals to show our peers how out of touch preterists are with the Lord’s word.
Mark 8: 11. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, SEEKIN OF HIM A SIGN FROM HEAVEN, tempting him.
12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, WHY DOTH THIS GERATION SEEK AFTER A SIGN? verily I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN TO THIS GENERATION.
Yet you say there was a sign in 70AD when there was supposedly a second coming? Are you serious do you expect your Peers to believe that nonsense?
Matthew 12: 38. Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE. 39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and THERE SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN TO IT, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
NO HEAVENLY SIGN was given to that generation so renounce the nonsense about 70AD being any sort of sign.
They asked for a heavenly sign and Jesus, said ‘no sign would be given to that generation,’ yet preterists disagree with the Lord, on this and it is patently obvious to any reasonable Bible student where you get your information.
The book of preterist indoctrination.

 

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Parousia, quote.
“Jesus said that those apostate, first-century, wicked, hypocritical, Jews of His day were to be judged and held accountable for ALL the righteous blood shed on the earth.” Unquote.

Not exclusively.
You say that because you insist that there was a sign of the second coming in 70AD when Jesus said the opposite in that there would not be a sign eccept one of Jonas to that generation so He did not return at 70AD. It was Titus and the Roman army.
The righteous blood of Abel was shed long before that particular generation standing before Jesus, were even borne yet Jesus included their forefathers in that conversation along with the Pharisees and Scribes from an earlier part of that generation of vipers.

Matthew 23: 30. And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31. Wherefore YE BE WITNESSES UNTO YOURSELVES, that YE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THEM WHICH KILLED THE PROPHETS.

They are of the same evil seed of men and they do the same thing as their forefathers. So we have a generational intent from past generations and those present confirm a generational theme along with Jesus and includes those to come that is why Jerusalem/Israel will be Judged as those that kill the Prophets. See Matt 23: 37.
Matthew 23: 35. “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous ABEL UNTO THE BLOOD OF Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
We, knowing that they were responsible for the death of Jesus and the Prophets and Apostles, we know that they will be held accountable as will their forefathers.

36Verily I say unto you, All THESE THINGS SHALL COME UPON THIS GENERATION.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the PROPHETS, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matthew 23: 32. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34. Wherefore, behold, I SEND YOU PROPHETS, and WISE MEN, and SCRIBES: and some of them YE SHALL KILL and CRUCIFY; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35. THAT UPON YOU MAY COME all the RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON THE EARTH, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38.Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
The whole of Israel/Jerusalem all generations from pre-Israel Cain, and another evil man Herod the killer of John the Baptist will be judged, not just one generation but this generation of evil doers of Satan’s seed.

Parousia, quote. “He was NOT speaking to a generation which included all evil men but to THOSE particular disobedient, adulterous, unbelieving
Jews of His day! Unquote.

Jesus referred to Cain, Cain was evil and he was mentioned by Jesus in that conversation and also those accused mentioned their forefathers and you say Jesus did not mention others when He spoke of the Prophets to come in the future.
He was speaking of THIS GENERATION in a generational inclusive term. He even mentions Abel, who was a victim of Cain in an earlier part of that generation. He spoke of an evil generation even mentions their fathers in an inclusive sense. They were mentioned by the Jews themselves to whom Jesus, was speaking and they understood that simple fact.
The Generation of evil men from Cain’s time to the time of those to whom Jesus was speaking and to future Prophets.

Parousia, quote.
“He said to THEM--"ALL these things will come upon THIS generation." He said it--NOT preterists. Unquote.

Well preterists say that because they force read it and make 70AD a Heavenly sign when no sign would be given to that generation, as far as Jesus was concerned. You are flat busted wrong, put your pride in having to be right all the time and retract the 70AD sign/second advent nonsense.

Parousia, quote “And yet futurists accuse them of not understanding plain language. This is clearly a fulfillment of Daniel 9. This is clearly the filling up of the measure of their guilt predicted by Daniel. "Assuredly, I say to you, ALL these things will come upon THIS generation." Unquote.

Well preterists don’t want to here the plain words of Jesus.
Because they say that there was a second coming in 70AD.
That event is linked to a heavenly signs of HIS advent, when Jesus, said there would be ‘NO SIGN will be GIVEN to this generation’ and Jesus, was right and the preterists are wrong.
Yes upon this generation which are a part of the generation of evil men, from Abel to the two witnesses in Rev 11.

Rev 11:. These two Prophets will be killed in Jerusalem in the midst of the last week that is the middle of the seventieth last week until trumpet seven is blown but you would not comprehend that.

But a fulfilment of Daniel nine, as you suggest is totally wrong and nothing more than an adaptation, nothing more than a construct.

The following did not occur so Dan 9 is not a consideration.
They were to Finish the transgression. Unfulfilled!
Make an end of sins. Unfulfilled!
Make reconciliation for iniquity. Unfulfilled!
Bring in everlasting righteousness. Unfulfilled!
Seal up the vision and prophecy. Fulfilled!
Let’s have a real close look at Daniel 9: 25.
Dan 9: 25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times

The commandment from Cyrus IS NOT THE SAME as the prophecy in Daniel 9: 25.
Hebrew word for week - shabuwa

1. seven, a period of seven, heptad, week
a. a period of seven days, a week.

1. feast of weeks
b. heptad, seven

Did ‘transgression end at the cross?
No.
Did sin end?
No.
Was everlasting righteousness brought in at the time of the cross?
No.
Was Jesus, found worthy and anointed king of this Earthly kingdom?
No not yet.
Dan 9: 24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, TO FINISH TRANSGRESSION and to make an END OF SINS, and to make RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUIITY, and to BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to RESTORE AND REBUILD JERUSALEM unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Note the words ‘RESTORE AND REBUILD JERUSALEM’ Daniel’s above last verse.
Now look at the decree from Cyrus that Artaxerxes signed which is nothing to do with the decree mentioned in Daniel 9: 25.

Note the words used in the following Cyrus decree are DIFFERENT.
Ezra 5: 13. But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree TO BUILD THIS HOUSE OF GOD.

Daniel’s words ‘RESTORE AND REBUILD JERUSALEM’
The words of Cyrus ‘TO BUILD THIS HOUSE OF GOD.’

Two different meanings, two unrelated subjects and TIMES. Two different contracts.
This is but another reason I reject preterist theories as utter nonsense!

Parousia, quote.
Why do futurists insist of accusing preterists of the things for which they themselves are guilty? Unquote.

If you had read properly the many preterist discrepancies and inconsistencies by reading what Jesus actually said then even you would have to disagree with yourselves.
That is if a preterist can actually do that but they are indoctrinated and unwise.
Besides this is the Eschatological site not an historic site, so go away!

Parousia, quote.
Jesus told His disciples there with Him--"You will be killed." Why do futurists then say that it refers to US? Unquote.


Yes most of the Disciples were killed and at ‘the time of the end’ or ‘the last end’ the following will occur. Rev 12; 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Now see Rev 13: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
See Daniel 12: 12.

 

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Parousia, quote.
“Jesus told His disciples standing right there in front of Him--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet.”
Unquote.

And the Disciples, wrote it down to warn us. When we read Matt 24 where the abomination of desolation is contained within verse 15 of that chapter’s, context points into the future, which if you had read the study earlier you would have understood that fact that it is concerned with the second coming and because Jesus said no sign would be give to ‘this generation’ it did not occur neither the warning sign of the abomination of desolation associated with it but preterists are surface readers and would rather listen to themselves rather than the word of God.

Parousia, quote.
. . ." How many abominations of desolation did Daniel see? Jesus' disciples right there with Him THEN were to see the abomination of desolation and they DID! What don't futurists understand about simple words? Unquote.

Nonsense that is another application by wishful thinking. Preterists ignore all the many other associated prophetic statements which render their theories as an application based on sophistry and therefore fallacious.

That is sad, for they do not understand and are unwise.
The only abomination of desolation in verse 15 is a part of ‘the time of the end’ also called’ the last end’ told to Daniel by Gabriel, where we then shall see a heavenly sign. Matt 24: 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Now preterists like to talk about ‘plain words’ and yet preterists say the above occurred in 70AD when that generation at that time of the Christ WAS TOLD BY JESUS that they would get NO SIGN and the abomination of desolation IS A SIGN! They DID NOT GET THAT SIGN EITHER!
Mathew 16: 4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and THERE SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO IT, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

There was only one sign given to that generation, the sign of Jonas demonstrated clearly by Jesus? YES THERE WAS ONLY ONE.
Was there no ‘HEAVENLY SIGN’ given to that wicked generation as Jesus said? Yes according to scripture there was NO SIGN so you must retract that preconceived 70AD notion.
However the preterist will not listen and blissfully drift around denying the words of the Christ until they get burned for it.
Here’s a reminder a repeated dose of truth that will slide off a preterist, like water off a duck’s back.

Matthew 12: 38. Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee
Matthew 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION seeketh after a sign; and THERE SHALL NO SIGNBE GIVEN TO IT, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Also repeated in Mark 8: 12. and Luke 11: 29.
Now Futurists say there was given a sign to that generation in 70AD which stands against the words of Jesus in fact they deny ‘THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!’ So we know that the remnant have the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments and will lead many to salvation but sadly not the preterist.

Parousia, quote.
“It is because the plain words do not fit futurism that a simple expression such as "this generation" is forced to mean the generation of evil men. Where is the biblical justification for that?” Unquote.

No forced reading is made at all. Abel was killed by his evil brother Cain long before any Pharisee or Scribe existed and even before the Israelites were around. Cain, just like the generation before the Christ was of an evil generation of mortal men and those of that group will be judged during the millennium.
Do you think that Jesus is limited to one generation of evil doers?
Exodus 20: 5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH generation OF THEM THAT HATE ME;

Parousia, quote.
“Again, I emphasize the demonstrative pronoun THIS. Jesus said THIS clearly referring to the generation in which He then lived; the generation to whom He was then speaking about things that were to happen to those of that generation!” Unquote.

Jesus spoke of Abel down to Zacharias and of the future Prophets and how they were killed by the forefathers of ‘THIS generation’ of mortal men standing in front of Him in their sinful state.
He referred to different Prophets at different times which were around long before those standing in front of him and like the past generation and at His time THIS generation and future evil men at a much later time would be part of THIS generation that will be judged.
Or are you saying Cain and all the other evil doers will get away with killing the innocent and Prophets? Well it seems that you are. if only one section of that evil generation is to pay as you seem to suggest.

Try this verse.
Exodus 34: 7. Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH generation
God speaks in inclusive generational terms as I said.

Deut 23: 2. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; EVEN TO HIS TENTH GENERATION SHALL NOT ENTER into the congregation of the LORD.
Deut 32: 4. They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

There is the generation of the righteous.
Psalms 14: 5. There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

There is another place in the Bible that speaks of the GENERATION OF THE CHRIST and names MANY OF THEM.
Matthew 1: The book OF THE GENERATION of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2.Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3. And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4. And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
That was just a little of THE GENERATION of Jesus which was many a GENERATION.

Parousia, quote.
“What is the crime preterists commit by taking Jesus at His word? We are not the ones twisting the Scriptures to our own end.” Unquote.

But you are not being criticised for taking God, at His word at all!
You think you are taking HIM at His word but you are ignoring His word, when it suits you and you make statements without a deep understanding of scripture like preterists, tend to do.
OK lets see if you are telling the truth about preterists ‘taking Jesus at His word.’
Yes I know my Peers, I’m hoping the penny will drop sooner than later.
You say that in ‘70AD he returned’ unquote and I say, that, that is the greatest heavenly sign of all.
But Jesus said ‘NO SIGN would be given’ and the second advent is the greatest sign of all.
So Preterists must be saying there WAS A SIGN GIVEN TO THAT GENERATION because they claim His second coming was in 70AD. You fly in the face of the words of Jesus. By the way it was the Roman army not God’s and it was Titus not Jesus leading them in 70AD historical fact.
Preterists do so much damage, they are like wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Jesus said Mark 8: 11. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him A SIGN FROM HEAVEN, tempting him. 12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth THIS GENERATION seek after a SIGN? verily I say unto you, There shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN unto this generation.

Parousia, quote.
”What did Jesus say? "YOU will be hated." "YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars." "See that YOU are not troubled." Unquote.

Yes we will be hated maybe by preterists, before He comes in the clouds to redeem us

Parousia, quote
“Jesus said to Caiaphas right there with Him--"YOU will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and COMING on the clouds of heaven." Who? Caiaphas--the chief priest of Jesus' day! Unquote.
Jesus said: "Some of YOU standing HERE will not taste death till YOU see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Who would see Him before THEY died?
Some of THOSE standing right there with Him THE! What is the crime preterists commit by taking Jesus AT HIS WORD?” Unquote.

So what is that supposed to prove?
Jesus, said to those that pierced Him would see Him in glory there is no problem and so will Caiaphas along with them. What is your point?
Rev 1: 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also WHICH PIERECD HIM: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
The Lord is The Resurrection and if He chooses not to let some taste death, that is The Lord’s choice.

 

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And yes that generation was standing there and many others were mentioned from other generations that were included in that conversation.

What group do you think the soldiers that pierced Him and Caiaphas will fit in this next verse?
Dan 12: 2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Parousia, quote
Do futurists not see that it is not the plain words of Jesus that cause them difficulty but their incorrect concept of His coming! Because THEY cannot see His coming in the sense in which they understand it, they redefine simple words in order to make things FIT! Unquote.

I don’t know what ‘Futurists think’ Why should I? However I know what Preterists don’t understand and that is a lot of scripture and they don’t even realise it!
Preterists do not listen to Jesus and when they are confronted by scriptural evidence, go into denial.
So just be concerned with your own failings then you may grow in understanding.
Parousia, Quote.
“THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL THESE THINGS take place." Why do we not put our energy into attempting to discover the fulfillment of these things in the generation in which Jesus clearly placed them instead of clinging to a false concept and thereby being forced to do injustice to the sacred words of our Lord?” Unquote.

No sign of His advent was given to that generation, so Jesus when He spoke of fulfilment could and did not mean within that generation because no sign of His advent would be seen by that generation.
The generation of evil doers will end at the seventh trumpet where we are to be made immortal and that is yet to occur.
Preterists claim something that Jesus said would not happen.
When Titus, leading his Roman army over into Jerusalem, to slit their throats, did the people say the following? : Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.? No because it was not Jesus returning in 70AD.

Matt 23: 39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
We are still waiting!

 

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Parousia quote
ONE post OUT OF CONTEXT to build a CHURCH upon? That's nonsense. Do you, then, belong the CHURCH of dispensationalism?
If you truly believe that preterism is based upon one verse, YOU do NOT understand the teachings of preterism. Furthermore, there is NO preterist church!” Unquote.

You firstly ignore Jesus, when HE said no sign and your church/people, say there was a sign and you built a church on that historic error of confusing Titus for Jesus and the Roman army for God’s army. That is about the biggest exaggerated construct I have ever had the misfortune to come across!
Also I don’t belong to a church so you got that wrong, apart from many other things that the Lord said.
Also I did not say ‘preterism was based on one verse’ I said they made a church from one verse.
Let me correct you and be candid and say that preterism is based on many misunderstood verses that are incorrectly applied from which they make assumptions and constructs.

Parousia quote.
”THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place! Unquote.

If Jesus meant as you suggest above, then a sign was given to those that He said would not receive any eccept the sign of Jonas there you create a contradiction.
Jesus meant what He said in the following statements in Mark 8: 11, 12, 13.where no sign would be given. If you say there was a sign you create an oxymoron.
If however He meant the generation of evil men then there is no contradiction at all because we are all evil and are still waiting.
Jesus can’t say no sign then give them a sign of His second coming because Jesus does not contradict himself.
Mark 8: 11. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him A SIGN FROM HEAVEN, tempting him.
12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth THIS GENERATION SEEK AFTER A SIGN? verily I say unto you,
THERE SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO THIS GENERATION. 13And he left them, and entering into the ship again departed to the other side.
That means no sign which means His second coming did not occur during their lifetimes. It was Titus and the Roman army that attacked Jerusalem. So live with it and get used to it!

Parousia, repeated quotes.
“is NEAR.”
“YOU will be killed.”
“When YOU see the abomination of desolation.”
“YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars.”
“YOU (CAIAPHAS) will see the Son of Man . . . COMING on the clouds of heaven.”
“ I am coming QUICKLY.”
“The end of ALL things is AT HAND.”
“The coming of the Lord”
Some of THOSE standing HERE will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom.
The things which much take place SHORTLY
The time is NEAR.
In THESE LAST DAYS

What don't you understand about plain language? You twist the meaning of these simple words because they don't fit YOUR understanding of Scripture rather than taking the words at their plain fundamental meaning and getting your understanding from that. Unqoute.

I have explained to you about the fact that your statements make a contradiction of the Lord’s words He said NO SIGN and you say ‘there was a sign’ because you erroneously claim ‘he came back in 70AD’ without biblical evidence.
Stop treating Josephus Flavius, as a Disciple.

Parousia, quote.
“Will you deal reasonably, intelligently, and openly with the time frame words of Scripture? Unquote.

I have done so, but because I do not agree with your preterist notions and I use the Bible, to show that preterists make a contradiction of God’s words to a certain generation, that they would not receive a sign.
Where preterists say they do receive a sign no greater than the second coming, makes me support Jesus’ word rather than preterists.
After spending countless hours studying and answering preterists questions and backing up with stacks of Bible verses and some I have had to repeat because preterists ignore them, you use words like am I prepared to quote, “deal reasonably, intelligently, and openly.”
Which is a slur that I may have been dealing with preterists unreasonably unintelligently and secretively.
Which I reject because as a preterist you still ignore the problem of the words of Jesus, that contradict yours “that no sign would be given to that generation.”
Yet preterists insist there were signs.
I therefore vote JESUS, AMEN!

All preterists do is ignore the biblical contradictions they create for themselves and suggest when I use the Bible, to place hard questions at them they get annoyed.
However they think they are right even when biblical evidence shows then unfit to teach.

Parousia, quote
Can we stop posting back and forth the preconceived teachings of men and look at the Word of God in its CONTEXT, with proper audience relevancy and a willingness to let plain, simple words say what they say?” Unquote.



What I agree to, is to do away with ‘preconceived notions’ of preterists and continue to use the ‘Word of God in its CONTEXT, with proper audience relevancy and a willingness to let plain, simple words say what they say’ as I have been doing thus far.

Regarding the time of His return.
Be patient Parousia.
All your questions are answered by Peter.
2 Peter 3: 7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED UNTO FIRE against THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT and PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
perdition
2 Peter 3: 8. BUT, BELOVED, BE NOT IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, THAT ONE DAY is WITH THE LORD AS A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.

Be patient Parousia it is around two thousand years. We are warned of the longevity of this, in the above last verse.
I ask why so long and the answer is found in the next verse which deals with His second coming, which is the subject matter containing the reward..

2 Peter 3: 9. THE LORD IS NOT SLACK CONCERNING HIS PROMISE, AS SOME MEN COUNT SLACKNESS; but is LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING that any should PERISH, but that ALL should come to REPENTANCE.

No one need panic.
His day will come and we will be raised from this mortal generation to immortal IN His covering of righteousness.
The day of the Lord will come unexpectedly just like a thief and some, sadly will be unready.
He delays to give all the time they need.

2 Peter 3: 10. But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; IN THE WHICH THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a GREAT NOISE, and THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with FERVENT HEAT, the EARTH ALSO and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.

So why did the Disciples, say the things you quoted Parousia, about hastening His return with these words?

“ I am coming QUICKLY.”
“The end of ALL things is AT HAND.”
“The coming of the Lord”
“Some of THOSE standing HERE will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom.”
“The things which much take place SHORTLY”
“The time is NEAR.”
“In THESE LAST DAYS” Unquote.
The following gives the reasons why the Disciples did this and Peter, makes it clear in the following verses why it is Jesus, that is long suffering and delays His return and two thousand years later we are still pleading in prayer for His soon return.
But I will let Peter explain and show some of my thoughts on it.
2 Peter 3: 11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, WHAT MANNER of persons OUGHT YE TO BE in all holy conversation and godliness,

I believe that this is why Peter and the other Disciples were so keen to say SOON RETURN, it is the way of us all to be enthused, but people need time to convert over a long time. That is the only reason He delays.
So how should we behave about the day of the Lord?

2 Peter 3: 12. LOOKING FOR AND HASTING UNTO THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with FERVENT HEAT?

2 Peter 3: 13. Nevertheless we, according to his PROMISE, LOOK FOR NEW HEAVENS and A NEW EARTH, WHEREIN DWELLETH RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The above is what we all want an Earth, that righteousness dwells.

2 Peter 3: 14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, BE DILIGENT that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3: 15. AND ACCOUNT that THE LOGSUFFERING OF OUR LORD is SALVATION; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3: 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which they that are UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE WREST, as they do also THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

2 Peter 3: 17. YE THEREFORE, BELOVED, SEEING YE KNOW these things before, BEWARE lest ye also, being LED AWAY with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2 Peter 3: 18. But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. TO HIM be GLORY BOTH NOW AND FOR EVER. AMEN.

 

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Impressive bit of scenery-chewing there. But one question. Has sacrifice and oblation ceased or not?

Hi there Jipsah.

I think you maybe speaking of Daniel 9: I am not sure.

In the original Aramaic script the word sacrifice was not included
in Daniel 9: 11 – 13.
Daniel did not use the word sacrifice in these following verses.
The word Sacrifice was written in italics to demonstrate that fact and was added by the translators of the King James Version and most subsequent Bibles followed along.

So when people talk about the Sacrifice they are talking about something that Daniel did not use or mean in these particular verses and when we get back to the original text the whole emphasis is different.
These verses are about ‘the place of the daily.’
Let me get rid of the translator’s added word sacrifice and get to what Daniel actually said and pull other verse together but I will limit that to keep it shorter.
The Temple had an area called the place of the Daily which was within the outer court where sacrifices took place.

The little horn magnifies himself and takes away the place of the Daily.
Daniel 9: 11. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the DAILY WAS TAKEN AWAY, and THE PLACE OF HIS SANCTUARY was CAST DOWN.

12. And an HOST was given him AGAINST THE DAILY by reason of TRANSGRETION, and it cast down the TRUTH to the ground; and it practised, and PROSPERED.

13. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning THE DAILY, and THE TRANSGRETION of DESOLATION, to give BOTH the SANCNTUARY and the host to be trodden under foot?

14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED.
The place of the Daily is polluted but at the end of the 2300 ereb/evening boqer/morning it will be cleansed.

The word ‘ereb’/evening and ‘boqer’/morning, are also used in Geneses 1: 5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the ereb/evening and the boqer/morning were the first day.
These two words are used throughout creation week
So from creation week where those words are used as meaning days we can see that the 2300 ereb boqer means 2300 days and certainly not years.
Which works out to be 6 and a bit years concerning the time span of the vision within which the 1290 days of Dan 12: 11 and the 1335 days of Dan 12: 12 must fit.

There is a lot more within Daniel chapter 7 and 8: but I’m trying to keep it short within your question.

Let me pull this together.
If you look at Rev 11: We have the two witnesses that are easily identified, but it is the place of the daily, the outer court that is is of interest to me.

Rev 11: And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2. But THE COURT WHICH IS WITHOUT THE TEMPLE LEAVE OUT, and measure it not; for IT IS GIVEN unto the GENTILES: and the HOLY CITY shall they tread under foot FORTY and TWO MONTHS.

Within the place of the Daily, there were morning and evening sacrifices to the glory of HIS name, praising God, every morning and evening without fail.

This type of offering was not a sin offering.
So it does not offend or deny or weaken the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.

By the way there is more to this.

The seventy weeks of Daniel 9: 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: AND IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the SACRIFICE and the OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the OVERSPREADING OF THE ABOMINATION he shall make it DESOLATE, even UNTIL THE CONSUMATION, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In Rev 11: 2, the place of the daily which is within the OUTER COURT is given over to the Gentiles for FORTY TWO MONTHS.

Now if we look to Rev 11: we can see in verse 3, that the two witnesses are given 1260 days to witness.

To me this is important becaus of the TIME periods concerned with these events.

Note that they are killed in verse 7 by the beast/Satan.
Now look at the timing in verse 8 – 9. They lay dead for 3 ½ days in Jerusalem.

Then we have the resurrection in verse 11 it says AFTER 3 ½ days.

In verse 12, they here the voice of God calling them.
And the seventh trumpet is the voice of God, at the resurrection in verse 15.

Rev 11: 15. And the SEVENTH ANGEL sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and HE SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.

Well Jipsah, have you worked out the Timing yet?

The two witnesses are killed in the middle of the SAME last week OF THE SEVENTIETH WEEK OF Dan 9: 27, because after 3 ½ days, trumpet seven the voice of God ushers in His kingdom.
We have the end of the seventy weeks within Daniel 9: 27. But look at what it says quote. “AND IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the SACRIFICE and the OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the OVERSPREADING OF THE ABOMINATION.

So in the middle of the last week we have a stop to the sacrifice in Dan 9: 27.
And in the middle of that same last week we have the two witnesses murdered by Satan and 3 ½ days later resurrection time in Rev 15.
This is where Satan kills and the two witnesses

But why two witnesses?

Deuteronomy 17: 6. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
I will finish by saying this. I have biblical proof that the LITTLE HORN is Satan.
It is Satan, that wants to sit on Mount Zion and be like God, Jesus said that he would appear as an angel of light.
But look at this if you want to see the culprit and note where he wants to sit.

Isaiah. 14: 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION. IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH:

14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan falls from an angel to the status of a man.

16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is THIS THE MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17. That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18. All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

The sacrifice of the Passover Lamb was finished by the Lamb of God, at the cross.

However the glory to His name, known as the evening and morning offerings are simply that, offerings to the glory of God, which Satan dislikes because he wants to be recognised as God so what will he stop?

What I find Jipsah, is that people name the 'beast with the mortal wound' as Rome or something other than what he is, yet they do not realise that he is in fact a fallen angel and he only has 42 months of power given him by Satan, before the seventh trumpet is blown.
But that’s another study.
I have left a lot out of Daniel 7: and 8: which brings it all together where the pages of Daniel within those chapters are slowly turning now and the events of today are so prophetically and startlingly obvious, It is getting frighteningly close to the start of the 2300 ereb boqer.
But I had to keep it short mainly concerning the sacrifice.
I hope this has been of some help to you.
If you have any questions, or want more detail then please ask.

 

[Edial]

Thayer’s Greek English Lexicon of the NT: genea "The whole multitude of men living at the same time"

If the authors wanted to portray the word generation with a more ethnic flavor they could have used the word: genos

Galatians 1:14, "and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen(genos)." Acts 7:19, 17:28; Philemon 3:5; 1 Peter 2:9

David Chilton: "Some have sought to get around the force of this text by saying that the word generation here really means race, and that Jesus was simply saying that the Jewish race would not die out until all these things took place. Is that true? I challenge you: Get out your concordance and look up every New Testament occurrence of the word generation and see if it ever means race in any other context"

Matthew 1:17; 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; 24:34;
Mark 8:12, 38; 9:19; 13:30;
Luke 1:48, 50; 7:31; 9:41; 11:29, 30, 31, 32, 50, 51; 18:8; 17:25, 21:32

Not one of these references is speaking of the entire Jewish race over thousands of years; all use the word in its normal sense of the sum total of those living at the same time.

I do not know who David Chilton is, but he appears to have missed a verse ...

LK 16:8 "The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light.

Here, "kind" is genea.

And in this case it is clearly referred to the people of this world as compared to people of darkness. General descriptions.

And in Matthew chapters 23 and 24 verses when Christ referred to the current Pharisees as "you", he also included their forefathers in that "you".

I guess I am not grasping how one could prove that "this generation" genea is talking excusively of the contemporaries of Christ.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Jipsah]

I hope this has been of some help to you.

I reckon it answered everything but the question. In the end I couldn't make out whether you reckon that sacrifice had ever stopped or not.

I'm of the opinion that sacrifice stopped a coiple of thousand years ago, at about the time they quit doing it. Most futurists seem to be of the opinion that it doesn't matter whether anyone is doing it or not, it hasn't really stopped until they say it has. That seems to be the position that you're defending.

My opinion doesn't require quite as much quite as much verbiage to explain. Daniel's prophecy said that sacrifice would cease. Sacrifice did in fact cease. Prophecy fulfilled. I think it has a certain elegance to it.

 

[Jadis40]

I believe a lot of the prophecies (like the abomination of desolation) and what not took place at 70 AD. But I also believe that Christ is yet to return and that God will fulfill His promises to Israel

This is the view I take as well, based on Jesus' words to his disciples in Matthew 24, concerning the Temple, and this was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed.

Also, I think it's important to keep in mind what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman in John 4:21


Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

One thing I'm a little wary of is pastors or evangelists on TV who seem to think that we're living in the "Last Days". Throughout history, there have been people in certain groups that thought the same thing. As the day predicted came and went, they were proven to be wrong. God doesn't work on man's timetables. Is there a possibility that the Second Coming of Christ COULD happen in our life times? The possibility is there, I will admit, but that doesn't mean it will. For all we know, it could happen 2,000 years from now.

 

[Parousia]

Parousia quote
ONE post OUT OF CONTEXT to build a CHURCH upon? That's nonsense. Do you, then, belong the CHURCH of dispensationalism?
If you truly believe that preterism is based upon one verse, YOU do NOT understand the teachings of preterism. Furthermore, there is NO preterist church!” Unquote.

You firstly ignore Jesus, when HE said no sign and your church/people, say there was a sign and you built a church on that historic error of confusing Titus for Jesus and the Roman army for God’s army. That is about the biggest exaggerated construct I have ever had the misfortune to come across!
Also I don’t belong to a church so you got that wrong, apart from many other things that the Lord said.
Also I did not say ‘preterism was based on one verse’ I said they made a church from one verse.
Let me correct you and be candid and say that preterism is based on many misunderstood verses that are incorrectly applied from which they make assumptions and constructs.

Parousia quote.
”THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place! Unquote.

If Jesus meant as you suggest above, then a sign was given to those that He said would not receive any eccept the sign of Jonas there you create a contradiction.
Jesus meant what He said in the following statements in Mark 8: 11, 12, 13.where no sign would be given. If you say there was a sign you create an oxymoron.
If however He meant the generation of evil men then there is no contradiction at all because we are all evil and are still waiting.
Jesus can’t say no sign then give them a sign of His second coming because Jesus does not contradict himself.
Mark 8: 11. And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him A SIGN FROM HEAVEN, tempting him.
12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth THIS GENERATION SEEK AFTER A SIGN? verily I say unto you,
THERE SHALL NO SIGN BE GIVEN UNTO THIS GENERATION. 13And he left them, and entering into the ship again departed to the other side.
That means no sign which means His second coming did not occur during their lifetimes. It was Titus and the Roman army that attacked Jerusalem. So live with it and get used to it!

Parousia, repeated quotes.
“is NEAR.”
“YOU will be killed.”
“When YOU see the abomination of desolation.”
“YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars.”
“YOU (CAIAPHAS) will see the Son of Man . . . COMING on the clouds of heaven.”
“ I am coming QUICKLY.”
“The end of ALL things is AT HAND.”
“The coming of the Lord”
Some of THOSE standing HERE will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom.
The things which much take place SHORTLY
The time is NEAR.
In THESE LAST DAYS

What don't you understand about plain language? You twist the meaning of these simple words because they don't fit YOUR understanding of Scripture rather than taking the words at their plain fundamental meaning and getting your understanding from that. Unqoute.

I have explained to you about the fact that your statements make a contradiction of the Lord’s words He said NO SIGN and you say ‘there was a sign’ because you erroneously claim ‘he came back in 70AD’ without biblical evidence.
Stop treating Josephus Flavius, as a Disciple.

Parousia, quote.
“Will you deal reasonably, intelligently, and openly with the time frame words of Scripture? Unquote.

I have done so, but because I do not agree with your preterist notions and I use the Bible, to show that preterists make a contradiction of God’s words to a certain generation, that they would not receive a sign.
Where preterists say they do receive a sign no greater than the second coming, makes me support Jesus’ word rather than preterists.
After spending countless hours studying and answering preterists questions and backing up with stacks of Bible verses and some I have had to repeat because preterists ignore them, you use words like am I prepared to quote, “deal reasonably, intelligently, and openly.”
Which is a slur that I may have been dealing with preterists unreasonably unintelligently and secretively.
Which I reject because as a preterist you still ignore the problem of the words of Jesus, that contradict yours “that no sign would be given to that generation.”
Yet preterists insist there were signs.
I therefore vote JESUS, AMEN!

All preterists do is ignore the biblical contradictions they create for themselves and suggest when I use the Bible, to place hard questions at them they get annoyed.
However they think they are right even when biblical evidence shows then unfit to teach.

Parousia, quote
Can we stop posting back and forth the preconceived teachings of men and look at the Word of God in its CONTEXT, with proper audience relevancy and a willingness to let plain, simple words say what they say?” Unquote.



What I agree to, is to do away with ‘preconceived notions’ of preterists and continue to use the ‘Word of God in its CONTEXT, with proper audience relevancy and a willingness to let plain, simple words say what they say’ as I have been doing thus far.

Regarding the time of His return.
Be patient Parousia.
All your questions are answered by Peter.
2 Peter 3: 7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED UNTO FIRE against THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT and PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
perdition
2 Peter 3: 8. BUT, BELOVED, BE NOT IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, THAT ONE DAY is WITH THE LORD AS A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.

Be patient Parousia it is around two thousand years. We are warned of the longevity of this, in the above last verse.
I ask why so long and the answer is found in the next verse which deals with His second coming, which is the subject matter containing the reward..

2 Peter 3: 9. THE LORD IS NOT SLACK CONCERNING HIS PROMISE, AS SOME MEN COUNT SLACKNESS; but is LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING that any should PERISH, but that ALL should come to REPENTANCE.

No one need panic.
His day will come and we will be raised from this mortal generation to immortal IN His covering of righteousness.
The day of the Lord will come unexpectedly just like a thief and some, sadly will be unready.
He delays to give all the time they need.

2 Peter 3: 10. But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; IN THE WHICH THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a GREAT NOISE, and THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with FERVENT HEAT, the EARTH ALSO and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.

So why did the Disciples, say the things you quoted Parousia, about hastening His return with these words?

“ I am coming QUICKLY.”
“The end of ALL things is AT HAND.”
“The coming of the Lord”
“Some of THOSE standing HERE will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom.”
“The things which much take place SHORTLY”
“The time is NEAR.”
“In THESE LAST DAYS” Unquote.
The following gives the reasons why the Disciples did this and Peter, makes it clear in the following verses why it is Jesus, that is long suffering and delays His return and two thousand years later we are still pleading in prayer for His soon return.
But I will let Peter explain and show some of my thoughts on it.
2 Peter 3: 11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, WHAT MANNER of persons OUGHT YE TO BE in all holy conversation and godliness,

I believe that this is why Peter and the other Disciples were so keen to say SOON RETURN, it is the way of us all to be enthused, but people need time to convert over a long time. That is the only reason He delays.
So how should we behave about the day of the Lord?

2 Peter 3: 12. LOOKING FOR AND HASTING UNTO THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with FERVENT HEAT?

2 Peter 3: 13. Nevertheless we, according to his PROMISE, LOOK FOR NEW HEAVENS and A NEW EARTH, WHEREIN DWELLETH RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The above is what we all want an Earth, that righteousness dwells.

2 Peter 3: 14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, BE DILIGENT that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3: 15. AND ACCOUNT that THE LOGSUFFERING OF OUR LORD is SALVATION; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3: 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which they that are UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE WREST, as they do also THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

2 Peter 3: 17. YE THEREFORE, BELOVED, SEEING YE KNOW these things before, BEWARE lest ye also, being LED AWAY with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2 Peter 3: 18. But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. TO HIM be GLORY BOTH NOW AND FOR EVER. AMEN.

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2 Peter 3:8

If futurists get tired of preterists using Matthew 24;34, Preterists get very tired of the misuse of 2 Peter 3:8. The emphasis of this verse is the faithfulness of God's promises--God is not bound by time--but we are! In His realm there is no time. He does what He wants when He wants--in His time.

The point is NOT that a day CAN BE a thousand years or that a thousand years CAN BE a day but that that is how time is to God. But when He gives a promise to us in the realm of our existence which IS governed by time, He does not play with words and give them meanings we would not understand.

Futurists love to use this verse to assert that God might extend what we consider a short amount of time (a day) into a long amount of time (a thousand years) and violate the normal uses of language. In this erroneous perspective soon becomes later and near becomes far, etc. But if futurists wish to unjustifiably stretch a day into a thousand years, then they must also be willing to accept the reverse. Perhaps their thousand-year reign will not actually last a thousand years--perhaps it will only last a day. After all, "with the Lord . . . a thousand years is as a day."

Notice also the wording. It does NOT say a day IS a thousand years, but that a day is AS a thousand years. There's a big difference. Again, this is a demonstration of how God exists in relationship to time not how He wishes to communicate time to us!

Furthermore, it is not the preterist who must PROVE that "this generation" means those contemporaneous to the speaker or writer! That is the normal, usual, common, everyday usage of that expression! It is the futurist who must defend his forcing it to mean something else!

We are NOT reading any position into these simple words. They say what they say. It is the futurist who finds them troubling to HIS system of eschatology and who, therefore, finds the need to attempt to make simple words mean something other than what they were intended to mean!

Also, no sign was given to the WICKED of that adulterous generation. Did not Jesus say so? Did He not say that a wicked generation seeks for a sign? Were His disciples part of the wicked of that generation? No! His disciples right there with Him, to whom He was directly speaking about things that were to happen to THEM, were given the signs of Matthew 24! The biggest sign of all was--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ." How am I twisting these plain words addressed to His disciples? I am NOT! How much clearer could Jesus have made it? What causes you to stumble over their plain meaning? It is such words as these which informs the concept of preterism; it is not preterism which informs the words! They say what they say. What don't you understand about:

YOU will be killed.
YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
See that YOU are not troubled.
YOU will be hated.
I have warned YOU ahead of time.

"THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS generation." It is a pointer--a common usage in language to differentiate THIS from THAT. That is the plain meaning. Why do you find it so appalling that preterists reach the conclusions they reach and call us "unfit to teach?"

"The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7)
"The coming of the Lord is AT HAND" (James 5:8)
"Behold, I am coming quickly" (Rev. 22:12, 20)
"The things which must take place SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1)
"The time is NEAR." (Rev. 1:3)
"He who is coming WILL COME and will NOT delay."

You read these verses and find it totally amazing that preterists could reach the conclusions they reach! I have not twisted these verses! They say what they say, do they not? What do they say? Do they say the end of all things is thousands of years away? Do they say that the coming of the Lord is far off? Do they say that Jesus is coming after a long, long time? Do they say that He will delay His coming for thousands of years? Do they say that the time for the things of the Revelation is far, far off in time? It is the futurist who must deal honestly with these verses. What do they mean?

Preterist

 

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Jipsah, quote.
“I'm of the opinion that sacrifice stopped a coiple of thousand years ago, at about the time they quit doing it.” Unquote.

I answered the question but obviously you did not read it or most likely as a preterist were not able to comprehend it just like preterists seem do with the Bible.

This is what I said which proves that you are inattentive to the point of negligence and in your haste to be argumentative you make untruthful remarks about things I did NOT say. So much for your reputation!
Exodus 20: 16. “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”

My quote was. “The sacrifice of the Passover Lamb was finished by the Lamb of God, at the cross.” Unquote.

Jipsah, quote. “I reckon it answered everything but the question. In the end I couldn't make out whether you reckon that sacrifice had ever stopped or not.” Unquote.

What is your problem let me repeat what I said in capitals for your edification if that is at all possible.
MY QUOTE WAS. “ THE SACRIFICE OF THE PASSOVER LAMB WAS FINISHED BY THE LAMB OF GOD, AT THE CROSS. Unquote.

Jipsah, quote.
“Most futurists seem to be of the opinion that it doesn't matter whether anyone is doing it or not, it hasn't really stopped until they say it has. That seems to be the position that you're defending. Unquote.

Not this ‘futurist.’ This is what I said in my last post to you. Capitals used again to help you somehow, with a huge miracle, UNDERSTAND what I actually stated.

PC QUOTE WAS . “ THE SACRIFICE OF THE PASSOVER LAMB WAS FINISHED BY THE LAMB OF GOD, AT THE CROSS. Unquote.

Jipsah quote.
“My opinion doesn't require quite as much quite as much verbiage to explain. Unquote.

I agree whole heartedly that your opinion doesn’t need as much verbiage to explain because you haven’t much to explain have you?
Most of my posts contain lots of Bible verses so if you want to call them Bible ‘verbiage’ that’s your choice.
You broke the commandment by telling untruths by attributing statements to me that I never made. And you expect your Peers, to listen to your limited opinion?

Jipsah, quote.
Daniel's prophecy said that sacrifice would cease. Sacrifice did in fact cease. Prophecy fulfilled. I think it has a certain elegance to it. Unquote.

Yes it does say that and SO DID I! In post 32.
This is what I said to you Quote. “The seventy weeks of Daniel 9: 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: AND IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE and the OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the OVERSPREADING OF THE ABOMINATION he shall make it DESOLATE, even UNTIL THE CONSUMATION, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Unquote.

The Bible, is a Jewish book, It is about Jewish traditions.
It is now that I understand CLEARLY that you cannot differentiate the holy days governed by the moon and types of sacrifices from one to another and do not read carefully before you jump in.
Shame on you Jipsah, you act like a preterist.

 

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Parousia, quote.
If futurists get tired of preterists using Matthew 24;34, unquote.

Not at all. Matt 24: 34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be 2 Peter 3:8
fulfilled.

No, I’m not tired in reading the problematic way preterist read Matt 24: 34 in isolation.
Jesus said to that generation, that NO SIGN would be given to them so the preterist is wrong about the sign heralding His second coming in 70AD.
That is such a dumb preterist idea because it throws the Lord’s words back into His face.

Matt 16: 1. The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them A SIGN FROM HEAVEN.
Matt 16: 4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall NO SIGN BE GIVEN IT, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Parousia, quote.
“Preterists get very tired of the misuse of 2 Peter 3:8.” unquote.

Well then, don’t misuse it, just read what it says. That’s what I do. I just drink it in!
2 Peter 3: 8. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE DAY is with the Lord as a THOUSAND YEARS, and a THOUSAND YEARS as ONE DAY.
That explain an awful lot when the other verses from that chapter are read in the Same context.

Parousia, quote.
“The emphasis of this verse is the faithfulness of God's promises--God is not bound by time--but we are! “ unquote.

Yeah! You can say that again, two thousand years and I think most intelligent people would understand how these verses are so comforting knowing that a thousand years is just like one day to the Lord. What awesome loving tolerance and power of longevity.


Parousia, quote.
“In His realm there is no time. He does what He wants when He wants--in His time. Unquote.”

Yes He does and He is long suffering and two thousand years more proves it.

Parousia, quote.
”The point is NOT that a day CAN BE a thousand years or that a thousand years CAN BE a day but that that is how time is to God.” Unquote.

Well that just goes to show that even though we are told that a day is as a 1000 years and a thousand years is like a day to our Lord, we cannot be quite sure when He is going to return can we.
I mean, let’s face it, we haven’t really got a clue as to the WHEN time that He will return as we have been told.

Parousia, quote.
“But when He gives a promise to us in the realm of our existence which IS governed by time, He does not play with words and give them meanings we would not understand.” Unquote.

Well I suppose when Jesus went to Heaven, He went into a no time zone. Any rate, we know that time is matter travelling through space. The best thing is to be positive like the Disciples and herald His soon return as peter said.

Parousia, quote.
”Futurists love to use this verse to assert that God might extend what we consider a short amount of time (a day) into a long amount of time (a thousand years) and violate the normal uses of language.” Unquote.


I don’t agree that those words from Peter, violates any language, let me see now where was it? O yes here it is. Peter said DON”T BE IGNORANT.
2 Peter 3: 8. But, beloved, BE NOT IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, that ONE DAY is WITH THE LORD as a THOUSAND YEARS, and A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.
I like the rest of these verses they bring it right home to mind in context.

9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Parousia, quote.
“In this erroneous perspective soon becomes later and near becomes far, etc.” unquote.

O no I don’t think Peter, was erroneous at all. He was quite clear about it. And we are still here waiting, 2000 years later.
That is proof of what Peter said about a 1000 years being like a day and a day being like a 1000 years to God.

Parousia, quote.
“But if futurists wish to unjustifiably stretch a day into a thousand years, then they must also be willing to accept the reverse.” Unquote.

It’s a bit difficult to ‘reverse’ the time when we are obviously so far down the TIME pathway, some 2000 years later. No, I don’t think so. I will just trust in what Peter said.

Parousia, quote.
“Perhaps their thousand-year reign will not actually last a thousand years--perhaps it will only last a day. After all, "with the Lord . . . a thousand years is as a day."” Unquote.

O, and I thought that the everlasting kingdom meant everlasting? Let me have a look to stop all this confusion.
2 Peter 1: 11. For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into THE EVERLASTING KINGDOM OF OUR LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.
No I really can’t agree that it is any shorter than forever.

Parousia, quote.
“Notice also the wording. It does NOT say a day IS a thousand years, but that a day is AS a thousand years” Unquote.

No wonder we are still waiting. 'As' means like. Thanks for that.

Parousia, quote.
“There's a big difference. Unquote.

You can say that again a day is as a 1000 years, imagine that!

Parousia, quote.
“Again, this is a demonstration of how God exists in relationship to time not how He wishes to communicate time to us!” unquote.

Well I think that He does tell us about the times of the end within specific Earthly times just like the Sabbath falling on every seventh rotation of Earth and the’ holy days’ or ‘high days’ occurring on full moons. And the Temple time spans. I find that interesting.

Parousia, quote.
”Furthermore, it is not the preterist who must PROVE that "this generation" means those contemporaneous to the speaker or writer!” Unquote.

No we don’t have to do that, the Bible does it very well indeed when we are told This generation asks for a sign and no sign will be given unto it. So out the window with the 70AD retun. That did not happen.

Parousia, quote.
“That is the normal, usual, common, everyday usage of that expression! It is the futurist who must defend his forcing it to mean something else!” Unquote.

Thank goodness I don’t do the forcing bit.

Parousia, quote.
”We are NOT reading any position into these simple words. They say what they say.

Yeah like there will ‘no sign be given to that generation’ which was true. What a shame for those who ignore the Lord’s words by thinking the Romans were the Lord’s Heavenly army and suggest Titus was Jesus when the Bible and history books refute that silly idea.

Parousia, quote.
“It is the futurist who finds them troubling to HIS system of eschatology and who, therefore, finds the need to attempt to make simple words mean something other than what they were intended to mean!” Unquote.

O and I thought we were in harmony with scripture by not trying to tell people that Peter, didn’t mean what he said in 2 Peter 3: as do preterist when Peter, was abundantly clear as to what He meant.

Parousia, quote. “Also, no sign was given to the WICKED of that adulterous generation. Did not Jesus say so?
Did He not say that a wicked generation seeks for a sign? Were His disciples part of the wicked of that generation? No! His disciples right there with Him, to whom He was directly speaking about things that were to happen to THEM, were given the signs of Matthew 24! The biggest sign of all was--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ." How am I twisting these plain words addressed to His disciples? “I am NOT! How much clearer could Jesus have made it? What causes you to stumble over their plain meaning? It is such words as these which informs the concept of preterism; it is not preterism which informs the words! They say what they say. What don't you understand about:” Unquote.

Woops, Parousia, that was a bad slip up.

This is where the preterist slips up biblically and the power of the Bible, shows it without me having to say a word.

Rev 1: 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, AND THEY also WHICH PIERCED HIM: and ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH SHALL WAIL BECASUSE OF HIM. EVEN SO, AMEN.
That means every body, good bad and indifferent that the Lord chooses to call.
Daniel 12: 2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth SHALL AWAKE, some to everlasting life, and SOME TO SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT.

Parousia, quote.
“YOU will be killed.
YOU will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
See that YOU are not troubled.
YOU will be hated.
I have warned YOU ahead of time.” Unquote.

Yes Jesus, did warn us and we still wait for that time to come.
Dan 11: 33. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is YET FOR A TIME APPOINTED.

Parousia, quote.
"THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS generation." It is a pointer--a common usage in language to differentiate THIS from THAT. That is the plain meaning. Why do you find it so appalling that preterists reach the conclusions they reach and call us "unfit to teach?"

You are Unfit to teach because Jesus, said that ‘THIS GENERATION WILL NOT BE GIVEN A SIGN!’
And they were not given a sign eccept for the sign of Jonah and that was recorded as occurring but the second coming was NOT. So Jesus was right and you are wrong because you ignore what he said!
“NO SIGN TO THIS GENERATION,” Maybe Parousia, you would tell us what it means? I will not hold my breath waiting because you can’t answer it.

 

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Parousia. quote.
"The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7)
"The coming of the Lord is AT HAND" (James 5:8)
"Behold, I am coming quickly" (Rev. 22:12, 20)
"The things which must take place SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1)
"The time is NEAR." (Rev. 1:3)
"He who is coming WILL COME and will NOT delay."

I read these verses and find it totally amazing that preterists could reach the conclusions they reach!” Unquote.


When you ignore what Peter, said and ignore what Jesus, said that no sign would be given to ‘this generation’ which you reject outright as you do these following verses.
But Peter, said a day is like a 1000 years and a 1000 years to God is like a day;
And then states the reasons why God delays for so long then says this about how we should behave about His 2nd coming.

12. LOOKING FOR THE HASTING UNTO THE LORD UNTO THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein THE HEAVENS BEING ON FIRE shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

I suggest you read the Bible and not those preterist books of yours.

2 Peter 3: 8. But, beloved, BE NOT IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING, that ONE DAY is WITH THE LORD as a THOUSAND YEARS, and A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.

I like the rest of these verses they bring it right home to mind in context so clearly.

9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12. LOOKING FOR THE HASTING UNTO THE LORD UNTO THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein THE HEAVENS BEING ON FIRE shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Parousia, quote.
“ I have not twisted these verses! They say what they say, do they not? What do they say? Do they say the end of all things is thousands of years away?” unquote.

Well they sure don’t say that Jesus, returned to ‘THIS GENERATION’ in 70AD because no sign was to be given to them, except the sign of Jonas. That’s one for Jesus, and a big fat zero for the book of preterists.

Parousia, quote.
Do they say that the coming of the Lord is far off? Do they say that Jesus is coming after a long, long time? Do they say that He will delay His coming for thousands of years?” unquote.

How about you read 2 Peter 3: 8 – 13. AGAIN and for once in your life listen to Jesus.

Parousia, quote.
“Do they say that the time for the things of the Revelation is far, far off in time? It is the futurist who must deal honestly with these verses. What do they mean?” Preterist. Unquote.

The pages of Daniel are turning now but preterists do not see, just like the Pharisees and scribes did not see.
How can the blind preterists lead anyone in the word of truth? That is an impossibility.

 

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This is the view I take as well, based on Jesus' words to his disciples in Matthew 24, concerning the Temple, and this was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed.

Also, I think it's important to keep in mind what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman in John 4:21


Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

One thing I'm a little wary of is pastors or evangelists on TV who seem to think that we're living in the "Last Days". Throughout history, there have been people in certain groups that thought the same thing. As the day predicted came and went, they were proven to be wrong. God doesn't work on man's timetables. Is there a possibility that the Second Coming of Christ COULD happen in our life times? The possibility is there, I will admit, but that doesn't mean it will. For all we know, it could happen 2,000 years from now.

Dear Jadis, I am interested as to why you say that the destruction of the Temple was based on Jesus’ words?
Would you please take the time to consider these following remarks without taking offence because I mean none toward you.

Capitals used for emphasis only.
Matthew 24: 1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Matthew 24: 2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not ALL THESE THINGS? verily I say unto you, There shall NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.

In verse 2. Jesus said ‘SEE ALL THESE THINGS.’ That means every thing constructed on that site.
Jesus did not single out the Temple.
He was saying ‘SEE ALL THESE THINGS.’ That means everything constructed on that site.
The wailing wall was a part of that structure and is still standing there stone upon stone, today.

You may think me padantic, however I did not write these words, quote “There shall NOT BE LEFT HERE ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN.”
Was every stone thrown down from ‘ALL THESE THINGS?’
No, because we still have the Wailing wall, that structure has massive stones left one upon another.
The Disciples, were quick to identify those remarks by Jesus, as concerning, quote. ‘Thy coming’ and the ‘end of the world.’

Matthew 24: 3. “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be THE SIGN OF THY COMING, and of THE END OF THE WORLD?”

Our Lord, did not refute or deny their question as being fancifal or out of context.
There was that link, it was made by the Disciples, about ALL those stones being thrown down and not one being left upon another to His ‘second advent’ and ‘end of the world.’
Jesus, immeditely launched into answering their question.

The Lord, made no deviasion within His answere from the intent of that question. He went right on through.
Yes the Temple, was destroyed in 70AD, as has been the case before, but I do not beleive it has anything to do with the specific words of Jesus, concerning ALL the stones being cast down because they weren’t.
Therefore there was no connection at the Temple being destroyed in relation to the second coming

This I will say to Parousia.
It is within the very detailed words of Jesus, that we find the truth and because those words in Matt 24: 3. Are read with man made assumptions we have preterists running around telling people that ‘the second advent was in 70AD.’
All because, of their haste to broadcast things without due care.
As I have said before, pretrists giving that specific generation standiing before Jesus, a sign of His coming when Jesus, said they would not receive any sign eccept the sign of Jonas is not being true to His very words.
Maranatha.
PC.