What is the age of the Earth?

[jad123]

Yup, that would make you a protestant.

Like I said, by the RCC standards. But by Gods I am Christian and nothing more.

 

[jad123]

Separate issues. One is geology/physics/astrophysics the other is biology with some scripture thrown in.

Thanks for side stepping my question.

 

[hoser]

For those hear that believe the earth is old. For you does this equate to believing that we evolved from apes and that Adam and Even are a myth?

Not at all. I fully believe in Adam and Eve being Created by God. But why does that mean that the Earth must be young? The following is what I wrote a few posts back.

"The reason I bring this poll up is because some people close to me are evangelicals (yes, I keep praying that someday they will find the full truth in the Catholic Church). But that's a separate issue. They believe and listen to stuff that claims if one is a creationist, you must believe in a young earth. The old earth people are evolutionists. Sure evolutionists will hold to an old earth belief, but what really gets me is the insistance that one cannot be a creationist and believe in an earth that is millions or billions of years old. "

 

[Zadok7000]

For those hear that believe the earth is old. For you does this equate to believing that we evolved from apes and that Adam and Even are a myth?

NO.

I believe the amount of time between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 is billions of years.

 

[pgp_protector]

Like I said, by the RCC standards. But by Gods I am Christian and nothing more.

 

[KerrMetric]

Thanks for side stepping my question.

It's not a sidestep - though I know you see it as such.

You have to agree with what I stated was factually true. Right?

 

[simplyg123]

I'm only trying to point out that your comment was not a "proof" even in a laissez faire sense of the word.

i got that, and understand that, but you get my point, we have had men in space, who have seen the round planet, that is proof enough.

basing a fact on a number they pulled out of current statistics or rates, which are not exact but averages rather, doesnt do it for me. Its a guess not a fact, and if science really is all about guesses, how can it be correct.

What is a guess?
its not a fact.

 

[jad123]

Not at all. I fully believe in Adam and Eve being Created by God. But why does that mean that the Earth must be young? The following is what I wrote a few posts back.

"The reason I bring this poll up is because some people close to me are evangelicals (yes, I keep praying that someday they will find the full truth in the Catholic Church). But that's a separate issue. They believe and listen to stuff that claims if one is a creationist, you must believe in a young earth. The old earth people are evolutionists. Sure evolutionists will hold to an old earth belief, but what really gets me is the insistance that one cannot be a creationist and believe in an earth that is millions or billions of years old. "

I am not saying the two are related. I was just trying to get an better understanding of the positions here. In another thread it appeared to me that each person that believed in an old earth calimed to be creatonist but in the sense that God used evolution and the Adam and Eve were just stories. So I am trying to gauge all of the different thought processes on this.

 

[hoser]

Like I said, by the RCC standards. But by Gods I am Christian and nothing more.

By any definition if one leaves the Church one is a protestant. Protestant is a form of the word "protest".

1. A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization.
2. An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval.

Protestantism began during the Renaissance as a protest against the established (Roman Catholic) church.

You can call yourself a Christian if you want, that's fine. But in technical terms you are a protestant Christian, just as I am and thankfully a Catholic Christian.

 

[pgp_protector]

i got that, and understand that, but you get my point, we have had men in space, who have seen the round planet, that is proof enough.

basing a fact on a number they pulled out of current statistics or rates, which are not exact but averages rather, doesnt do it for me. Its a guess not a fact, and if science really is all about guesses, how can it be correct.

What is a guess?
its not a fact.

no number is exact.

How old are you & how tall ?

 

[pgp_protector]

By any definition if one leaves the Church one is a protestant. Protestant is a form of the word "protest".

1. A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization.
2. An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval.

Protestantism began during the Renaissance as a protest against the established (Roman Catholic) church.

You can call yourself a Christian if you want, that's fine. But in technical terms you are a protestant Christian, just as I am and thankfully a Catholic Christian.

What church did I leave ?
and when was I a member of the church that I Left ?

 

[hoser]

I am not saying the two are related. I was just trying to get an better understanding of the positions here. In another thread it appeared to me that each person that believed in an old earth calimed to be creatonist but in the sense that God used evolution and the Adam and Eve were just stories. So I am trying to gauge all of the different thought processes on this.

I guess those questions could be brought up in a separate thread. Especially whether or not Adam and Eve were real people created by God as told in Genesis or if they were just stories to attempt to explain how things happened.

 

[hoser]

What church did I leave ?
and when was I a member of the church that I Left ?

There is no point of continuing this with you. It won't get anywhere. Besides, this is off topic.

BTW, this from answers.com "A (protestant is a) Christian belonging to one of the three great divisions of Christianity (the other two are the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church)."

 

[simplyg123]

By any definition if one leaves the Church one is a protestant. Protestant is a form of the word "protest".

1. A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization.
2. An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval.

Protestantism began during the Renaissance as a protest against the established (Roman Catholic) church.

You can call yourself a Christian if you want, that's fine. But in technical terms you are a protestant Christian, just as I am and thankfully a Catholic Christian.

division division, we are christians brothers in christ, we do not have to divide ourselves with denominations

 

[pgp_protector]

I guess those questions could be brought up in a separate thread. Especially whether or not Adam and Eve were real people created by God as told in Genesis or if they were just stories to attempt to explain how things happened.

Or a simple explanation given by God to a people that wouldn't understand if given the full explanation.

 

[pgp_protector]

There is no point of continuing this with you. It won't get anywhere. Besides, this is off topic.

BTW, this from answers.com "A (protestant is a) Christian belonging to one of the three great divisions of Christianity (the other two are the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church)."

I'm sorry, you said "By any definition if one leaves the Church one is a protestant. "

I was just wondering what Church I left.

 

[KerrMetric]

i got that, and understand that, but you get my point, we have had men in space, who have seen the round planet, that is proof enough.

I agree with you "proof enough". But if you are being technical about it that is not proof. But as a working everyday useful sense of the word I agree with you.

basing a fact on a number they pulled out of current statistics or rates, which are not exact but averages rather, doesnt do it for me. Its a guess not a fact, and if science really is all about guesses, how can it be correct.

What is wrong with statistics and error analysis in a scientific sense? As a working scientist these are everyday tools of the trade - even in theoretical science.

Quite simply I don't care if it does it for you. The computer you are using relies on similar theory. As does your cars engine or the shampoo you use.

Nothing is exact in science but as long as the margin of error is treated correctly what is the problem. When you see the age of the earth in a technical journal article it is always in company with error bars. A 1% error is just that 1% - it isn't 1000000000000%.

You are using guess in a colloquial sense not a scientific sense - just as most people use theory in an everyday sense and not a scientific sense.

What is a guess?
its not a fact.

Far less things are fact than most people realise. But guesses don't mean they are plucked out of thin air when used in science.

 

[If Not For Grace]

Why does it matter--from a biblical standpoint?

 

[hoser]

division division, we are christians brothers in christ, we do not have to divide ourselves with denominations

This is really off topic so start a new thread with it. But to answer your question, why do you divide yourself with denominations? It is the protestant church that has divided itself into thousands of different denominations and "non-denominatinos". It isn't me who is dividing anyone or anything.

 

[KerrMetric]

Why does it matter--from a biblical standpoint?

Why does what matter? There are several ongoing issues in this thread.