Ok, and the futurist thinks he's right. And the historicist thinks he's right. And the Idealist thinks he's right.
Everybody thinks their own eschatological view is right - even you think your End Times position is right. Accusations of "pride" and likening us to the apostate Jews who rejected Christ is ridiculous, PC, and just plain wrong.
Because preterism is an
eschatological position. And Orthodox preterists believe Jesus will come again. Simple. Just so you are aware, this board isn't called the
Futurism forum; it's called the
Eschatology forum, so any eschatalogical view that agrees with the creeds is allowed here, and Orthodox preterism is an eschatological position that agrees with the creeds. I hope that answers your question.
No,
full-preterism breaks the rules on this forum. Orthodox preterism does not. And accusing other people of breaking the rules
is a rule violation in and of itself. Read the
FAQ, and check your eye for a splinter that may be logged in there.
In Christ,
Acts6:5
Now you presume to know what others think? Do you think you have the power of God, to know what people think. You make presumptions on those that dare scrutinise preterist theories.
Do you agree with this assumption. Pilgrim. Quote. “Jesus said that Satan was cast out when he was lifted up on the Cross.” Unquote.
I said to Pilgrim‘ Show me the verse.’ I am still waiting for a retraction because there is no biblical backup for his claim.
So what do futurists like Pilgrim, do after making that unbiblical statement?
Pilgrim, quote. “Indeed, isn’t that the very message of the Gospel? Unquote.
Pilgrim, quote. This is the Gospel, and this is what I believe. Unquote.
Now if that is not indoctrination what is, when people assume things then say ‘this is the Gospel?’
That statement ‘I believe.’ Means nothing if one believes in ones own words.
Here is another preterist gem.
Pilgrim, quote. “The victory is already won, Jesus Christ reigns, and at the name of Jesus the gates of hell crumble, darkness flees and every foul spirit bows in mute subjection.” Unquote.
Already won? Jesus, reigns? ‘every foul spirit bows in mute subjection?’
Pilgrim, ignores 1 Cor 15: 52 – 58. as if it didn’t exist, talk about selective.
Victory is not won until we can claim all the things in 1 Cor 15: 52 – 58.
Pilgrim has a big problem it’s called Rev 20: and 21:
Hers is another gem from a preterist.
Jipsah quote. “It's just circumlocution and blatherskite that I have problems with. Unquote.
Jipsah, quote.
“You don't consider the Bible to be verbiage?”
Maybe you can tell me what Jipsah, was’ thinking’… If he was ‘thinking’ at all?
Jipsah, quote. “Orthodox preterist, thanks. I consider futurism a species of superstition.” Unquote.
How stupid was that statement from a man who can’t work out the Temple times and types.
Now your turn. My quoted Bible verses were.
Mark 13: 31. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13: 32. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but ONLY THE FATHER.
Your reply was the opposite to the statements made by the Lord.
Acts6:5, quote. “You can know the generation in which these things will place without knowing the day or hour. Simple.”
“Jesus could say he would return within His generation without knowing "the day or the hour" of that return. During his earthly ministry, He could be specific concerning the generation but not the day or the hour.” Unquote.
What do you mean quote.” He could be specific concerning the generation?”
He was VERY specific He said no sign for that generation except the sign of Jonas.
When they asked Him in Matt 16: 1, If He ‘would shew them a sign from heaven.’ He said. Matt 16: 4.” A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.”
This is the reason I have no respect whatsoever in the integrity of Preterists, like you. You just drift around making huge counter statements to those of The Lord's, and it takes people like me a Herculean effort to clean up the mess you leave behind.
Why do you, (just like the Jews), reject the words of ‘no sign’ clearly stated by Jesus?
So what do others say about your idea?
“35–38. Verse 35–36 warn against attempts to set an exact date for Christ’s return at the end of the Church Age (a warning unheeded by the Adventists in 1844, the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1916, and many others). To speculate that “day” and “hour” do not eliminate “year” is a gross oversimplification. The Father only knows the time of Christ’s return since it has been set by His authority (cf. Acts 1:7).”
So your argument suggests you are like Parousia, and erroneously believe that Jesus, came in 70AD which is not the case.
Matthew 24: 6. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath PUT IN HIS OWN POWER."
Credit to; Jerry Falwell, executive editor; Edward E. Hinson and Michael Kroll Woodrow, general editors, KJV Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1994.
Acts6:5, quote. “Everybody thinks their own eschatological view is right - even you think your End Times position is right.” Unquote.
Well you are flat busted wrong on that notion wrong as well.
I’m always searching, running to and fro over the Bible, looking and studying and praying to find better understanding. Yet from you lot we get told ‘it’s a done deal’
Daniel was told to ‘seal up the book until the time of the end’ and that understanding of it would not be before that time.
The ‘historic view,’ holds back growth in scriptural understanding.
Even the translators were so convinced by their ‘historic’ ideas that they placed Daniel 8: at the time of Alexander the great,’ they ignored what the Bible, said and put Greek for the word ‘Yavan’ they caused the vision of Daniel 8 to be misunderstood for decades by insisting it was concerned with the past.
The angel made it absolutely clear ‘Understand o son of man for the vision concerns the time of the end.’ In verse 17 and in 19 calls it ‘the last end.’
The real problem with preterist thinking, is it does not stand biblical scrutiny, Ipso facto.
Not all the Jews were wrong, some followed Jesus, but comparisons are obvious with preterist thinking just like the Pharisees and Sadducees and scribes with their looking back and not seeing what was going on around them and because preterists aren’t looking in the right place because they teach that Jesus came in 70AD is just plain stupidity and like the Jews will miss out.
As far as my quote ‘end time position being right’ unquote, is not the issue.
I have never claimed that at all.
Either Christians support the Bible, or they don’t and when they don’t and indoctrinate others, I and many others then step in, using the Bible, to show why I don’t agree.
If I find something in the Bible that proves me erroneous, then I will retract.
Nobody is ‘right 100%’ not even the Disciples, Peter and Paul argued certain points.
Likening a preterist to the evil generation of Jews is dead right!
Because preterists are too proud to admit error, even when it is put right in front of them from the Bible and you have just proven that.
That’s how you tell an indoctrinated preterist with preconceived ideas, from that of true Bible Christians.
I have seen here, where biblical arguments put against preterists, have stood firm. Yet after the preterist, is proven wrong, they simply ignore the biblical proof just like you will ignore the fact that, that generation were told NO SIGN and just like Jipsah and Parousia you won’t see it.
Because preterism is an eschatological position. And Orthodox preterists believe Jesus will come again. Simple. Just so you are aware, this board isn't called the Futurism forum; it's called the Eschatology forum, so any eschatalogical view that agrees with the creeds is allowed here, and Orthodox preterism is an eschatological position that agrees with the creeds. I hope that answers your question.
Nobody said it was the futurist site so don’t exaggerate! I said it was an eschatological site. I suggest you get a better dictionary.
Here’s another little gem.
Parousia, quote, ‘Jesus came in 70AD.’
Preterists deal in the past they even try to pull parts of Matt 24; Mark 13: Luke 21: apart to the past like the abomination of desolation which is set up for 1290 days not years in Dan 12: 11. where that one vision right through was from 10: to 11: through to 12: where they deal with the resurrection and mentions the 1335 days for those that pass through it, are to be blessed, that’s wedding supper promise speak of Rev 19: 1 – 10.
Preterists change days into years, place the seventy weeks in the past by trying to align Daniel 9: 25 the decree to ‘BUILD JERUEALEM to the Cyrus creed to ‘BUILD THE TEMPLE OF GOD.’ Two different decrees and in doing that they force read them together and force an early date, that is against the word of Gabriel.
Gabriel, states the vision of Daniel 8: concerns the time of the end then uses the explanation of the seventy weeks to explain the vision of Daniel 8, which locks the seventy weeks to that vision’s time of the end period.
Yet a preterist said to me, quote. ‘O the time of the end and ‘last end is so vague.’ The only thing vague was his ability to understand what sayeth the Bible in plain English. Preterists slide from under tricky questions they just can’t answer so by moving on to something else avoid having to. If most here are like me they would be well and truly sick of them. Annoying people just like the Jews were to Jesus.
Acts65. Quote "No, full-preterism breaks the rules on this forum. Orthodox preterism does not. And accusing other people of breaking the rules is a rule violation in and of itself. Read the FAQ, and check your eye for a splinter that may be logged in there."
Check your own eyes for splinters are you sure you are not a Scribe with their pompous always right attitude?
I thank the Lord for His guidance through scripture on the fact that I’m persuaded against the preterist, that is a very great blessing from the Lord indeed. Amen
Here look at this quote by Parousia, ‘Jesus came in 70AD.’
Did you jump in and correct one of your own? No you did not you suggested that Jesus, could have known the time of His return in that generation when that generation were told NO SIGN, and backed Parousia, so look at the whopping great log in your own eye.
Preterists say one thing and do another, by their actions just like the Sadducees.
“Those that are of the spirit of the Pharisees, proud, formal, and imposing, what figure soever they make, and of what denomination soever they be, God will not own them as of his planting. By their fruit you shall know them.
(3.) Those plants that are not of God’s planting, shall not be of his protecting, but shall undoubtedly be rooted up. What is not of God shall not stand, Acts 5:38. WHAT THINGS ARE UNSCRIPTURAL, WILL WITHER AND DIE of themselves, or be justly exploded by the churches; however in the great day these tares that offend will be bundled for the fire. What is become of the Pharisees and their traditions?”
