This bugs me...the chosen people

[MariaRegina]

cuz Abraham was COMPLETELY obedient to God, thus was his blessing that his seed would be a great nation, which God confirmed with His Law.

Amen.

Weren't the other people involved in human sacrifices and other unspeakable acts of immorality?

 

[izarya]

God, in his Supremacy and sovereignty, exercises the right to choose what and whoever he will. Of all the rivers he created, he loved the Jordan; of the whole earth he created, he loved the land of Israel; of all the flowers he prefers the Lilly; of all plants that grow, he loved the olive.

 

[visionary]

amen ... just like us... we have our favorites... not because we love others any less, but because we see more of ourselves in the way it expresses itself. For example I love the daylillie because it has a wide variety of colors and looks like ordinary grass clump when not blooming. It gives me comfort and cheer.

 

[HephzibahBenJudah]

Thanks, but it didn't really answer my question. I know about the NT new covenant.


But why would our God choose A people in the OT? He's big enough to choose ALL people, isn't He?

It's never made sense to me.

There had to be a lineage for Jesus to come through...why not the Jews?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

simple

 

[KarrieTex]

Scripture keeps pointing to the fact that the Jews at the time were after God's own heart. They knew who God was and thus worshiped him.

To all of those who are Jewish on this post...

24 " ' "The LORD bless you
and keep you;

25 the LORD make his face shine upon you
and be gracious to you;
26 the LORD turn his face toward you
and give you peace." ' 27 "So they will put my name on the Israelites, and I will bless them." -- Numbers 6:25

 

[Exonoesis]

I really couldn't be bothere reading through the thread sorry. Too many posts.

This has occured to me before.

The Jews WERE God's chosen people, before Christ.

There are three types of "Jews":

1. The Jews before Christ, God's chosen people.
2. The Jews who accepted and believed in Christ and began calling themselves Christians.
3. The Jews who did not accept Christ, murdered him, and continued to call themselves Jews.

Jesus split the Jews.

Read Revelation if you haven't.

 

[Exonoesis]

Those who talk about the original covenant often seem to ignore the new covenant which overrides it.

 

[Henaynei]

I really couldn't be bothered reading through the thread sorry. Too many posts.

This has occurred to me before.

The Jews WERE God's chosen people, before Christ.

There are three types of "Jews":

1. The Jews before Christ, God's chosen people.
2. The Jews who accepted and believed in Christ and began calling themselves Christians.
3. The Jews who did not accept Christ, murdered him, and continued to call themselves Jews.

Jesus split the Jews.

Read Revelation if you haven't.

No Jewish person of Yeshua's time every called them self, nor were every called by others, "Christian." That epithet was used specifically in reference to gentile believers and was first used at Antioch. Jews who accepted Yeshua's teachings were sometimes called Nazarenes (also an epithet) and sometimes referred to themselves as the Way, but mostly they were just Jews that believed - according to scripture, that is.

In Acts 4:27 it clearly says that all, both Jew and Roman, both leaders and the people, were responsible for killing him. And it was not murder, for murder is to take some one's life against their will, and Yeshua made it very clear that He was willing laying His life down and no one took it from Him. Had He not laid His life down then today you would have no hope of Heaven. If He had been murdered there would have been no redemption.

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, L-rd, behold their threatenings: and grant unto Thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak Thy word, 30 By stretching forth Thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of Thy holy child Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of G-d with boldness.

Clearly it was foreordained by G-d as stated above in verse 28.

And speaking of covenants:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

 

[s_gunter]

Thread closed for staff review
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[Letalis]

Racism will not, under any circumstance, be tolerated. I hope that is absolutely clear.

Thread reopened.
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[yeshuaslavejeff]

simple

 

[visionary]

Paul was considered to be a ring leader of the Nazarene Sect at his trial.

Acts 24:5
"We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is the ring leader of the Nazarene sect."

 

[visionary]

Originally, the followers of Jesus were not called "Christians". This name was first coined among Paul's converts in Antioch. In Jerusalem, those who followed Jesus were called Nasarenes and Ebionites. As mentioned in Acts 24:5, the earliest followers of Jesus in Jerusalem were known as the Nasarenes (Hebrew n'tzrim, meaning "set apart". The word comes from the root for "righteousness" and implies set apart from sinful things.) Though they were followers of Jesus, the Nasarenes were Jews, and their religious beliefs did not depart as radically from the traditional teachings of Judaism as did the Christianity of the gentile converts of Paul in other countries. The Nasarenes held Jesus to be the promised Messiah of Israel, and they viewed him as calling them to return to the pure Law of Moses and to become "set apart" from the polluting things of the Gentile world. Thus, the Nasarenes remained true to the Law. They did not see themselves as followers of a new religion, one that superceded Judaism, but as zealous adherents to Judaism. The Nasarene community in Jerusalem was led by James, the brother of Jesus who was also called James the Just (Ya'akov HaTsadik) who became the first bishop of Jerusalem. James designation as a Tsakik, or "Righteous One", is a Hebrew title that is reserved for those who were zealous followers of the Law of Moses, a title that emphasizes the pro-Law theology of the early Nasarenes.

 

[food4thought]

Originally, the followers of Jesus were not called "Christians". This name was first coined among Paul's converts in Antioch. In Jerusalem, those who followed Jesus were called Nasarenes and Ebionites. As mentioned in Acts 24:5, the earliest followers of Jesus in Jerusalem were known as the Nasarenes (Hebrew n'tzrim, meaning "set apart". The word comes from the root for "righteousness" and implies set apart from sinful things.)

Couldn't the Hebrew n'tzrim also be refering to the place that Jesus was born...? Isn't that what mat 2:23 telling us?

 

[food4thought]

Sorry, after reading back in on the last page, I realize that this has nothing to do with the main point trying to be expressed.

Question withdrawn.

 

[rocklife]

God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense

The Jewish people are really the blessing from one man, Abraham. He obeyed God even to sacrifice his son when God asked, which God did not require him to actually kill when God saw Abraham was completely obedient. God blessed Abraham for his loyalty through his entire family, that blessing being they became a nation.

But God doesn't just bless a physical thing, He is a God of spirit. He rejects those who who reject Him, including ones who may be born of Abraham's family. God is also so happy to adopt new ones.

God is also fulfilling His blessing to Abraham through Jesus. Jesus shows us all people are allowed into God's family, not just the Jews. Unfortunately many Jews today still believe they are a chosen race. God wanted them to serve as priests to the whole world and allow others (foreigners) who were seeking God into their kingdom. The Old Testament tells of how much they failed to serve God, and how God often had to punish them for their failure, lack of love to God, and lack of love to the rest of the world.

 

[visionary]

In Romans 1:16, Paul states that the gospel of Christ is, “the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.” Likewise, in Acts 13:46 we see Paul and Barnabas telling the Jews that, “It was necessary that the Word of God should first have been spoken to you, but seeing you put it from you…we turn to the Gentiles.”

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13), but he always went to the Jews first whenever he taught (Acts 11:19; 13:14; 14:1; 17:1,10; 18:4; 19:8; 28:17). 11 Even Christ Himself sent His twelve disciples (apostles) to the Jews first. In Matthew 10:5-6 Christ commanded the twelve, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles…but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

 

[Henaynei]

and the Commision given to the Apostles reinforces that:

Acts 1:7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

 

[Hierophanticus]

and the Commision given to the Apostles reinforces that:

Acts 1:7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

Not to mention the question they asked of him in the verse right before that one, Acts 1:6, "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
For which they were not rebuked...
only he said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the father has put in his own power."