Question for my Democratic friends

[Bradskii]

I just posted it, they were "backing a New York City rally in support of Saturday’s Palestinian terror onslaught against Israelis"
and the quote was "Take to the streets to join a protest.”

It looks like I'll have to keep repeating this: So there are no quotes from Democrats supporting the actions of Hamas. To quote from your own link:

'The New York branch of the Democratic Socialists of America advertised the event and expressed “solidarity with the Palestinian people and their right to resist.” '

Any mention of Hamas there? Anyone saying that they support Hamas? Any Democrats even involved in that rally? Oh, hang on. The group organising the rally have the word Democratic in their name! Hey, that's close enough for some people. Good grief. They're a socialist organisation. You'll next be complaining that Kim Jong Un supports Hamas. And his country is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so he must be connected to Biden.

 

[Valletta]

But no quotes from any of them supporting Hamas.

A lot of people, as has been pointed out, seem to have the greatest difficulty in understanding basic compassion for people who are caught up in this mess and support for one or other of the combatants. It cannot surely be a lack of compassion for the people who are being killed. A dead child is a dead child whichever side of a line on a map it used to live. So I will not believe it is a lack of compassion.

So it then becomes simple ignorance or a case of using civilian deaths to make a political point. I really hope it's the former. But as we have seen all too often, it's not.

Black Lives Matter org praises Hamas, sparks backlash

"As a radical Black organization grounded in abolitionist ideals, we see clear parallels between Black and Palestinian people," the BLM Grassroots chapter said.

www.newsweek.com

 

[childeye 2]

I still do - why do you support a people group who embrace everything you are against?

I've already answered how that's possible. People can have compassion for the plight of both Israelis and Palestinians without supporting either their beliefs or actions, just like Jesus could show compassion for sinners without supporting their sinfulness.

 

[childeye 2]

You'll next be complaining that Kim Jong Un supports Hamas. And his country is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so he must be connected to Biden.

"Democratic". Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes it's a phony. I feel compassion for the plight of North Koreans too. It doesn't mean I support the autocratic beliefs or actions of Kim Jong Un.

 

[Bradskii]

Black Lives Matter org praises Hamas, sparks backlash

"As a radical Black organization grounded in abolitionist ideals, we see clear parallels between Black and Palestinian people," the BLM Grassroots chapter said.

www.newsweek.com

You said you had evidence of Democrats supporting Hamas. You have shown us nothing. You have posted I don't know how many links, none of which said anything of the sort. One even by a group which wasn't supporting Hamas just because it had the word Democratic in it. Desperate stuff indeed.

I'm now leaving you to it. I'll waste no more time on this fool's errand.

 

[essentialsaltes]

. nevermind

 

[Valletta]

You said you had evidence of Democrats supporting Hamas. You have shown us nothing. You have posted I don't know how many links, none of which said anything of the sort. One even by a group which wasn't supporting Hamas just because it had the word Democratic in it. Desperate stuff indeed.

I'm now leaving you to it. I'll waste no more time on this fool's errand.

If you didn't want to see the documentation you should not have asked.

 

[FireDragon76]

Something I don't understand.

My Democratic friends have always taken a strong position against racist, The territory was Israel's to begin with homophobic, transphobic, anti- LGBTQ, misogynistic, and anti-Semitic groups. And that is a fair and respectable position.

Considering that - why do so many Democratic leaning groups - BlackLivesMatter - Democratic Socialist of America and several Democratic Congress members openly supporting Hamas?

It doesn't make sense to me.

What Democrats actually support Hamas? I haven't met any, and I've been a lifelong Democrat (the only time I didn't vote Democrat was in 1996).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Could you maybe find a quote from someone or whatever it was that led you to this conclusion?

Opinion | The Marxian Roots of Campus Anti-Semitism

The left can’t behold Israel’s prosperity without concluding that the Jews have stolen their wealth from their neighbors.

www.wsj.com

Hope this helps you..

 

[iluvatar5150]

92% of Palestinians support honor killing of their children

96% of Palestinians support putting homosexuals in jail or executing them

*already shown in prior posts

No, those weren't shown in prior posts. The chart you showed in post 40 said that 8% of Palestinians think honor killings are acceptable, not 92%.

You read the chart backwards.

As to 96% supporting the jailing and/or execution of homosexuals, I can't find anything in this thread where that point was even raised. It certainly wasn't in the stuff you posted.

100% of Palestinians support the complete elimination of the Jews.

98% of Palestinians support Sharia law

No - no conflation here.

Where are you getting these numbers?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Opinion | The Marxian Roots of Campus Anti-Semitism

The left can’t behold Israel’s prosperity without concluding that the Jews have stolen their wealth from their neighbors.

www.wsj.com

Hope this helps you..

Sorry, but the paywall doesn’t help me. Any specific quotes from the article you found particularly convincing?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sorry, but the paywall doesn’t help me. Any specific quotes from the article you found particularly convincing?

Wasn't the article that convinced me, I found that for you since you wanted an article.

It's knowing the teachings that makes me convinced, and clearly I'm not alone in my thought processes.

Have a good day.

 

[Valletta]

What Democrats actually support Hamas? I haven't met any, and I've been a lifelong Democrat (the only time I didn't vote Democrat was in 1996).

Do you think all of the Hamas supporters are MAGA?

 

[FireDragon76]

Do you think all of the Hamas supporters are MAGA?

No.

Middle Eastern politics doesn't bracket well within America's left-right political spectrum. Hamas are reactionary religious nationalists. They have no real friends among the European and American Left.

 

[FireDragon76]

I did not say all Democrats - I quite plainly said some - even named them. No propaganda - no slander. Inconvenient observation at best.

I haven't heard of any members of Congress supporting Hamas.

Keep in mind Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is not a Democrat. She merely caucases with Democrats. Bernie Sanders also isn't a Democrat.

Bernie Sanders has been critical of Israel, but being critical of Israeli policies is not the same as supporting Hamas. I have never heard any statements of Ms. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez that could be construed as supporting Hamas. Hamas is very far from AOC's politics.

 

[FireDragon76]

Solidarity with a group is supporting the group.

Need I post a definition?

The mistake you are making is conflating Palestinians in Gaza with Hamas. Not all Palestinians are supporters of Hamas. In fact, in Gaza, Hamas has a high unfavorable rating in polls. But Hamas doesn't allow elections in Gaza, they govern as a military dictatorship.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Keep in mind Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is not a Democrat. She merely caucases with Democrats.

Yes, she is.

 

[hislegacy]

The mistake you are making is conflating Palestinians in Gaza with Hamas. Not all Palestinians are supporters of Hamas. In fact, in Gaza, Hamas has a high unfavorable rating in polls. But Hamas doesn't allow elections in Gaza, they govern as a military dictatorship.

Name one opposition group within Palestine. Show one Article from a Muslim Palestinian resident speaking out against Hamas. Not someone who has fled the horror, but someone on the ground living there.

When was the last Palestinian demonstration against Hamas?

Why are Palestinians NOT protesting against Hamas? Is it possible it is because they agree with their goals and ideals? Like exterminating the Jews?

The teach their children to hate Jews first then Homosexuals etc. This isn't Hamas - this is the Palestinians. Hamas is the militant arm of what they believe.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Name one opposition group within Palestine.

Fatah.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Name one opposition group within Palestine. Show one Article from a Muslim Palestinian resident speaking out against Hamas. Not someone who has fled the horror, but someone on the ground living there.

Palestinians vent against Hamas in rare online event

It is rare to hear criticism of Hamas in Gaza, but Palestinians have found a way to air their anger.

www.bbc.com

Hamas must end brutal crackdown against protesters in Gaza

Hundreds of protesters have been subjected to beatings, arbitrary arrest and detentions, and torture and other forms of ill-treatment since 14 March, when Palestinians took to the streets across the Gaza Strip.

www.amnesty.org

Hamas violently suppresses Gaza economic protests

Gaza’s rulers, who back Israeli border protests, accused of using force against dissent

www.theguardian.com

Desperate Gazans protest against Hamas

Desperate Gaza residents are so poor, hungry and desperate that they no longer fear demonstrating against powerful Hamas.

www.al-monitor.com

A quick google search with the timeline filter set to before the current conflict started shows separate protests in 2018, 2019, and 2022. I won't claim to have some deep understanding of the situation there, but given how easy it was for me to find multiple articles about multiple incidents, I have to wonder if you even bothered looking before making this claim.

When was the last Palestinian demonstration against Hamas?

In person, no longer ago than 2019.

Why are Palestinians NOT protesting against Hamas? Is it possible it is because they agree with their goals and ideals? Like exterminating the Jews?

Why aren't you out protesting things done by your government? Is it because you agree with them or because you have other things to do with your life?