What exactly is "fair and square" about one country invading another's territory?
"Fair and square war" is an oxymoron.
No country should ever be able to establish its capitol on illegally seized territories.
But this helps me to understand how you understand the concept of fairness.
Surely you must remember. Israel was the one attacked. And Jerusalem was the capital of Israel since Biblical times.
And if we are going to play the game of winners aren't entitled to spoils of war--then what part of what country is going back to what people? Seems like every country was once someone else's property--until they lost it.
Israel as a nation in Biblical times is not the same as Israel as it was established in modern times. Modern Israel was established by political actions, not by God, and those political actions did not give them all of Jerusalem.
You might want to read up on just war doctrine as well.
I am not accusing you, but I feel that there is a lot of veiled antisemitism in the liberal movement, meaning worldwide.
yes, the Church rightly recognizes Herself as being the fullfilment of Israel, the People of God
the Modern Zionest State is not Biblical Israel
the land was taken by european christians and given to european jews
the modern state of Israel is one of the last vestages of Colonialism
the land was taken by european christians and given to european jews
the modern state of Israel is one of the last vestages of Colonialism
Preemptive strike v. unjustified attack
At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country.[153] The Israeli government later abandoned its initial position, acknowledging Israel had struck first, claiming that it was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion by the Arab countries.[153][154] On the other hand, the Arab view was that it was an unjustified attack.[155][156]
I am amazed that when land is won "fair and square" in a war, it is termed "illegal".
I'm not discussing Israel's innocence, I'm saying that the other party involved is not just a bunch of poor victims.
The point is that Israel has been a nuclear power for years, and many Israeli government officials are very militaristic. In this article published yesterday they are talking about drawing a line in the sand and expressing dissatisfaction with international efforts.
Israeli security cabinet meeting adjourned due to leaks on secret Iran strategy talks - The Washington Post
Israel is the fourth largest lobby in the U.S.
I don't think any liberals are disputing Israel's right to the land they were given by the international community in 1949, and they are committed to defending them. They are concerned about the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, including East Jerusalem.
Israeli-occupied territories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My consciousness was raised by a young man who had spent several summers in Israel (until he was apprehended by Israeli police, driven to the Egyptian border, thrown out of the country, and banned for 8 years). He worked with Palestinians and also with Israelis who disagree with the militaristic solutions of their leaders. I interviewed him for an article, and invited him to speak at a group I belonged to. In our long conversation at a coffee house, his first-hand experience convinced me that Israel is overstepping its bounds.
Obama is going to have a hard time with the Jewish vote, because of his speech against the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, and a call to return the borders of Israel to the pre 1967 position. This is the current UN Resolution for the peace agreement back in the 1967 war, but Israel has refused to comply.
Also, with Romney promising Netanyahu everything including support for Jerusalem as the Capital, the Jewish lobby has turned against Obama and I've seen in other forums the negative propaganda in Jewish News publications showing that the are supporting Romney.
Americans must face the truth in that any candidate that does not support Israel fully, will never be elected or re-elected. Jimmy Carter and Pat Buchanan learned the lesson the hard way.
My fear is that if Romney gets elected, Netanyahu will sucker him into attacking Iran, just as Bush was suckered into attacking Iraq.
Jim
Arab preparations
On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai, including all of its seven divisions (four infantry, two armored and one mechanized), four independent infantry brigades and four independent armored brigades. No fewer than a third of them were veterans of Egypt's intervention into the Yemen Civil War and another third were reservists. These forces had 950 tanks, 1,100 APCs and more than 1,000 artillery pieces.[64]
At the same time some Egyptian troops (15,00020,000) were still fighting in Yemen.[65][66][67] Nasser's ambivalence about his goals and objectives was reflected in his orders to the military. The general staff changed the operational plan four times in May 1967, each change requiring the redeployment of troops, with the inevitable toll on both men and vehicles.[68]
Towards the end of May, Nasser finally forbade the general staff from proceeding with the Qahir ("Victory") plan, which called for a light infantry screen in the forward fortifications with the bulk of the forces held back to conduct a massive counterattack against the main Israeli advance when identified, and ordered a forward defense of the Sinai.[68] In the meantime, he continued to take actions intended to increase the level of mobilization of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, in order to bring pressure on Israel.
Syria's army had a total strength of 75,000 and amassed them along the Syrian border.[69] Jordan's army had 55,000 troops[70] and 300 tanks along the Jordanian border, 250 of which were U.S. M48 Patton, sizable amounts of M113 APCs, a new battalion of mechanized infantry, and a paratrooper battalion trained in the new U.S.-built school. They also had 12 battalions of artillery and six batteries of 81 mm and 120 mm mortars.[71]
Documents captured by the Israelis from various Jordanian command posts record orders from the end of May for the Hashemite Brigade to capture Ramot Burj Bir Mai'in in a night raid, codenamed "Operation Khaled". The aim was to establish a bridgehead together with positions in Latrun for an armored capture of Lod and Ramle. The "go" codeword was Sa'ek and end was Nasser. The Jordanians planned for the capture of Motza and Sha'alvim in the strategic Jerusalem Corridor. Motza was tasked to Infantry Brigade 27 camped near Ma'ale Adummim: "The reserve brigade will commence a nighttime infiltration onto Motza, will destroy it to the foundation, and won't leave a remnant or refugee from among its 800 residents".[71]
100 Iraqi tanks and an infantry division were readied near the Jordanian border. Two squadrons of fighter-aircraft, Hawker Hunters and MiG 21, were rebased adjacent to the Jordanian border.[71]
On June 2, Jordan called up all reserve officers, and the West Bank commander met with community leaders in Ramallah to request assistance and cooperation for his troops during the war, assuring them that "in three days we'll be in Tel-Aviv".[71]
The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots from the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war.[72]
Jim, how did the post 1967 borders come about ? I will save you the time Jim.
Israel launched a preemptive attack:
It's kinda of like how liberals don't think babies in the womb have a right to exist.True. If someone doesn't even agree with the basic right that you exist or have a right to exist' as well as constantly reminding the Jewish people that they face annihilation, then everything else is off the table.