Sabbath and the New Covenant

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Deut 5:22 - God spoke these TEN words and "added no more".

Jeremiah's readers would know that - and they would know that gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised so as to be saved - even though gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6-8:thumbsup:
Very true...
 
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BobRyan said:

Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.
In the Bible God says "to the one that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4:17
In the Bible God says that accountability is according to what one knows Luke 12:45-48

". 45 But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will take a long time to come,’ and he begins to beat the other slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in two, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

"From the least important of them to the most important,
all of them will know me." Amen

Leaf - do you view yourself as one who knows or who does not know - ??

John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Those who were with Him from the Pharisees heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains
"...I know who I have believed in."

 
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God added no more to the 10, but it looks like there's more than that in the law of God
Yes, like the laws of Love. There is no command in the ten to love, they are all about duty to God and man. Well, we don't have to worry about the ten anyway because they ended when the new covenant was ratified at Calvary with the blood of Our Savior Jesus Christ. 2Cor3:6-11 told the Jews the ten were temporary. Gentiles have never been under them.
 
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Yes, like the laws of Love. There is no command in the ten to love, they are all about duty to God and man. Well, we don't have to worry about the ten anyway because they ended when the new covenant was ratified at Calvary with the blood of Our Savior Jesus Christ. 2Cor3:6-11 told the Jews the ten were temporary. Gentiles have never been under them.
Sounds good to me :)
 
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BobRyan said:

Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.
In the New Covenant, God is the one doing the "putting" and the "writing" in the minds and hearts.
In the Bible God says "to the one that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4:17
In the Bible God says that accountability is according to what one knows Luke 12:45-48

". 45 But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will take a long time to come,’ and he begins to beat the other slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in two, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

Leaf - do you view yourself as one who knows or who does not know - ??

John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Those who were with Him from the Pharisees heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains
"...I know who I have believed in."

So then you do not feel comfortable answering the question?
 
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Yes, like the laws of Love. There is no command in the ten to love
Christ said "ALL THE LAW and the prophets" (that would INCLUDE the TEN) are based on the OT commandments of Love found in
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument "is with the text".
we don't have to worry about the ten anyway because they ended when the new covenant was ratified at Calvary
Until you actually read the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) where we find that the Law of God is written on the heart for the born-again believers.

Instead of "don't worry about honoring parents and don't be concerned with the command against taking God's name in vain".
Your argument is "with the text".

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),
Our Savior Jesus Christ. 2Cor3:6-11 told the Jews the ten were temporary.
It does not say that - which is why you almost never quote it.

So then - how nice that we have a thread dedicated to actually "quoting" it - so all can see why some might not wish to quote it.
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BobRyan said:

Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.

In the Bible God says "to the one that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4:17
In the Bible God says that accountability is according to what one knows Luke 12:45-48

". 45 But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will take a long time to come,’ and he begins to beat the other slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in two, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

Leaf - do you view yourself as one who knows or who does not know - ??

John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Those who were with Him from the Pharisees heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains
So then you do not feel comfortable answering the question?
Please see my response in post #122:
 
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Then he goes into the New Testament..
The Sabbath and God's "rest" are not mutually exclusive, but rather, they are complementary. Insofar as keeping the seventh day Sabbath expresses and helps maintain belief in God (see below), it contributes to the experience of entering God's rest. Therefore, when God offered his "rest" to the Israelites, he offered the Sabbath along with it. The Sabbath was supposed to be part of God's "rest" and there is no indication in the Bible that this has changed.
At first glance, Colossians 2:16-17 could appear to contradict the conclusion which I reached from exegesis of Hebrews 4. Colossians 2:16-17 reads:
2:16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths.
2:17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

In verse 17, "shadow" means "temporary type." So does this mean that the "sabbaths" mentioned in verse 16 functioned as temporary types?

The issue here is ritual observance of special holy days. "Festivals, new moons, or sabbaths" inverts the order found in Numbers 28-29, where the calendar of ritual offerings on holy days includes offerings on Sabbaths (Num 28:9-10), new moons (Num 28:11-15) and festivals (Num 28:16-29:40). These offerings were part of the Israelite worship system. But it was the rituals performed on the days, not the days themselves, which functioned as the types. Notice that in Colossians 2:17, the pronoun "These" identifies the shadowy things as the list in verse 16: "food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths" in verse 16. Along with food and drink, which in this context must be religious in nature because they have typological significance, it is ritual observance(10) of the festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths which constitutes the "shadow"/type; it is not the days themselves. There is no evidence that new moon days, for example, had typological significance of their own; it was the special sacrifices offered on new moon days (Num 28:11-15) which served as a "shadow."

In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul affirms the same basic message which was decided at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15): People do not need to practice the Jewish rituals in order to be Christians. The rituals were historical types pointing forward to the better, truly efficacious ministry of Jesus Christ, which has already begun and to which our focus should be directed....As a sign of the on-going dependence of human beings upon their Creator and his work, the seventh day Sabbath continues to have significance for the "new covenant." The fact that the Sabbath functioned during the "old covenant" period does not mean that the Sabbath became obsolete with that covenant. Rather, there is a sense in which the significance of the Sabbath is restored under the "new covenant."

When God reaffirmed the Sabbath for Israel, the Sabbath was more than a commandment; according to Exodus 31:13,17 (cp. Ezek 20:12), the Sabbath functioned as a sign of the covenant relationship by which he sanctified the Israelites. This function applied to Israel a principle which had been inherent in the Sabbath since Creation. On the seventh day of Creation, God sanctified the Sabbath (Gen 2:2-3), a unit of time. Why? In order to affect those who observe this special time. How would they be affected? They would emulate their holy Creator and acknowledge their on-going connection with him. Because they would belong to God, who is intrinsically holy, they would gain holiness from him. In other words, the Sabbath would be a sign that God makes people holy, just as God explicitly said in Exodus 31:13 with particular reference to the Israelites. From the beginning, his desire has been for all people to enjoy a holy relationship with him.

The divine-human relationship signified by the Sabbath is one in which human beings are dependent upon God and his work. Thus, those who rest on the Sabbath acknowledge ". . . that I, the LORD, sanctify you . . ." (Exod 31:13) and "that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth" (vs. 17). The Sabbath is not simply the immovable "birthday of the world"; it recognizes the dependence of the world, and more particularly the human beings who have dominion over the world, on God who created the world....
When it comes to the law in the New Covenant, I like this approach

 
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Why would anyone need to be "preached" to about the Sabbath if it is one of the ten commandments you tell us is righten in our hearts????
Bob, are you indicating you do not approve of God's Law. All through the OT Israel was required to write the Law on their own heart, which is another way of saying they were required to ENTER in to the covenant. Approval as well as compliance, enthusiasm, and this is still required. Jeremiah's new covenant, where God writes the Law on the minds of men, is where the fruition of the new covenant has men being raised incorruptible on the Last day.
 
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Christ said "ALL THE LAW and the prophets" (that would INCLUDE the TEN) are based on the OT commandments of Love found in
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument "is with the text".
How can you not admit there is not one word in all of the ten commandments about the Israelites being asked to love God or their fellow man? The stuff you write is nonsense.
 
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Yes, like the laws of Love. There is no command in the ten to love
Christ said "ALL THE LAW and the prophets" (that would INCLUDE the TEN) are based on the OT commandments of Love found in
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument "is with the text".
How can you not admit there is not one word in all of the ten commandments about the Israelites being asked to love God
How can you not admit that Jesus said all the law and the prophets are founded on the foundations of Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18?
Your argument is with the text
The stuff you write is nonsense.
that is a fluff ad hominem argument. Make a point. State an actual fact.
 
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Christ said "ALL THE LAW and the prophets" (that would INCLUDE the TEN) are based on the OT commandments of Love found in
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument "is with the text".
There is no law in the ten to love. Read them and quit making excuses with texts that have no bearing on the issue.
How can you not admit that Jesus said all the law and the prophets are founded on the foundations of Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18?
Your argument is with the text

that is a fluff ad hominem argument. Make a point. State an actual fact.
There is no law in the ten to love. Read them and quit making excuses with texts that have no bearing on the issue.
 
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