When was Christ given dominion and authority over all things?

[JMWHALEN]

My faith in God Word does not depend on what I see with my eyes but if I believe what God's Word says. You are saying that because you can't see it happening today then it isn't true, which is what Dispys always do. I believe that what God says is true. The people in Noah's day laughed at him for building an Ark because they couldn't see even one cloud. Don't trust your eyes my friend, TRUST GOD'S WORD.

Holdon we have to believe the Bible. The Bible says that all things have been put under Jesus' feet. It tells us that Jesus Christ is reigning until all His enemies have been placed under His feet (1Cor 15:25). It tells us that Christ is seated on the right hand of God until all His enemies are made His footstool. When you put all of those together it tells us that Christ is reigning while He is seated on the right hand of God. According to Peter Jesus Christ was resurrected to sit on David's throne which is what He is doing at the right hand of God. I will ask you again.

Where is Jesus seated while His enemies are made His footstool? What does Paul say that Jesus is doing while His enemies are being made His footstool in 1Cor 15:25?

There is no way around it, Holdon. You just keep denying what the Bible says in order to propagate your Dispy belief. That is not good.

All you can say is that He is not reigning which goes against what the Bible says. You have no proof that He isn't reigning other than Dispy teaching. You are standing in bad company, my friend.

Read the verses on Heb 2:8-9 in context. The writer is telling us that all things have been put under Christ's feet then he says not all things have been put under him then goes on in verse 9 to explain why he said that. He shows us the God made Christ a little lower than the angels so that He could suffer death and be crowned with glory and honor. Now obviously if God made Jesus a little lower than the angels for the purpose of dying for the sins of the world, God has not been placed under His feet, which is what Paul tells us in 1Cor.

What I don't understand is there are many scriptures that show that all things are placed under Christ's feet but only one that seems to be saying the opposite and rather than find out why, you accept the only scripture in the Bible that says that all things are not placed under His feet because it goes along with Dispensationalism. Go figure.

You can't just take part of that verse out of context and make a belief out of it, Holdon. It just doesn't work.

GLJCA

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Answer my questions. Was the Lord Jesus Christ reigning say, 4000 years ago after Adam and Eve fell? If no, why not? If no, who was reigning?He was God from eternity past, and is God now, right? What power did He loose before Mt. 28:18, that He had to be given this power? God needs power? Was He not reigning in Mt.-John, prior to His death, burial, and resurrection? Was he in exile? I thought you said "that Jesus Christ was made King over his kingdom at His resurrection." Who was in charge prior to that? So, He was not King over His kingdom prior to this? Who was? Was He in exile?
You said "because a king in exile has dominion over no one", did you not? So, He was given dominion after Mt. 28:18, right? Then, He did not have it before, right? So, was He in exile?

You said "How could Jesus be head of all principality and power when He is in exile?" So, before Mt. 28:18, when He had no dominion, according to you, who had dominion over "the universe"?

You said "Jesus Christ is ruling from David's throne in heaven with a rod of iron because He has been given all power and all authority in heaven and earth today." So, He did not have all power and authority before Mt. 28:18? Who did?

You said "How can anyone in their right mind possibly say that Jesus is not reigning in Heaven today?"

So,I ask you: How can anyone in their right mind say that the Lord Jesus Christ, as God, did not have all power and authority 4000 years ago, 599 years ago........prior to Mt. 28:18, of the universe? Was He in exile?


Answer my previous questions, please. What power is this in Mt. 28:18?


In Christ,
John M. Whalen

 

[holdon]

My faith in God Word does not depend on what I see with my eyes but if I believe what God's Word says. You are saying that because you can't see it happening today then it isn't true, which is what Dispys always do. I believe that what God says is true. The people in Noah's day laughed at him for building an Ark because they couldn't see even one cloud. Don't trust your eyes my friend, TRUST GOD'S WORD.

Well, you must be certainly more spiritual than the writer to the Hebrews, because he didn't see it, being inspired and all.

Holdon we have to believe the Bible. The Bible says that all things have been put under Jesus' feet. It tells us that Jesus Christ is reigning

You equate "been put under His feet" to "reigning". That is simply not true.

until all His enemies have been placed under His feet (1Cor 15:25).

The "He must reign until all enemies are under His feet" (2 different things!) is when Christ reigns. Then Christ puts the enemies under His own feet, with the last enemy being death. After which He gives up the kingdom to His Father. So, that is a completely different thing from the period we're living in now, where God the Father is subjecting the things under the feet of the Son.

It tells us that Christ is seated on the right hand of God until all His enemies are made His footstool. When you put all of those together it tells us that Christ is reigning while He is seated on the right hand of God.

No, I don't see it and the writer to the Hebrews didn't see it.

According to Peter Jesus Christ was resurrected to sit on David's throne which is what He is doing at the right hand of God.

No, you're misleading. Peter didn't say that David's throne is at the right hand of God.

I will ask you again.

Where is Jesus seated while His enemies are made His footstool? What does Paul say that Jesus is doing while His enemies are being made His footstool in 1Cor 15:25?

There is no way around it, Holdon. You just keep denying what the Bible says in order to propagate your Dispy belief. That is not good.

All you can say is that He is not reigning which goes against what the Bible says.

Where???? How many times do I have to ask you: where? Who is confusing bible passages and mixing it all up? You see no difference in "footstool" and "under His feet", which is somewhat understandable (but that's the difference between Psalm 8 and 110, not sure you can grasp that though); and you see no difference in God subjecting the enemies under Christ and Christ subjecting His enemies under Himself; you confuse "Christ reigning" with "enemies subjected", etc., etc. It's all confusion.

You have no proof that He isn't reigning other than Dispy teaching. You are standing in bad company, my friend.

You have no proof He is reigning over this world. Where and when was it in the news?

Read the verses on Heb 2:8-9 in context. The writer is telling us that all things have been put under Christ's feet then he says not all things have been put under him then goes on in verse 9 to explain why he said that. He shows us the God made Christ a little lower than the angels so that He could suffer death and be crowned with glory and honor. Now obviously if God made Jesus a little lower than the angels for the purpose of dying for the sins of the world, God has not been placed under His feet, which is what Paul tells us in 1Cor.

You're so confused. It's pitiful.

What I don't understand is there are many scriptures that show that all things are placed under Christ's feet but only one that seems to be saying the opposite and rather than find out why, you accept the only scripture in the Bible that says that all things are not placed under His feet because it goes along with Dispensationalism. Go figure.

You can't just take part of that verse out of context and make a belief out of it, Holdon. It just doesn't work.

GLJCA

You still haven't dealt with "not yet" and "waiting until", because you're on the wrong track.

 

[GLJCA]

But Paul doesn't say that He is reigning right now. I guess, they saw a ghost then in AD70:

"and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Why don't you answer my questions instead of just saying that it isn't so?

1. Where does the Bible say that Jesus is seated while His enemies are being made His footstool?

Ans. The bible says that Jesus is at the right hand of God. Here are a couple of the many scriptures saying that.

Psa 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

2. What does Paul say that Jesus is doing while God is putting all His enemies under His feet?

Ans. Reigning! This is not the only scripture that shows that Christ is the supreme authority over heaven and earth right now. I will present them below.

2 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Now if you say that all things have not been put under Jesus feet then logically He would still have to be at the right hand of God. If He is still at the right hand of God then God is still putting all things under His feet. If God is still putting all things under His feet then He is reigning according to Paul. Plain and simple logic.

Please don't give me a, "but He isn't reigning right now because we can't see it", type answer? That just makes you look really bad.

Paul explains that all things are put under Jesus feet and when all have been subdued unto Him then Jesus will turn all things back over to the Father.

1Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
There is a difference between all things not being subdued unto Christ and not all things have been placed under His feet. Christ is Lord over all things even while all things are being subdued unto Him. They may not bow today but they will bow to Christ, soon or later.

The Bible is plain concerning Jesus having all authority in heaven and in earth today. Satan has no power over God's creation because greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. Jesus bound the strong man and ravaged his house at His resurrection and He took back the keys to death and Hell.

Mk 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Eph 1:20-22 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places], Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Hey EPH do you think that Paul is saying that Satan, who you say has control of this world, has to bow to Christ? How can both of them have authority over the earth?

Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

All of these passages attest to the fact that all things have been put under Jesus' feet and notice all are in the past tense. It has already happened. All things have already been put under Jesus' feet.

Yet you are still choosing to misinterpret a part of one verse that says that all things are not put under His feet. What is wrong with that picture? Are all these other scriptures wrong and that little part of a verse, right? It seems to me that you are trying really hard to make us believe something that the Bible does not teach.

Let's do it this way. Please give me one scripture besides the phrase that you have misinterpreted in Heb 2:8 that says that all things, except the Father, have not been put under His feet? If it is true then you should be able to produce scripture to prove it like I have.

I'll bet ya'll get tired of all the people pointing out the scriptures that show that ya'll are not even close to rightly dividing the Word of God.

GLJCA

 

[GLJCA]

Holdon we have to believe the Bible. The Bible says that all things have been put under Jesus' feet. It tells us that Jesus Christ is reigning

You equate "been put under His feet" to "reigning". That is simply not true.

Can you see how ridiculous this sounds. You are making it like I am the one saying that Jesus is reigning while God is putting all things under His feet. It's not me it is Paul that said that, inspired and all.

2 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

I am sure it is killing you that you don't have even one scripture to back up your assertion. You can not produce one scripture besides the phrase that you are misinterpreting in Heb 2:8. If you have one please show it? I have just presented several verses that show that all things have already been put under His feet but you have not produce one. Why is that? It is because it is a Dispy belief with no scriptural back up.

Dispys believe that they don't need scriptural backup. They just believe it because Hal Lindsey or Jack Van Impe says it.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

GLJCA

 

[GLJCA]

The "He must reign until all enemies are under His feet" (2 different things!) is when Christ reigns. Then Christ puts the enemies under His own feet, with the last enemy being death. After which He gives up the kingdom to His Father. So, that is a completely different thing from the period we're living in now, where God the Father is subjecting the things under the feet of the Son.

Now how can that be when the Word plainly says that God is putting all things under His feet while He is seated on the right hand of God. Please show me scripture that leads you to make that assertion?

There is no scripture that says that Jesus will put all His enemies under His feet. The one Dispys use to try and prove this is found in Rev 19 where Jesus comes out of heaven on a white horse and a sword comes out of His mouth and smites the nations and He rules them with a rod of iron.

You know what is funny? I asked one time if the sword coming out of the mouth of Jesus was a literal sword and no one claimed that it was. Everyone said that it was figurative or representative of the Word of God. This scripture says that it is the sword coming out of His mouth that smites the nations. Now just think about this, you are saying that Jesus will literally come down on a literal white horse and literally smite the nations with a figurative sword. Everything is literal but the sword. Another case of Dispy ping pong interpretation concerning what is literal and what is figurative.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The sword coming out of His mouth is the Word of God, the gospel, which will bring the nations under the rule of God. The leaven will take over the whole lump(world). The nations that oppose Him will be destroyed. Notice the last part of that verse.

What is the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God and who will experience it?
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Do you remember who was called a vine in the Old Testament? Yep it was Israel.
Hsa 10:1 Israel [is] an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images.
God gathered Israel and threw her into the winepress of God's wrath in AD70 during the Great Tribulation. We have to remember that the wrath of God came against Israel in the Great Tribulation, the proof of which was the seven vials of the wrath of God. God had promised Israel that if they did not obey Him that He would punish their sin seven times which he did.


GLJCA

 

[pehkay]

You know, there is a something that will reconciled all the differences. The Bible in principle always has 2 sides (twofoldness of the truth).

As the Son of God, in His divinity, Christ is the only Begotten Son of God, thus, He is God and all authority is under Him from eternity to eternity.

As the Son of Man, in His humanity, God becaming a man, Christ died and resurrected. He became the Firstborn Son of God (implies many sons to come). Christ brought His humanity into divinity (Rom 1:3-4). This is why Stephen saw Christ as a man on the throne. This is why in Acts 13:33 .. "Today I have begotten You".

This is marvelous revelation, that today, there is a Man, Jesus on the throne, whom God has puts the enemies under His own feet.

 

[GLJCA]

You still haven't dealt with "not yet" and "waiting until", because you're on the wrong track.

How can you say that I have not dealt with it? I have dealt with it several times. You just don't want to accept the proof I have given. I used scripture to prove my points. All you have done is give me Dispy teaching.

I said it before when I dealt with the "not yet" and "waiting until" the last time, that God has placed all things under Jesus' feet and He is reigning while He is seated on the right hand of God. While He is reigning God is putting all things under His feet. When all things are subdued unto Him He will turn the Kingdom over to His Father. Until that time He is waiting for His enemies to become His footstool.

Now there I have dealt with it again. Not that you will accept what I am saying but I am still dealing with it. The scriptures back up what I am saying but you can't say that. You have not produced one scripture to prove that Christ is not reigning today. All you can do is say, "no He is not". That is really convincing, I tell you.

GLJCA

 

[holdon]

Why don't you answer my questions instead of just saying that it isn't so?

1. Where does the Bible say that Jesus is seated while His enemies are being made His footstool?

Ans. The bible says that Jesus is at the right hand of God. Here are a couple of the many scriptures saying that.

Psa 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

2. What does Paul say that Jesus is doing while God is putting all His enemies under His feet?

Ans. Reigning! This is not the only scripture that shows that Christ is the supreme authority over heaven and earth right now. I will present them below.

2 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Now if you say that all things have not been put under Jesus feet then logically He would still have to be at the right hand of God. If He is still at the right hand of God then God is still putting all things under His feet. If God is still putting all things under His feet then He is reigning according to Paul. Plain and simple logic.

Please don't give me a, "but He isn't reigning right now because we can't see it", type answer? That just makes you look really bad.

Paul explains that all things are put under Jesus feet and when all have been subdued unto Him then Jesus will turn all things back over to the Father.

1Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
There is a difference between all things not being subdued unto Christ and not all things have been placed under His feet. Christ is Lord over all things even while all things are being subdued unto Him. They may not bow today but they will bow to Christ, soon or later.

The Bible is plain concerning Jesus having all authority in heaven and in earth today. Satan has no power over God's creation because greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. Jesus bound the strong man and ravaged his house at His resurrection and He took back the keys to death and Hell.

Mk 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Eph 1:20-22 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places], Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Hey EPH do you think that Paul is saying that Satan, who you say has control of this world, has to bow to Christ? How can both of them have authority over the earth?

Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

All of these passages attest to the fact that all things have been put under Jesus' feet and notice all are in the past tense. It has already happened. All things have already been put under Jesus' feet.

Yet you are still choosing to misinterpret a part of one verse that says that all things are not put under His feet. What is wrong with that picture? Are all these other scriptures wrong and that little part of a verse, right? It seems to me that you are trying really hard to make us believe something that the Bible does not teach.

Let's do it this way. Please give me one scripture besides the phrase that you have misinterpreted in Heb 2:8 that says that all things, except the Father, have not been put under His feet? If it is true then you should be able to produce scripture to prove it like I have.

I'll bet ya'll get tired of all the people pointing out the scriptures that show that ya'll are not even close to rightly dividing the Word of God.

GLJCA

No, what you don't understand is that all power being given to Jesus, does not equate to that He is reigning over the earth now. And as I have said before that would be pure blasphemy, because of all the evil that is still happening in this world. Or is that Jesus doing it? Or is He too powerless to remedy any of it?

None of the verses you cite, except one, says that Jesus reigns right now.
Now, the only verse in 1 Cor 15 where is says that He must reign, refers to a period AFTER His coming when He indeed shall reign.

 

[holdon]

Can you see how ridiculous this sounds. You are making it like I am the one saying that Jesus is reigning while God is putting all things under His feet. It's not me it is Paul that said that, inspired and all.

2 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

I am sure it is killing you that you don't have even one scripture to back up your assertion. You can not produce one scripture besides the phrase that you are misinterpreting in Heb 2:8. If you have one please show it? I have just presented several verses that show that all things have already been put under His feet but you have not produce one. Why is that? It is because it is a Dispy belief with no scriptural back up.

It'not killing me at all. I can perfectly harmonize Heb 2:8 with 1 Cor 15:25, because they talk both of different periods. You on the other hand mixes it all up and that's why you're so confused.

 

[JMWHALEN]

"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin." John 19:11

"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me Matthew 4:8

"And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it." Luke 4:6

"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.....And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." Rev. 12:9,13


"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Job 1:6,7

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Cor. 4:4

 

[foundinHim]

Now how can that be when the Word plainly says that God is putting all things under His feet while He is seated on the right hand of God. Please show me scripture that leads you to make that assertion?

There is no scripture that says that Jesus will put all His enemies under His feet. The one Dispys use to try and prove this is found in Rev 19 where Jesus comes out of heaven on a white horse and a sword comes out of His mouth and smites the nations and He rules them with a rod of iron.

You know what is funny? I asked one time if the sword coming out of the mouth of Jesus was a literal sword and no one claimed that it was. Everyone said that it was figurative or representative of the Word of God. This scripture says that it is the sword coming out of His mouth that smites the nations. Now just think about this, you are saying that Jesus will literally come down on a literal white horse and literally smite the nations with a figurative sword. Everything is literal but the sword. Another case of Dispy ping pong interpretation concerning what is literal and what is figurative.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The sword coming out of His mouth is the Word of God, the gospel, which will bring the nations under the rule of God. The leaven will take over the whole lump(world). The nations that oppose Him will be destroyed. Notice the last part of that verse.

What is the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God and who will experience it?
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Do you remember who was called a vine in the Old Testament? Yep it was Israel.
Hsa 10:1 Israel [is] an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images.
God gathered Israel and threw her into the winepress of God's wrath in AD70 during the Great Tribulation. We have to remember that the wrath of God came against Israel in the Great Tribulation, the proof of which was the seven vials of the wrath of God. God had promised Israel that if they did not obey Him that He would punish their sin seven times which he did.


GLJCA

I believe that the "sword" is literal. With an utterance out of God's mouth, He spoke the universe and all His creation into existence...with an utterance, God can smite or speak the universe and all His creation out of existence...utterly destroyed.

It is your misinterpretation found in your 'Reppy' handbook that "the Day of the Lord" and "the great tribulation" has already occurred/is occurring/will be occurring. Your understanding of God's "word of truth" is almost funny...but in reality, it is so very sad. God's Written Word speaks for Itself. During this dispensation, God has been mostly silent. "The mystery"/body of Christ/"the church" message revealed to Paul was/is what God wants us to hear/read, believe and it is this message that is to be taught and preached, until the days of grace are over.

Where in Scripture is a verse that declares that Israel, as a nation, has repented yet? Has Israel as a nation, confessed that Jesus Christ is "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" yet??? I say NO because it is yet future and Scripture "rightly" divided says that this has not happened yet.

First, let us read in John 19:14-15 and see what His chosen "people" said of the Lord Jesus Christ...
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, "Behold your King!"
But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him, crucify Him."
Pilate saith unto them, "Shall I crucify your King?"
The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar."

Next, let us read 1Tim.6:13-15
"I give thee charge in the sight of God, Who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, Who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, UNTIL THE APPEARING of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Which in His times He shall shew, Who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"
***note: "until" ***

Believe it or not, but Satan is "the god of this world" right now and he is "going to and fro in the earth" trying to get as many people as he can to believe his lies, exalt him, and follow him.

 

[GLJCA]

I believe that the "sword" is literal. With an utterance out of God's mouth, He spoke the universe and all His creation into existence...with an utterance, God can smite or speak the universe and all His creation out of existence...utterly destroyed.

It is your misinterpretation found in your 'Reppy' handbook that "the Day of the Lord" and "the great tribulation" has already occurred/is occurring/will be occurring. Your understanding of God's "word of truth" is almost funny...but in reality, it is so very sad. God's Written Word speaks for Itself. During this dispensation, God has been mostly silent. "The mystery"/body of Christ/"the church" message revealed to Paul was/is what God wants us to hear/read, believe and it is this message that is to be taught and preached, until the days of grace are over.

Where in Scripture is a verse that declares that Israel, as a nation, has repented yet? Has Israel as a nation, confessed that Jesus Christ is "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" yet??? I say NO because it is yet future and Scripture "rightly" divided says that this has not happened yet.

First, let us read in John 19:14-15 and see what His chosen "people" said of the Lord Jesus Christ...
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, "Behold your King!"
But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him, crucify Him."
Pilate saith unto them, "Shall I crucify your King?"
The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar."

Next, let us read 1Tim.6:13-15
"I give thee charge in the sight of God, Who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, Who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, UNTIL THE APPEARING of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Which in His times He shall shew, Who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"
***note: "until" ***

Believe it or not, but Satan is "the god of this world" right now and he is "going to and fro in the earth" trying to get as many people as he can to believe his lies, exalt him, and follow him.

Now here we go. If the sword is an utterance it isn't a literal sword now is it? A literal sword would not be considered an utterance. An utterance is an expression of speech while a sword is a long blade type instrument for killing people.

You guys just can't admit that there the prophetic language used in Revelation is figurative.

It is amazing that you would not admit that Rev 19:15 is a word picture by John of the character and power of Jesus. It seems that whenever you can't understand what the verse is saying you resort to saying that it is literal.

So is it a literal sword or is it a figurative picture of the sword of the spirit, which is the Word of God?

GLJCA

 

[foundinHim]

(Heb.4:12)
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

(John 1:1)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

So GLJCA, God said in Rev.19:15 "And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

I believe what God says, "a sharp sword" is "a sharp sword".
So sorry that you and I don't agree, but your silly posts and questions do not provoke me into your word games.

Have you ever heard that old saying...'I could rip you to shreds with my tongue'?

Keep your eyes on Christ and behold His glory and may Christ the Living Word dwell in us richly!!!

 

[pehkay]

The sword, which proceeds out of the mouth of Christ, who is the Word of God, is the word that will judge the rebellious (John 12:48).

John 12:48
He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has one who judges him; the word which I have spoken, that will judge him in the last day.

 

[eph3Nine]

The sword, which proceeds out of the mouth of Christ, who is the Word of God, is the word that will judge the rebellious (John 12:48).

John 12:48
He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has one who judges him; the word which I have spoken, that will judge him in the last day.

This is easily understood when one rightly divides. This is Jesus in His earthly ministry. He tells us in that ministry that HE came for the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. These words are addressed TO and ABOUT a NATION who actually DIDNT listen to His Words to them. They rejected HIM and they should have known better...His arrival and purpose with them was well announced in PROPHECY.

The Word of God to WE, the Body of Christ, that is OUR instructions specifically TO and ABOUT us, are found in Romans thru Philemon, and we will be judged according to how we handled "the preaching of Jesus Christ (His RISEN MINISTRY) ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION Of the MYSTERY which before was kept secret"

There IS a difference. We arent going to be judged by the red letters in your bible...but by the words of the RISEN Christ that came out of Pauls mouth.

 

[pehkay]

Yeah, it's addressed to the nation. I didn't say it wasn't ....

After all, it is Christ with His overcomers ... to defeat Antichrist and his armies ...

 

[eph3Nine]

Yeah, it's addressed to the nation. I didn't say it wasn't ....

After all, it is Christ with His overcomers ... to defeat Antichrist and his armies ...

And YOU wont be there. IF you are a part of the church, which is His body, YOU will be long gone before it happens. The overcomers arent US...

You see, we (the Body of Christ), are part of Gods plan to re establish His rule and reign in the heavenlies.

Israels plan and program has to do with Gods rule and reign on the earth.

The BIG PICTURE is that satan usurped Gods rightful rule in heaven AND on the earth. YOUR BIBLE is the story of how God plans to RESTORE His rightful rule in BOTH realms and the people He has chosen for BOTH tasks.

If you dont know what program God is in and to which YOU belong, you will be thinking that you are coming back to earth, and you ARENT!

A great book , besides the Bible, that lays this all out for you with the accompanying scriptures is "Satans Plan of Evil" by Keith Blades. It can be ordered at www.enjoythebible.com

Well worth the read.

 

[pehkay]

And YOU wont be there. IF you are a part of the church, which is His body, YOU will be long gone before it happens. The overcomers arent US...

You see, we are part of Gods plan to re establish His rule and reign in the heavenlies. Israels plan and program has to do with Gods rule and reign on the earth.

The BIG PICTURE is that satan usurped Gods rightful rule in heaven AND on the earth. YOUR BIBLE is the story of how God plans to RESTORE His rightful rule in BOTH realms and the people He has chosen for BOTH tasks.

If you dont know what program God is in and to which YOU belong, you will be thinking that you are coming back to earth, and you ARENT!

A great book , besides the Bible, that lays this all out for you with the accompanying scriptures is "Satans Plan of Evil" by Keith Blades. It can be ordered at www.enjoythebible.com

Well worth the read.

Of course, God created man to express Him and to represent Him. This is why the church is also His Body for His expression and fullness and bridal army (Eph)/Israel of God (Gal) for His representation (to deal with Satan).

But in Revelation, God is calling for overcomers among the 7 churches in Asia Minor (definitely to the Christians). Of course the overcomers are not raptured to the heaven (if this is what you are accusing me) ...

The overcomers will descend with Christ as His bridal army.
Of course, Israel will repent and turn to Christ. They will be earthly and physical in nature whereas the kingdom of the heavens is constituted of regenerated believers and is heavenly and spiritual.

Geez, stop putting words in my mouth ....

 

[eph3Nine]

Of course, God created man to express Him and to represent Him. This is why the church is also His Body for His expression and fullness and bridal army (Eph)/Israel of God (Gal) for His representation (to deal with Satan).

But in Revelation, God is calling for overcomers among the 7 churches in Asia Minor (definitely to the Christians). Of course the overcomers are not raptured to the heaven (if this is what you are accusing me) ...

The overcomers will descend with Christ as His bridal army.
Of course, Israel will repent and turn to Christ. They will be earthly and physical in nature whereas the kingdom of the heavens is constituted of regenerated believers and is heavenly and spiritual.

Geez, stop putting words in my mouth ....

Not necessary to put words in your mouth...you are doing just fine on your own. Your mistake is in thinking WE, who are His BODY, are also His BRIDE. Also, in thinking that WE, the Body of Christ, are the Israel of God.

There is a LITERAL and PHYSICAL Israel and its NOT us! There is a wife (no BRIDE OF CHRIST mentioned in the scriptures...this is a tradition of MAN that has crept into the mix) and that WIFE is described for us as the Nation Israel. God is NOT a bigamist and the Nation ISRAEL is the ONLY one referred to in scripture as the wife.

We are the BODY of Christ and are not to be confused with Israels role. Youve mixed them up, as is the common mistake of most unstudied believers. We are to KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

One has to do with PROPHECY, one to do with the MYSTERY. YOU and I arent part of Gods prophetic program.

 

[pehkay]

Not necessary to put words in your mouth...you are doing just fine on your own. Your mistake is in thinking WE, who are His BODY, are also His BRIDE. Also, in thinking that WE, the Body of Christ, are the Israel of God.

There is a LITERAL and PHYSICAL Israel and its NOT us! There is a wife (no BRIDE OF CHRIST mentioned in the scriptures...this is a tradition of MAN that has crept into the mix) and that WIFE is described for us as the Nation Israel. God is NOT a bigamist and the Nation ISRAEL is the ONLY one referred to in scripture as the wife.

We are the BODY of Christ and are not to be confused with Israels role. Youve mixed them up, as is the common mistake of most unstudied believers. We are to KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

One has to do with PROPHECY, one to do with the MYSTERY. YOU and I arent part of Gods prophetic program.

Revelation 21:2
Revelation 21:9
Revelation 22:17
All these mentioned bride. Of course, we aren't the wife yet, so we are the bride

And how is that you say I don't keep them separate .... oh I see ... where you coming from.

I do agree in the Old Testament, God's relationship with Israel is like Husband and wife.

In the New Testament, Paul do consider the Christian as spritual Israel (1 Cor 10). Galatians clearly shows this. Eph 5:23-25 shows husband and wife is type of Christ and the church. The OT is type, figure of the reality in the NT which is spiritual and heavenly.

Of course, there is the Jews who do not believe but later at Christ's coming back.

And plz don't simply accuse me being unstudied ... that was un-called for ...

Anyway, night ... sleep ...