Was 911 an inside job?

[gwynedd1]

Sorry, I wasn’t actually referring to before the war, but after the war had started, when American and Allied forces occupied Iraq. Planting WMD’s after Allied control would have been quite easy. It’s an infinitely less complicated scheme than the one you believe was perpetrated on 9/11, which is why I find it incredulous that the war mongers could pull the strings to orchestrate the start of the war, but yet do nothing to ensure it’s continuation.

I do not think protecting our government is the goal. I believe our government is a puppet. I cannot account for the loss of captital of about 5 financial powers at the turn of the 20th century that controlled 1/4 of the world's wealth then before the depression when their power grew exponentially. So 9/11 is a just a brief moment in a series. This is a well referenced book that has as its theory Rothschild central power. My 1910 Britannica reference certainly estimates far more power seen in publications today , which this cartel natually owns, today. The goal was to put us into the middle east, not provide excuses for one puppet or another.

http://jewishracism.com/SaintEinstein.htm

I share in the theory that there is a perverse form of Kabbalistic/Frankist Judaism with vast wealth.Most of world Jewery does not recognize the threat , even to themselves. Consider for a moment a very wealth group interpreting some passages in the bible without God's guidance. If you think this is far fetched then consider that Zionist Christians provide funds for a Jewish temple so they may lay waste to the Dome of the rock and start WWIII so we may all be raptured.

Planting WMD’s in Iraq would have justified the Iraq war, which is far more profitable than Afghanistan. Bin Laden and the Taliban were our reasons for going into Afghanistan, but WMD’s had everything to do with why we originally went to war in Iraq.

But we’re not talking about an operation that would require omnipontence. All the warmongering Illuminati would have to do is pay for the transportation of chemical munitions to one of Saddam’s suspected WMD sites, one that he forbade UN entry to. The Illuminati could then influence the “official report” just like you believe they influenced the “official report” about 9/11. Trot some UN inspectors onto the site, influence the media converage, and bingo - the war is validated. It’s not that hard.

Again they do not care at all about Bush and Co. I think they want to bring down US govenment because the US can resist world government. We are allowed to exist as we do to subdue the middle east and the US is easily manipulted in doing so. However Bush being exposed is not a big issue at some point.

And by the way, I personally believe that it would have required near omnipotence for everything involved in 9/11 to take place according to the conspiratorial view, which is one reason why I’m so skeptical of it.

It matters because if Bush and Blair leave office and are replaced by people who are dedicated to ending the war, then the troops will be withdrawn and the Iraq war money will cease. If the Illuminati/warmongers/whoever but Bush and Blair into office so profits could be made from a trumped up war, it doesn’t make any financial sense to facilitate worldwide distrust that would threaten their war policies. After all, the “old money” fraternity is interested in making money, right, not losing it?

You need to look at the round tables like the CFR. Most politicians come from there.

How would that help them? When the country was united on the war effort and America trusted the Bush administration, and that trust led to the beginning of a profitable war. Now that the country is heavily divided on the war, that distrust threatens to end the conflict (if the Democrats win and follow through on setting a date for withdraw). It is distrust that threatens the longevity of this war, and threatens future profitability for the warmongers, and skepticism could have been easily dismissed had WMD’s been planted in Iraq and during the first year of the occupation. But now there is so much universal distrust toward the Bush administration that even if inspectors did happen to find legitimate WMD’s somewhere in Iraq, most people would probably believe the government had something to do with it.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Look higher. Rockefellers in the US is getting close. Our own government exists because of money. Campaign funding and the press create our government. It does not matter who goes in or out as long as the money power is satisfied. since I believe they are Zionist and Satanist madmen they are not interested in money, they have it. What they want to do is become God.

Take a look at Rockefeller trusts that have infested Government, Universities, and medical science etc.
If you take the time to read 19th century publications you may be much more alarmed. What I see is a head line like "Big Problem" and then that news paper is purchase by that very problem and the headlines begin to say "No Problem, go to sleep" . That is the 19th century to 20th century transition that I have read for myself.
FYI: I work for a reference company

 

[WayWord]

There is a new film to be released September 26th on DVD called Press for Truth. It follows the families of the victims of 9/11 and their investigation into the event that so horribly transformed their lives. You can watch it now on Google Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...or+truth&hl=en

If any supporters of the official version of 9/11 can watch this film without the certainty of their belief being somewhat lessened (at the very least), I will begin to seriously doubt their honesty, sanity, or both.

 

[gwynedd1]

There is a new film to be released September 26th on DVD called Press for Truth. It follows the families of the victims of 9/11 and their investigation into the event that so horribly transformed their lives. You can watch it now on Google Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...or+truth&hl=en

If any supporters of the official version of 9/11 can watch this film without the certainty of their belief being somewhat lessened (at the very least), I will begin to seriously doubt their honesty, sanity, or both.

As if we had not found enough. How long do you think it would take for our own institutions to turn on US? If its OK in Iran. False terror and CIA funded press. Its the same recipee.

Below are declassified documents and published in the New York Times. I am sickened by all this.

• Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
• The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
• Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
• The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2000/0416ciairan.htm

 

[Micahyah]

Five Years Later: The Official Story Falls Apart
State Department, media launch assault on 9/11 dissent
By Sander Hicks, New York Megaphone magazine, 9/11/2006
The government is getting desperate. Two major polls recently showed that a growing number of Americans doubt the official story around 9/11. On Aug. 28, the State Department responded with a direct assault against “misinformation,” by publishing a statement that attacked the fringes of the 9/11 Truth Movement. A major media brouhaha immediately followed. The New York Times published a sarcastic sniff at 9/11 activism, titled “U.S. Counters 9/11 Theories Of Conspiracy” on September 2. Time magazine ran a sympathetic but dismissive review of the popular 9/11 film “Loose Change.” ABC/Disney chimed in recently with a docu-drama based on the 9/11 Commission Report.

But not everyone is going along with the program. In New York City, the Sept. 1 edition of AM New York did a positive front-page overview of the 9/11 Truth Movement’s claims. In August, Seattle’s Post-Intelligencer did the same. Even the heads of the 9/11 Commission, widely criticized as too close to the government they were tasked to investigate, recently released a new book that admits they were pre-destined to fail. Popular Mechanics has turned their anti-conspiracy theory feature “9/11: Debunking the Myths” into a book. Five-time Emmy award winning journalist Peter Lance just wrote Triple Cross about the funky CIA connections of bin Laden’s right-hand man, Ali Mohamed. Triple was turned into a documentary at the National Geographic TV channel, but before it was broadcast Aug. 28, Lance removed his name from the film. “They hijacked my work,” he told reporters, “The feds have gotten to them, there is no doubt.” [...]

 

[Daniel19]

As Jesus said, the love of money is the root of all evil...

All one needs to do to figure out why America is in its current position is to follow the money. Elite bankers (J.P Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, and Paul Warburg) bought America on December 13, 1913 with the founding of the federal reserve, the private bank owned by world bankers. America has never been the same. Our money is printed and owned by a private bank, not our government, and thus power is weilded by an invisible, secret government.

Woodrow wilson, who signed the federal reserve act into law, stated in regret,

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Wilson was correct. The men he had handed power to had foul intentions for the future of America - and the world. Paul Warburg, one of the bankers behind the founding of the federal reserve, stated,

“We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

The rest is history....

 

[Micahyah]

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=16240
Bonnie Faulkner's "Guns and Butter": 1 hour audio.

At Community Church in New York City on September 9, 2006, a group of 9/11 first responders shared their experiences at ground zero and afterward.

"We were also killed on 9/11. Avenge us," pleads former National Guard sargeant, David Miller. "We came to your rescue on 9/11. Now thousands of us and our families need you to come to ours."
Heroic first responders are dying of toxic exposure at Ground Zero. Now they are asking the 9/11 Truth movement to wake up the rest of the country to the real terrorists of 9/11: the US government, with the complicity of media giants. Miller notes of those Americans who refuse to look at the truth, "I know something about sheep. Sheep never conceive that the man who fills their grain bins, but without any afterthought, one day starts cutting throats...and everytime 'Popular Mechanics' calls the people of this movement 'nuts', these propagandists, professional liars and tools, who cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be called journalists, strike another nail into the coffin of another rescue worker." In closing, Miller quotes a hero of his, Edward R. Murrow: "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."

Major Mike McCormick, volunteer and civil air patrol pilot, begins by addressing the assembled 9/11 Truth activists, "As I look out in the audience I do not see audience participants, but I see extended members of the 9/11 family." McCormick notes of 9/11 first responders, "There are hundreds and thousands of people that are now sick." and he declares, "The majority of us believe in a higher authority, of the goodness of man. Unfortunately, the people that are in office are scoundrels and they look at God as gold, oil, and drugs." McCormick adds, "There is actually $1 billion dollars in a fund for 9/11 responders..Mayor Bloomberg has spent $40 million of that $1 billion dollars denying claims."
McCormick says further, "A month ago, I had gotten a report that was deemed "SECRET". It was the report from the Executive Office legal department to Christy Todd Whitman, advising her to downplay the severity of Ground Zero...Now, Christy Todd Whitman, I'm happy to say, is going to have her day of reckoning...It is time for good Americans to take back this country...CIA, NSA,, you name the acronym, I would say a good 80% of all agencies involved [in 9/11] are Manchurian candidates. These are the people sworn to protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and the only thing Homeland Security does is decimate the United States Constitution...The Homeland Security Department, the only thing that they don't take care of, is the country's patriots....Every single responder, police, fire, EMS, every volunteer, they are the Minutemen ..The only thing these responders didn't have is a country that gave a ****."
McCormick quotes Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by idly and do nothing. Your participation here, today, shows me they will not get away with it...[Bush] cons people into joining the military. ...he just changes the name of the mission from Enduring Freedom to Enduring ********, or whatever it is..." Of Christy Todd Whitman, McCormick observes, "It is sure as hell she's going to be convicted of crimes against humanity, treason, just to name a few. However, if Bush is behind the catbird seat, the only thing he's going to do is pardon her. That can't happen. We cannot let it happen."

Medic and former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden, observes of Ground Zero, "There was so much radiant heat...that's not jet fuel that burns off 10 hours later, it's not any kind of incendiary...nothing was burning, no combustibles. This was chemicals, this was explosives." Mc Padden remembers taking a cigarette break after carrying three 250-pound women down 25 flights of stairs, when Mayor Bloomburg comes up to him and says, 'You know, you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth. But you look like a dirt bag.'" McCormick concludes, "This is a gross miscarriage of justice. And the government and the state are despicable. Our country has been taken over by these nasty corporate giants and they seem to have given our government HIV and us, in the Truth movement, we're the white blood cells. We're the ones holding it back. We're suffering from a bad infection."

"New York Stories: 9/11 First Responders"
Toxic conditions at ground zero, on 9/11 and long afterward, have had devastating physical and psychological effects on a category of persons known as "first responders". These are the people that showed up, some within minutes, some from across the country, and stayed for weeks and even months. At Community Church in New York City on September 9, 2006, a group of 9/11 first responders shared their experiences at ground zero and afterward. Though they were touted as heroes, they have been treated like poor servants. Presentations by National Guardsman, David Miller; former New York City police officer, Craig Bartmer; volunteer and civil air patrol pilot, Major Mike McCormick; and former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden.

 

[JohnBurger]

There is no reason to lay out any details or counter arguments on this because anyone who can think rationally can see its like debating if water is wet.

The quesion is why do people allow their minds to be drenched in paranoia. Why did 12 black jurors let OJ Simpson go free when there was more evidence to convict than 99% of the crimes ever committed? Bias

Why cant people accept one man could kill JFK? Refusal to believe big events can have small causes.

Why does a huge percentage of Muslims actually believe the Holocaust didnt happen? Bias and Paranoia.

Then we have the followers who are deceived by these biased and paranoid people through misinformation

The study is one in abnormal psychology. But rest assured..many are due to mental illness from slight to profound. But it is a warping of rational thought.

It is the inability to arrange concepts in the mind in an orderly way. Yes, a certain percentage of these people are smart but their minds contain zero wisdom.. and the followers, who are the majority, have problems fitting all the facts in their mind in order. The simple fact that not one noted democrat or popular reporter has even entertained this irrational theory alone disproves it. But the irrational mind will disregard all the obvious for the obscure

A quick study on why some muslims and others believe the Holocaust didnt happen would go a long way to at least saving the followers from stupidity. But for the perpetrators of such stupity...Im affraid there is little hope.

BTW..Of course there are conspiracies. But this is the mother all stupidity. It cant stand more than a minute of rational thought. You mind as well say World War III was planned by robots from Mars. You can imagine your playing chess...but your game doesnt even compete with checkers.

 

[HisKid1973]

Thats guns and butter program was to strange..I don't need to hear people curse God and cuss to learn about something... K

 

[gwynedd1]

There is no reason to lay out any details or counter arguments on this because anyone who can think rationally can see its like debating if water is wet.

So your argument is not based upon any facts by your own fatalistic addmission. Such arguments are easy to discard.

The quesion is why do people allow their minds to be drenched in paranoia. Why did 12 black jurors let OJ Simpson go free when there was more evidence to convict than 99% of the crimes ever committed? Bias

Most people actually overcame their bias. I believed the original story for a time. The question is, why would a rational person explain the futility of presenting facts and then express opinions that destroy their own arguments? If more people have become doubtful, then it is they that have defeated bias while you are steeped in it.

Why cant people accept one man could kill JFK? Refusal to believe big events can have small causes.

Why do some people believe that results must always implicate the minor issue? The same reason no one expects a disaster will happen to them .

Why does a huge percentage of Muslims actually believe the Holocaust didnt happen? Bias and Paranoia.

Then we have the followers who are deceived by these biased and paranoid people through misinformation

You must be a Muslim in the Middle East, otherwise I may discount your pro-western bias on your opinions because you are Western and this could not be as you have made so severe a point on bias.

The study is one in abnormal psychology. But rest assured..many are due to mental illness from slight to profound. But it is a warping of rational thought.

A typical Soviet tactic was to put political opposition into insane asylums. You have the same instincts.

It is the inability to arrange concepts in the mind in an orderly way. Yes, a certain percentage of these people are smart but their minds contain zero wisdom.. and the followers, who are the majority, have problems fitting all the facts in their mind in order. The simple fact that not one noted democrat or popular reporter has even entertained this irrational theory alone disproves it. But the irrational mind will disregard all the obvious for the obscure

"We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba"
"We could develop a communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area in other Florida cities and even Washington"

Hard facts Vs your speculation of honest politics and press. That this was not even mentioned in the context of 9/11 proves they are the issue.

A quick study on why some muslims and others believe the Holocaust didnt happen would go a long way to at least saving the followers from stupidity. But for the perpetrators of such stupity...Im affraid there is little hope.

At this point in your post this applies to you. I find it interesting your attempt to link 9/11 with holocaust denial and arabs. Perhaps it is an accident but it is also a tactic used to discredit legitimacy interlarded with illegitimacy. Had you keep this hidden it would not have furthered the weakness of you opinion and obvious bias.

BTW..Of course there are conspiracies. But this is the mother all stupidity. It cant stand more than a minute of rational thought. You mind as well say World War III was planned by robots from Mars. You can imagine your playing chess...but your game doesnt even compete with checkers.

Of course you used that minute elsewhere in another post.

 

[Prophetboy]

i am God's witness of revelation. i tell you the TRUTH.. 911 was an INSIDE JOB, a false flag special, carried out by the freakmasons, moooo sad and mi5.



For none shall deal without the numbers of the Beast..666 shall be the numbers of it's name.


federal reserve bank, 18 letters, three parts, = 666

federal reserve note, 18 letters, three parts , = 666


The federal reserve bank is a Privately owned bank . They took contol of the planet in 1913 by use of the numbers of the Beast. The federal reserve bank started and bankrolled ww1, ww2 and ww3.


WW3 commenced when satan's masons carried out 911 the inside job and blamed it on Bin boxcutter.. It would take a totally satan infected pentagrm kisser not to see this. If you supported the antichrist, Bush, in any way, or support current day Apostate israel in any way, Jesus has removed your name from the book of life.


God's witness of Revelation.

 

[icedtea]

 

[brother daniel]

Beloved brethren,
Who gains because of 9/11? It looks to me like the Rothschilds, ISRAEL, The UN and the EU.

Who loses? The taxpaying citizens and inhabitants of the United States with The woman and children of Iraq, Afganista, Palistine and Lebanon.

I advise everybody to drop everything and start living a life based on the words of Jesus why you still have a chance. Life is going to become very hard for middle class Americans including Canadians, Brits, and Aussies.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[NumberOneSon]

Life is going to become very hard for middle class Americans including Canadians, Brits, and Aussies.

How soon will this take place? Do you have any timerame?

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[JohnBurger]

A typical Soviet tactic was to put political opposition into insane asylums. You have the same instincts.

"We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba"
"We could develop a communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area in other Florida cities and even Washington"

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Like I said..there is little hope for the fanatics. My post was in no way intended for such an irrational mind. The irrational mind cannot think correctly..so there is really no point in engaging in any facts with it...because they have already rejected the facts. Very sad

 

[ElijahFalling]

Like I said..there is little hope for the fanatics. My post was in no way intended for such an irrational mind. The irrational mind cannot think correctly..so there is really no point in engaging in any facts with it...because they have already rejected the facts. Very sad

what rational thought is present in your post? All you've done is come here and state that we are wrong, without any explaination whatsoever. I think it is obvious who has the irrational mind around here.

I've already thoroughly debunked you in the other thread; and it looks like you were already thoroughly debunked here, so I won't waste any more time.

 

[Driver]

Like I said..there is little hope for the fanatics. My post was in no way intended for such an irrational mind. The irrational mind cannot think correctly..so there is really no point in engaging in any facts with it...because they have already rejected the facts. Very sad

Have you looked at the collapses of the WTC towers? How do you explain it? Has this ever happened before to a steel-framed skyscraper, let alone 3 on the same day, including WTC 7 that wasn't even hit by a plane? Have you heard of Scholars for 9/11 Truth? They are convinced they were brought down by controlled demolitions.

Also, what about the standdown of the US defenses? Why did Cheney order the military not to shoot down the plane heading for Washington?

 

[gwynedd1]

Like I said..there is little hope for the fanatics. My post was in no way intended for such an irrational mind. The irrational mind cannot think correctly..so there is really no point in engaging in any facts with it...because they have already rejected the facts. Very sad

Those quotes are from declassified documents. We have the same of similiar operations of the CIA in Iran(false terror, control of the press). Does that not essentially make you a fanatic of denial? Simply change a few words around and you have a perfect confession.

 

[icedtea]

Also, what about the standdown of the US defenses? Why did Cheney order the military not to shoot down the plane heading for Washington?

Thats what got me. After hours of knowing planes were hijakced, and planes hitting the wtc, still no planes could catch any in time. No way.

 

[NumberOneSon]

Thats what got me. After hours of knowing planes were hijakced, and planes hitting the wtc, still no planes could catch any in time. No way.

Yes way .

“On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.”
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[NumberOneSon]

Why did Cheney order the military not to shoot down the plane heading for Washington?

You mean Rumsfield, not Cheney, right?

In Christ,

Acts6:5