They Denied Him 3 Times

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I am dumfounded, what I just heard is incredulous. A local Radio Host on WBZ Dan Rea, he is truly middle of the road. He even advocates gay marriage. But what he just said, blew me away.

The Mayor of LA had to formally do a YEA or NEA basically as a formality to adding the word God and Jerusalem back into the Democrat platform. I think everyone now knows they took the word God out and took out that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

On the first call, the crowd jeered , booed and hissed. The Mayor was stuttering. He then asked for a 2nd motion. The crowed roared for NEA even louder. I swear, I just hard it. Then the Mayor trying to coach the delegates, asked for a 3rd vote, they roared, booed and jeered a 3rd time. One person stated, that the Mayor stood there dumfounded. It is all on tape and available.


The talk on the floor from some Democrat delegates was:

"There was no discussion. We didn't even see it coming. We were blindsided by it," said Noor Ul-Hasan, a Muslim delegate from Salt Lake City, who questioned whether the convention had enough of a quorum to even amend the platform.
"The majority spoke last night," said Angela Urrea, a delegate from Roy, Utah. "We shouldn't be declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."
Jerusalem And God Vote Gets Booed At Dem Convention | RealClearPolitics

It is on all the sites right now, if this link doesn't fit your ideology. It was rtandom on my part.



Dan Rea and many of the Liberal callers now, are saying they are appalled.
 

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Quite a few Jewish Bostonian s have called, and he is going to have big problems with the Jewish vote. The sad thing is, I don't think it will affect the Christian-Catholic vote. I think the Catholic body in the US no longer as a group, cares any about moral issues.

We vote for abortion, we vote gainst our own issues, we believe in nothing. I am not talking about whether the Mass is Tridentine or whether the alter is facing this way or that. I feel the substance of our faith is lost. That substance is Christ Jesus.
 
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I would have to listen to the video before forming an opinion.

I, too, have my doubts about Jerusalem being the Israeli capitol. I think that the only way we will ever have peace in the Holy Land is if the rights of Palestinians are recognized and Israeli human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip end.

If we want to do something about preventing Iran from going nuclear, we have to work for peace in Israel.

And yes, I have sympathy for the Jewish people, who have been persecuted throughout the ages, but in 1967 they stole land that had not been granted to them in 1949 and they have never given it back.

I acknowledge that my feelings have been affected by knowing a young man who spent several summers in Israel--and he said that not only are Palestinians mistreated and harassed daily, but also that many Israelis wish their government would follow the route of diplomacy rather than hostility.
 
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I would have to listen to the video before forming an opinion.

I, too, have my doubts about Jerusalem being the Israeli capitol. I think that the only way we will ever have peace in the Holy Land is if the rights of Palestinians are recognized and Israeli human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip end.

If we want to do something about preventing Iran from going nuclear, we have to work for peace in Israel.

And yes, I have sympathy for the Jewish people, who have been persecuted throughout the ages, but in 1967 they stole land that had not been granted to them in 1949 and they have never given it back.

I acknowledge that my feelings have been affected by knowing a young man who spent several summers in Israel--and he said that not only are Palestinians mistreated and harassed daily, but also that many Israelis wish their government would follow the route of diplomacy rather than hostility.

I am not accusing you, but I feel that there is a lot of veiled antisemitism in the liberal movement, meaning worldwide.

Can you expound on your feelings that they put the word God back in ?

I hope you listen to the audio. I listened 3 times. Like I said, Dan Rea is no right winger. He is a TV, Radio host and a lawyer from Boston college. He is well liked and respected in he liberal community. He played the audio over several times, then opened up the phones. Thedre is no mistake. The Mayor from California even tried to coach the delegates, they didn't bite. 3 times they held the voice vote. He even lied, and said, the YEAS win after 3 votes. :D
 
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Fantine said:
I would have to listen to the video before forming an opinion.

I, too, have my doubts about Jerusalem being the Israeli capitol. I think that the only way we will ever have peace in the Holy Land is if the rights of Palestinians are recognized and Israeli human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip end.

If we want to do something about preventing Iran from going nuclear, we have to work for peace in Israel.

And yes, I have sympathy for the Jewish people, who have been persecuted throughout the ages, but in 1967 they stole land that had not been granted to them in 1949 and they have never given it back.

I acknowledge that my feelings have been affected by knowing a young man who spent several summers in Israel--and he said that not only are Palestinians mistreated and harassed daily, but also that many Israelis wish their government would follow the route of diplomacy rather than hostility.

The whole nuclear weapons thing with Iran has nothing to do with peace in Israel. When someone's threatening to wipe you out of existence, simply righting the wrongs of the past won't fix it.
 
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The whole nuclear weapons thing with Iran has nothing to do with peace in Israel. When someone's threatening to wipe you out of existence, simply righting the wrongs of the past won't fix it.

True. If someone doesn't even agree with the basic right that you exist or have a right to exist' as well as constantly reminding the Jewish people that they face annihilation, then everything else is off the table.
 
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True. If someone doesn't even agree with the basic right that you exist or have a right to exist' as well as constantly reminding the Jewish people that they face annihilation, then everything else is off the table.

The point is that Israel has been a nuclear power for years, and many Israeli government officials are very militaristic. In this article published yesterday they are talking about drawing a line in the sand and expressing dissatisfaction with international efforts.

Israeli security cabinet meeting adjourned due to leaks on secret Iran strategy talks - The Washington Post

Israel is the fourth largest lobby in the U.S.

I don't think any liberals are disputing Israel's right to the land they were given by the international community in 1949, and they are committed to defending them. They are concerned about the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, including East Jerusalem.

The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories which have been designated as occupied territory by the United Nations and other international organizations, governments and others to refer to the territory seized by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem; the Gaza Strip, (though Israel disputes this and argues that since the implementation of its disengagement from Gaza in 2005 it no longer occupies the territory); much of the Golan Heights; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or "Occupied Palestinian Territory". The Palestinian Authority, the EU,[1] the International Court of Justice,[2] the UN General Assembly[3] and the UN Security Council[4] consider East Jerusalem to be part of the West Bank and occupied by Israel; Israel considers all of Jerusalem to be its capital and sovereign territory.

Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[5][6] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation". The International Court of Justice,[2] the UN General Assembly[3] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[7]

Israeli-occupied territories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My consciousness was raised by a young man who had spent several summers in Israel (until he was apprehended by Israeli police, driven to the Egyptian border, thrown out of the country, and banned for 8 years). He worked with Palestinians and also with Israelis who disagree with the militaristic solutions of their leaders. I interviewed him for an article, and invited him to speak at a group I belonged to. In our long conversation at a coffee house, his first-hand experience convinced me that Israel is overstepping its bounds.
 
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I just listened to the voice vote on this ABC video.

Democrats Rapidly Revise Platform to Include "God" - ABC News

The propositions about God and Jerusalem were combined (see video). I believe that Jerusalem was the sticking point, because East Jerusalem is an occupied territory seized illegally by the Israelis in 1967, and significant human rights violations take place there every day.

In my opinion, the two propositions should have been voted on separately when brought up, especially when it seemed as if no 2/3 majority was reached. But I don't look at it as a vote against God.

I look at the "nay-sayers" as a vote against people trying to lay claim to God's support for things that God would not support.
 
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I am not accusing you, but I feel that there is a lot of veiled antisemitism in the liberal movement, meaning worldwide.

Its called anti-Zionism. A noble movement that stands by our Arabic Christian brethern in occupied Palestine.

Its a popular pastime over here in Europe...:)
 
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The cleverest remark on Wednesday's fiasco at the DNC...
Yesterday, the DNC had to pretend it had a 2/3 vote to assert that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and for the inclusion of the phrase, “God-given gifts” into their national platform, because three attempts to vote couldn’t bring it. Whether it was the “God” language or the “Jerusalem” language they resisted more is hard to say.
 
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The cleverest remark on Wednesday's fiasco at the DNC...
Yesterday, the DNC had to pretend it had a 2/3 vote to assert that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and for the inclusion of the phrase, “God-given gifts” into their national platform, because three attempts to vote couldn’t bring it. Whether it was the “God” language or the “Jerusalem” language they resisted more is hard to say.
 
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Quite a few Jewish Bostonian s have called, and he is going to have big problems with the Jewish vote. The sad thing is, I don't think it will affect the Christian-Catholic vote. I think the Catholic body in the US no longer as a group, cares any about moral issues.

We vote for abortion, we vote gainst our own issues, we believe in nothing. I am not talking about whether the Mass is Tridentine or whether the alter is facing this way or that. I feel the substance of our faith is lost. That substance is Christ Jesus.


Obama is going to have a hard time with the Jewish vote, because of his speech against the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, and a call to return the borders of Israel to the pre 1967 position. This is the current UN Resolution for the peace agreement back in the 1967 war, but Israel has refused to comply.

Also, with Romney promising Netanyahu everything including support for Jerusalem as the Capital, the Jewish lobby has turned against Obama and I've seen in other forums the negative propaganda in Jewish News publications showing that the are supporting Romney.

Americans must face the truth in that any candidate that does not support Israel fully, will never be elected or re-elected. Jimmy Carter and Pat Buchanan learned the lesson the hard way.

My fear is that if Romney gets elected, Netanyahu will sucker him into attacking Iran, just as Bush was suckered into attacking Iraq.


Jim
 
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I am amazed that when land is won "fair and square" in a war, it is termed "illegal".

Fair and square in a war? So, might makes right? All you need is superior firepower, and you can wipe out the natives and claim it as yours? That's pretty far from any moral teaching I've ever heard. Seriously, that might be the worst thing I've ever read on a Catholic or Christian forum.
 
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What exactly is "fair and square" about one country invading another's territory?

"Fair and square war" is an oxymoron.

No country should ever be able to establish its capitol on illegally seized territories.

But this helps me to understand how you understand the concept of fairness.
 
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TheOtherHockeyMom said:
Fair and square in a war? So, might makes right? All you need is superior firepower, and you can wipe out the natives and claim it as yours? That's pretty far from any moral teaching I've ever heard. Seriously, that might be the worst thing I've ever read on a Catholic or Christian forum.

That's conservatism in a nutshell: "Might makes right."

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And the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern countries are so innocent, right?

http://www.aish.com/jw/me/48906592.html?mobile=yes

Though the link is older and not up to date, it illustrates what Israel faces as a nation. Israel isn't the only one at fault; stop acting like it is.
 
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