When was Christ given dominion and authority over all things?

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Revelation 21:2
Revelation 21:9
Revelation 22:17
All these mentioned bride. Of course, we aren't the wife yet, so we are the bride :)

And how is that you say I don't keep them separate .... oh I see ... where you coming from.

I do agree in the Old Testament, God's relationship with Israel is like Husband and wife.

In the New Testament, Paul do consider the Christian as spritual Israel (1 Cor 10). Galatians clearly shows this. Eph 5:23-25 shows husband and wife is type of Christ and the church. The OT is type, figure of the reality in the NT which is spiritual and heavenly.

Of course, there is the Jews who do not believe but later at Christ's coming back.

And plz don't simply accuse me being unstudied ... that was un-called for ... :p

Anyway, night ... sleep ...
Revelation is prophetic and has NOTHING to do with we who are His BODY.Of course the BRIDE is mentioned there...as ISRAEL is the Nation being dealt with in Revelation...NOT we who are His Body.

Genesis thru Acts = PROPHETIC/addressed to and about the Nation Israel/Kingdom gospel/TIMES PAST

Romans thru Philemon= THE MYSTERY/ addressed to and about we the Body of Christ/GRACE gospel/But NOW

Hebrews thru Revelation
=PROPHECY AGAIN/resuming Gods program with the Nation Israel/KINGDOM gospel/ Ages to COME

Eph 2:11,12, 13 and verse 7 tells of the divisions that God makes in His Word...TIMES PAST, But NOW, and AGES to COME.

Times Past and ages to COME belong to Israel

But NOW belongs to we who are His BODY. It is a parenthetical interruption to the program God has with the nation Israel and was NOT prophesied but KEPT SECRET, HID IN GOD until God revealed it TO and thru Paul.

P.S. Paul NEVER considers the body of Christ as SPIRITUAL Israel. You are quite mistaken. There is a LITERAL /PHYSICAL NATION of Israel that is being spoken of in the scriptures and then there is the Body of Christ in this present dispensation, made up of jew and gentile alike.
 
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(Heb.4:12)
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

(John 1:1)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

So GLJCA, God said in Rev.19:15 "And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

I believe what God says, "a sharp sword" is "a sharp sword".
So sorry that you and I don't agree, but your silly posts and questions do not provoke me into your word games.

Have you ever heard that old saying...'I could rip you to shreds with my tongue'?

Keep your eyes on Christ and behold His glory and may Christ the Living Word dwell in us richly!!!
Please tell me that you are kidding in all this. You have admitted that the sword coming out of Jesus mouth is not a literal sword but is a word picture describing the Word of God, yet you are still going to say it is literal.

Dispys have for so long claimed that they are the literalists of Christianity that you can not admit that this verse speaking of a sword coming out of Jesus mouth is figurative for the Word of God. Can you say figurative?

Tell me this who is the Word of God in this verse the sword or Jesus?
Rev 19:11 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
So is the sword the Word of God or is He?

Have you ever heard that old saying...'I could rip you to shreds with my tongue'?

Please tell me that you don't think that is a literal statement? Unless you have razorblades embedded in your tongue you can not rip someone to shreds literally with your tongue. Come on you are really reaching to try and prove something that can't be proven.

The effort to cover for a weak and failing belief just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

GLJCA
 
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The sword, which proceeds out of the mouth of Christ, who is the Word of God, is the word that will judge the rebellious (John 12:48).

John 12:48
He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has one who judges him; the word which I have spoken, that will judge him in the last day.
So it is not a literal sword, right? I mean I agree with you on this but I want to bring out the point that the sword is not literal.
Who rejected Christ? Israel.
When did Jesus judge and punish Israel for her sins? AD70.

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Revelation is prophetic and has NOTHING to do with we who are His BODY.Of course the BRIDE is mentioned there...as ISRAEL is the Nation being dealt with in Revelation...NOT we who are His Body.

Genesis thru Acts = PROPHETIC/addressed to and about the Nation Israel/Kingdom gospel/TIMES PAST

Romans thru Philemon= THE MYSTERY/ addressed to and about we the Body of Christ/GRACE gospel/But NOW

Hebrews thru Revelation =PROPHECY AGAIN/resuming Gods program with the Nation Israel/KINGDOM gospel/ Ages to COME

Eph 2:11,12, 13 and verse 7 tells of the divisions that God makes in His Word...TIMES PAST, But NOW, and AGES to COME.

Times Past and ages to COME belong to Israel

But NOW belongs to we who are His BODY. It is a parenthetical interruption to the program God has with the nation Israel and was NOT prophesied but KEPT SECRET, HID IN GOD until God revealed it TO and thru Paul.

P.S. Paul NEVER considers the body of Christ as SPIRITUAL Israel. You are quite mistaken. There is a LITERAL /PHYSICAL NATION of Israel that is being spoken of in the scriptures and then there is the Body of Christ in this present dispensation, made up of jew and gentile alike.

The book of Revelation is written to the Churches of Asia Minor. These churches were Gentile Churches not Jewish. John was writing to warn them of the impending tribulation that was to come within a few years and it did.

Your mistake is trying to convince everyone that you and your MAD friends are the only ones in the world who are rightly dividing the Word of God.


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Revelation is prophetic and has NOTHING to do with we who are His BODY.Of course the BRIDE is mentioned there...as ISRAEL is the Nation being dealt with in Revelation...NOT we who are His Body.

Genesis thru Acts = PROPHETIC/addressed to and about the Nation Israel/Kingdom gospel/TIMES PAST

Romans thru Philemon= THE MYSTERY/ addressed to and about we the Body of Christ/GRACE gospel/But NOW

Hebrews thru Revelation
=PROPHECY AGAIN/resuming Gods program with the Nation Israel/KINGDOM gospel/ Ages to COME

Eph 2:11,12, 13 and verse 7 tells of the divisions that God makes in His Word...TIMES PAST, But NOW, and AGES to COME.

Times Past and ages to COME belong to Israel

But NOW belongs to we who are His BODY. It is a parenthetical interruption to the program God has with the nation Israel and was NOT prophesied but KEPT SECRET, HID IN GOD until God revealed it TO and thru Paul.

P.S. Paul NEVER considers the body of Christ as SPIRITUAL Israel. You are quite mistaken. There is a LITERAL /PHYSICAL NATION of Israel that is being spoken of in the scriptures and then there is the Body of Christ in this present dispensation, made up of jew and gentile alike.
This aint MY idea...but Gods. If you think IM crazy, then you must think the same of Him. Interesting.
 
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This aint MY idea...but Gods. If you think IM crazy, then you must think the same of Him. Interesting.
This is not God's idea. God is far removed from what you are saying, my dear.

God tells us the there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, you say there is.

God's Word shows that the gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached, yet you say they are different.

God's Word says that the Church is the bride of Christ and you say it isn't.

I could go on and on with the differences between your ideas and God's Word but these are just a few.

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It is your misinterpretation found in your 'Reppy' handbook that "the Day of the Lord" and "the great tribulation" has already occurred/is occurring/will be occurring. Your understanding of God's "word of truth" is almost funny...but in reality, it is so very sad. God's Written Word speaks for Itself. During this dispensation, God has been mostly silent. "The mystery"/body of Christ/"the church" message revealed to Paul was/is what God wants us to hear/read, believe and it is this message that is to be taught and preached, until the days of grace are over.

My interpretation comes from the Word of God. I allow scripture to interpret scripture. Where does your interpretation come from? On what basis do you interpret Rev 19 as literal? You should be able to point me to a method or a scripture proving your presupposition. You really can't though because you have no reasoning for the way you interpret scripture. Even verses that are so far fetched from being literally interpreted you will maintain a literal hermaneutic, which is just plain wrong. What is even more silly is that the verses that should be taken literally you spiritualize. Rev 1:1. Talk about mixed up.

I showed you where the Day of the Lord has happened many times in history. I even pointed out the dates when they happened. All it would have taken was a little historical study on your part to check it out, yet you will say that I am misinterpreting the Word. That is funny!

In fact all you would have had to do is read the context of Isa 13:9 to see that the prophecy was pointed at Babylon. That's right, what am I thinking? I am discussing this with a Dispy, with whom context means nothing. The Dispy mindset is read the newspaper and then go to the Bible to see if you can find a scripture to match it. Context means nothing to a Dispy. That is why your interpretion is so mixed up.

Look I will help you on Isa 13:9. Just a few verses down God let's us know who He is talking about.
Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
19 ¶ And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

You know studying to show yourself approved is more than just reading the Dispy handbook. Rightly dividing the Word is more than just pulling a scripture out of context to prove a belief.

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This is not God's idea. God is far removed from what you are saying, my dear.

God tells us the there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, you say there is.

God's Word shows that the gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached, yet you say they are different.

God's Word says that the Church is the bride of Christ and you say it isn't.

I could go on and on with the differences between your ideas and God's Word but these are just a few.

GLJCA
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"God's Word shows that the gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached, yet you say they are different." -GLJCA

GLJCA's "ideas" vs. the Holy Bible

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:..." 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Peter preached "the gospel of the kingdom":

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, andJudas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:1-8


"....And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:7,8

"The" gospel Peter preached, prior to the death, burial, and resurrection, was the same "the" gospel the Lord Jesus Christ preached, the same "the" gospel John the Baptist preached-"the gospel of the kingdom":

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Matthew 4:23

"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Matthew 9:35


"...the gospel which I preached unto you....... how that Christ died for our sins...."

Peter attempts to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death::

"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21,22

"...the gospel which I preached unto you....... how that Christ died for our sins...."

Again-Peter attempts to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death::

"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31,32


Peter was preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4 prior to the death, burial, and resurrection? No.

The same "the" gospel? No.

Reppy,

Show all of us, in Mt.-John, prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, including Peter, ever preached I/He am/is going to die for your/our sins....be buried....raised again for your/our justification(1 Cor. 15:1-4, Romans 4:25). Chapter and verse.

Using your method of "argumentation":

The Holy Bible says that the church, which is his body, was a mystery unknown until Paul, and is a new man, not a bride, and you say it isn't. A man does not marry his own body.

I could go on and on about the differences between the Holy Bible and your ideas, but since you cannot even figure out that 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was never preached in Mt.-John, prior to the death, burial, and resurrection(at least), as a basis for justification, but this would be in vain. Being a former camp counsellor, I understand the biblical principle you need to employ with children such as yourself, as outlined in 1 Cor. 3:1-2, i.e., milk only, and no meat in your diet. You are not able to "...bear it"-you choke on meat. Hence, the mystery you cannot, and will not grasp.

Now, show us all, chapter and verse, where 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was preached as a basis for justification in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection, i.e., that the gospel of the kingdom, the only "the" "good news" the 12 knew prior to the dbr, is equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Then we can proceed with teaching you(feeding you meat) that "things that are different are not the same"=there is more than one "the" gospel, more than one baptism, more than one "the" church.............

No more "4th and..." on this question I have repeatedly asked you. If you cannot discern the difference between "the gospel of the kingdom" and 1 Cor. 15:1-4, "your funny......no meat for you"(Seinfeld).

Let's take little steps with kids.

Let's go.

In Christ,
John M. Whalen
 
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"God's Word shows that the gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached, yet you say they are different." -GLJCA

GLJCA's "ideas" vs. the Holy Bible

You guys just don't get it do you? Ok I'll show you again.

This is what Jesus told ALL of His disciples to preach.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


This is what Peter preached.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Now here is what Paul preached to Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul tells Agrippa what the gospel that came to him through the heavenly vision is and it is the same gospel that Peter preached.

You guys seem to be trying to make an exclusive club out of Christianity but there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in God's economy.

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You guys just don't get it do you? Ok I'll show you again.

This is what Jesus told ALL of His disciples to preach.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


This is what Peter preached.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Now here is what Paul preached to Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul tells Agrippa what the gospel that came to him through the heavenly vision is and it is the same gospel that Peter preached.

You guys seem to be trying to make an exclusive club out of Christianity but there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in God's economy.

GLJCA
Acts isnt Paul preaching but Luke recording the acts of the apostles. If you want to know what Paul PREACHED< go to Pauls letters.

All of the twelve preached the Kingdom gospel. Christ on earth preached the Kingdom gospel.

ONLY PAUL preached the Cross and its purpose.
 
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You guys just don't get it do you? Ok I'll show you again.

This is what Jesus told ALL of His disciples to preach.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

This is what Peter preached.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Now here is what Paul preached to Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul tells Agrippa what the gospel that came to him through the heavenly vision is and it is the same gospel that Peter preached.

You guys seem to be trying to make an exclusive club out of Christianity but there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in God's economy.

GLJCA
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I asked GLJCA:

"Now, show us all, chapter and verse, where 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was preached as a basis for justification in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection, i.e., that the gospel of the kingdom, the only "the" "good news" the 12 knew prior to the dbr, is equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4."

And his response:

"You guys just don't get it do you? Ok I'll show you again.

This is what Jesus told ALL of His disciples to preach.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."



My comment::Good one, GJLCA, or, should I say, kid. "Showed us" what?That Luke 24:25 is "in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection"? What "the Bible" are you reading? Slower for a kid:

"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.' Luke 18:32-34


"This is what Peter preached.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

My comment:Good one, GJLCA, or, should I say, kid.
1. So, Acts 2:38 is "in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection"? What "the Bible" are you reading? 2. Repent, and be baptized, is 1 Cor. 15:1-4? Right. You really "showed us."'




":Now here is what Paul preached to Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul tells Agrippa what the gospel that came to him through the heavenly vision is and it is the same gospel that Peter preached."


My comment: Good one, GJLCA, or, should I say, kid. So, Acts 26:19 is "in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection"? What "the Bible" are you reading? You "showed us!"


I showed you, with scripture that, as pertaining to the death, burial, and resurrection, 1 Cor. 15:1-4:

1. The 12 did not know it prior to its ocurrence-it was hid.
2. Peter tried to prevent it.
3. They did not believe the resurrection had ocurred, even after its ocurrence.

"You guys seem to be trying to make an exclusive club out of Christianity but there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in God's economy."

You REPPYS have an exclusive club, as in "re-arranging the books of the Bible to fit my doctrine."

No difference? You are correct-BUT NOW(Col. 1:26). But in "...TIME PAST…"(Eph. 2:11,12) there was a difference, which I documented, with scripture, which you, as usual, "punted." And there will be a difference between the Jew and Gentile., despite your denial-"...in the ages to come….(Ephesians 2:7), when the LORD God resumes the prophetic program, the focus being the nation of Israel.

Now, answer the questions re. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 in Mt.-John, prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, including addressing the scripture I cited.

In Christ,
John M. Whalen
 
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Great post beloved brother John!

Me thinks that GLJCA/kid won't answer you because he can't, but he will probably play 'his' word games, as usual...or have to run to play golf. I wonder if he will come up with something new out of his Reppy handbook?!?

with faith, hope, and love in Christ,
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My interpretation comes from the Word of God. I allow scripture to interpret scripture. Where does your interpretation come from? On what basis do you interpret Rev 19 as literal? You should be able to point me to a method or a scripture proving your presupposition. You really can't though because you have no reasoning for the way you interpret scripture. Even verses that are so far fetched from being literally interpreted you will maintain a literal hermaneutic, which is just plain wrong. What is even more silly is that the verses that should be taken literally you spiritualize. Rev 1:1. Talk about mixed up.

I showed you where the Day of the Lord has happened many times in history. I even pointed out the dates when they happened. All it would have taken was a little historical study on your part to check it out, yet you will say that I am misinterpreting the Word. That is funny!

In fact all you would have had to do is read the context of Isa 13:9 to see that the prophecy was pointed at Babylon. That's right, what am I thinking? I am discussing this with a Dispy, with whom context means nothing. The Dispy mindset is read the newspaper and then go to the Bible to see if you can find a scripture to match it. Context means nothing to a Dispy. That is why your interpretion is so mixed up.

Look I will help you on Isa 13:9. Just a few verses down God let's us know who He is talking about.
Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
19 ¶ And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

You know studying to show yourself approved is more than just reading the Dispy handbook. Rightly dividing the Word is more than just pulling a scripture out of context to prove a belief.

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Hmmm...very interesting...the first 2 words of your post to me is---"My interpretation"...and yes, here we have it folks, GLJCA's "My interpretation".

God's written "word of truth" does speak for itself. You just don't understand what "the holy Scriptures" say. Let us start with Rev.1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John,"
The God-given title of this last Book in Scripture is in the first verse..."The Revelation of Jesus Christ", that is the Revealing and Presentation to earth and heaven of the Lord Jesus Christ (Messiah) as "King of Kings and LORD of Lords".
Show me in Scripture when this has already happened.
..."things which must shortly come to pass"... indicates FUTURE tense = which has not happened/is yet to happen. And this shows that from the start of John "in the Spirit" (Rev.1:10) of what he sees, hears, and wrote down/recorded was yet future, including "the Lord's day". (Rev.1:10)

(Isa.2:11-12)
"The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down,
and the LORD alone shall be exalted in THAT DAY.
For THE DAY OF THE LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:"

"The day of the LORD" is yet FUTURE. It has NOT happened yet.
Now it is 'man's day' when he exalts himself and abases GOD.
"In that day"/"the day of the LORD", "the LORD alone shall be exalted".

Do you believe that the Book of The Revelation is the last Book in Scripture? If you do, then surely you must know that it was written after the Book of Isaiah.

And where in your Reppy history handbook has "the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." ???
 
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"Now, show us all, chapter and verse, where 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was preached as a basis for justification in Mt.-John prior to the death, burial, and resurrection, i.e., that the gospel of the kingdom, the only "the" "good news" the 12 knew prior to the dbr, is equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4."

Golly Gee, John, you have such aggression in your writing. I do like the kid thing, though. I am 55 years old and I haven't been called a kid in years. Thank you, that is equal to being asked for an ID when I buy a bottle of wine.

I'm not scared to address your assertion. You guys make assertions without biblical basis, I don't. Also when I find that scripture contradicts what I believe I change my belief. I don't add to or try to change scripture to fit my belief.

Paul points out that basis for justification has always been faith not works.
Rom 9: 30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Paul says here that Israel did not attain to righteousness because they sought it by the works of the Law and not by faith. Faith has always been the path to justification. God's grace provides faith to those who seek justification.

Here Jesus illustrates God's grace in justification coupled with man's responsibility in this story about two men praying to the Father.
Luke 18: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This story is consistent with the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to bring to the world. This publican was repentant the Pharisee wasn't. This publican asked for mercy and went home justified, that is grace, my friend, anyway you want to put it. Oh and this was before the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, right?

Here again is the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to share with the world.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Yes this was before the resurrection but we see that after the resurrection, Peter and Paul are still sharing the same message. Paul said that it came to him from a heavenly vision which is different than what you are saying Paul received.

Ok now I have addressed your assertion. Now I would like you to address why Paul in his own words would tell Agrippa that the heavenly vision that he received from the Lord matched the same gospel message that Peter preached?

Isn't this after the death,burial, and resurrection?
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.



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The God-given title of this last Book in Scripture is in the first verse..."The Revelation of Jesus Christ", that is the Revealing and Presentation to earth and heaven of the Lord Jesus Christ (Messiah) as "King of Kings and LORD of Lords".
Show me in Scripture when this has already happened.

This is a safe question but kinda silly. Since this is a prophecy, that which was prophesied was going to be future, therefore would not show up in scripture. It was future for John but only a few years not 2000+. John wrote that what would happen would be soon because the time was at hand. No other prophecy in history made that assertion. John was warning the Churches of Asia about the impending persecution that was coming upon them. News flash!!! That persecution did come in and around AD70.

I have shown historical evidence that which John was writing about actually did happen in AD70. One thing Dispys can't do is provide proof that what John was writing about hasn't happened yet. All Dispys can do is give conjecture that the historical evidence is wrong. Dispys are the ones who has no proof.

I have shown that the interpretation of the prophetic language has already been used in the Old Testament. To interpret correctly one would have to find out what it meant when it was used the first time. Incorrect interpretation is ignoring the OT use of the phrases and saying that it will literally happen the way John using Apocraphyl prophetic language states it.

If literal stars fell from heaven in Rev 6 there would not have been a Rev 7. Dispys have lost the art of thinking. Throughout the OT the same prophetic language was used but Dispys ignore that.

Someone presented Isa 13 the other day. Here it is again.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Now because you as a normal Dispy assumed that this was speaking of the second coming or the rapture you did not study to find out what the prophecy was really addressing. It was addressing the destruction of Babylon by the Medes in 539BC. That can be historically and scripturally proven. Of course that doesn't matter to a Dispy because if it sounds like the rapture it must be talking about the rapture.
Did the sun quit shining? Did the stars give up their light? No that was prophetic language meaning that the powers and authorities in Babylon would be destroyed.

This language was used by Joseph in Genesis illustrating that the sun, moon, and stars were His family not literal.
Ge 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

You know what is silly. If this verse was in the book of Revelation Dispys would be saying that the literal sun, moon, and stars were going to bow down before Joseph.

We have stars on our flag. What do they represent? They represent state authorities. If the United States were conquered by another country those stars would fall.

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Show me in Scripture when this has already happened.
..."things which must shortly come to pass"... indicates FUTURE tense = which has not happened/is yet to happen. And this shows that from the start of John "in the Spirit" (Rev.1:10) of what he sees, hears, and wrote down/recorded was yet future, including "the Lord's day". (Rev.1:10)

Newsflash!!!!

John wrote the book of Revelation in approximately AD65-68 and from my calculations AD70 was future from that time.

What you can't prove is that "soon", "time is at hand" means 2000+ years. That doesn't even make sense.
It makes no sense that God would tell John to write the Churches of Asia and warn them of impending persecution that would not even come from 2000+ years. What is even more silly is finding historical evidence that the persection actually did come and ignoring it.

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And where in your Reppy history handbook has "the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." ???

Do you guys read my posts? I have shown you where it has happened several times.

Let's look at Babylon in 539BC
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Again this verse is speaking of the powers and authorites in Babylon falling from power and being destroyed and also of the destruction of the nation.

How about Egypt.
Eze 32:2 Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.
3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.
4 Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.
5 And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.
6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.
7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
The same language used concerning the fall of Pharoah and the nation of Egypt.

Here Joel prophesies the fall of Israel.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Peter quotes the prophet Joel in Acts 2. Peter said that which was happening was prophesied by Joel.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Now to be consistent in the interpretation of the scriptures one would have to interpret the sun being turned into darkness, and the moon into blood as the fall of the nation of Israel just as it was used in OT scriptures. When did the nation of Israel fall? The kingdom was taken away from it in the first century. Jerusalem was destroyed and their temple desecrated in the first century. The nation of Israel with their powers and authorites (leaders) fell in the first century. Today they are just like any other heathen nation without Christ. God said that He would punish Israel seven times for their sins.
Le 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
And in the book of Revelation we see that God poured out seven vials of the wrath of God upon them.
Re 16:1 ¶ And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Who received the wrath of God? Israel
Rev 14: 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
In the OT Israel was called a vine.
Ho 10:1 ¶ Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images.

I allow the scriptures to interpret the scriptures. On the other hand the Dispy interprets the scriptures on a whim or by today's newspaper. The Dispy can't interpret these verses correctly because if they did, everything that Dispensationalism teaches would be shown to be false.

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If anyone believes that the baptism in water is what saves, they have NOT believed the correct gospel. We are baptized into his DEATH, not into his WATER...Jesus didnt DROWN!
This is great. I have shown scripturally that the gospel that Paul received in the heavenly vision is the same gospel that Peter preached and all you can do is jump on baptism?

Good job EPH you have made my day.

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This is great. I have shown scripturally that the gospel that Paul received in the heavenly vision is the same gospel that Peter preached and all you can do is jump on baptism?

Good job EPH you have made my day.

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You didnt show any such thing. Thats my point. Beginning with the WRONG premise always leads to the wrong conclusion. YOUR wrong premise is that water baptism is what saves you.
 
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