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Who voted Hamas into power? The Palestinians that is who

Who support the Hamas upwards of 95%? The Palestinians that is who

Who agree to live in a Sharia state? The Palestinians that is who

Who rejoiced in the streets at the killing of over 1,000 Jews? The Palestinians that is who

Who joined Hamas militants in slaughtering families in Israel? The Palestinians that is who

Who give aid and comfort to Hamas? The Palestinians that is who

Who are racist to the Jews and openly call for their elimination? The Palestinians that is who

Who are misogynistic towards women? The Palestinians that is who.

Who supports the execution of Gays? The Palestinians that is who.

Who supports their government spending so much money on weapons that they do not have and adequate infrastructure or food supply? The Palestinians that is who.

Who doesn't allow LGBTQ a voice in their country? The Palestinians that is who.


The group of people who put Hamas into power - openly support them - rejoice at the killing of innocent people because of their religion - demonstrate open hatred towards homosexuals. Bear the same responsibility as the ones they put into power.

This was plainly shown with Germany, Italy and Japan during WW2.
The midst of all this angst, and animosity, we must remember that there is still hope that the best of our tendencies overcomes the worst of our tendencies. That the worst thing that we can do is dehumanization, and by that I mean relinquishing our own humanity as well as denying it to others. The blatant erasure and rampant dehumanization of Palestinians as a theme out there is what bothers me most.
 
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The midst of all this angst, and animosity, we must remember that there is still hope that the best of our tendencies overcomes the worst of our tendencies. That the worst thing that we can do is dehumanization, and by that I mean relinquishing our own humanity as well as denying it to others. The blatant erasure and rampant dehumanization of Palestinians as a theme out there is what bothers me most.
And their dehumanization of the Jews? How do you feel about that? Did they consider their humanity as they raped the woman and children? How about as they decapitated babies - what part of their humanity were they in touch with? How about their hatred of gays? Any humanity there? or honor killings? What part of humanity allows you to slaughter your own child because they do something you don't like? (like becoming a Christian).
 
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Or do you think we should support the Germans, because not all were Nazi's.

Yes, I'm glad we supported Marlene Dietrich, Albert Einstein and many other Germans who were not Nazis.

Do my friends even know who they are defending?
At least you're being honest now that it is not about Hamas at all. It's just black-and-white thinking about all Palestinians.
 
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Yes, I'm glad we supported Marlene Dietrich, Albert Einstein and many other Germans who were not Nazis.
You are responding in part to my posts - but not directly answering a repeated question. I'm wondering why?
At least you're being honest now that it is not about Hamas at all.

I said no such thing, the two are intertwined - they have mutual goals and actions.

I've never accused you of being dishonest, I would be grateful if you would do the same with me - thanks
 
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And their dehumanization of the Jews? How do you feel about that? Did they consider their humanity as they raped the woman and children? How about as they decapitated babies - what part of their humanity were they in touch with? How about their hatred of gays? Any humanity there? or honor killings? What part of humanity allows you to slaughter your own child because they do something you don't like? (like becoming a Christian).
That was Hamas that did those things and they’ve rightly been condemned for it. You keep mixing up Hamas with the Palestinians and I don’t think that’s by mistake. I can also pull up examples of atrocities committed by IDF soldiers towards innocents in Gaza and use it to lay blame to everyone on the side supporting Israel after the senseless attacks on them but that wouldn’t be fair either.
 
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You are responding in part to my posts - but not directly answering a repeated question. I'm wondering why?


I said no such thing, the two are intertwined - they have mutual goals and actions.

I've never accused you of being dishonest, I would be grateful if you would do the same with me - thanks
You're conflating terms and sentiments thereby creating a false premise, which is why you think the Democrats are supporting things they say they're against. Democrats are Humans and therefore can have compassion for both Israelis and Palestinians without there being any contradiction.
 
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You're conflating terms and sentiments thereby creating a false premise, which is why you think the Democrats are supporting things they say they're against. Democrats are Humans and therefore can have compassion for both Israelis and Palestinians without there being any contradiction.
92% of Palestinians support honor killing of their children

96% of Palestinians support putting homosexuals in jail or executing them

*already shown in prior posts

100% of Palestinians support the complete elimination of the Jews.

98% of Palestinians support Sharia law

No - no conflation here.
 
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92% of Palestinians support honor killing of their children

96% of Palestinians support putting homosexuals in jail or executing them

*already shown in prior posts

100% of Palestinians support the complete elimination of the Jews.

98% of Palestinians support Sharia law

No - no conflation here.
OK, you're not conflating The Palestinians with Hamas. You're just talking about Palestinians.

If you rewrote your OP without the word Hamas, maybe you'd get more sensible answers to your question. As it is, no one you have named and no one in this thread "openly supports Hamas".
 
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OK, you're not conflating The Palestinians with Hamas. You're just talking about Palestinians.

If you rewrote your OP without the word Hamas, maybe you'd get more sensible answers to your question. As it is, no one you have named and no one in this thread "openly supports Hamas".
Still no reply to the eleven points? Why is that?
 
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92% of Palestinians support honor killing of their children
There's no evidence that any Republicans or Democrats support honor killing their children.
96% of Palestinians support putting homosexuals in jail or executing them
I've already written about this. You're conflating being Palestinian with an interpretation of sharia law. There's no evidence that any Republican or Democrat supports Sharia law. Also, there's a big difference between a belief in a strict punishment against Homosexuality in a religious law and "homophobia" as applied in American political discourse. You're confusing the two.
100% of Palestinians support the complete elimination of the Jews.
There's no evidence that any Republicans or Democrats support the complete elimination of the Jews.
98% of Palestinians support Sharia law
All of your conjecture above is about a strict adherence to an interpretation of Islam. There's no evidence that Republicans or Democrats are for this strict interpretation of Islamic law.
No - no conflation here.
Yes - conflation IS here; Your post shows that you conflate Palestinians supporting sharia law with Democrats support for Palestinians thereby confusing compassion for Palestinians with supporting Islamic law. You're reasoning on a false premise (propaganda) which explains how you end up wondering why Democrats (a political party in America) supports what they say they are against.
 
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Because of the media coverage organizations and individual Democrats must keep up appearances, but those who call for a "cease-fire" are pro-Hamas. It would be like calling for a cease fire after 9/11. Their initial responses are closest to what they believe. See the article below:

Tlaib has denounced the actions of both Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, and Israel in responding to the attack, accusing both sides of war crimes. She has said her main concern is the further loss of life to innocent civilians, especially children. But she has been sharply criticized for an initial statement that placed at least partial blame for the attack on Israel's blockade of Gaza, in place since 2007.
"I don’t know what else to say (to American officials) other than please turn on the TV, see what’s happening, don’t turn away," Tlaib said Monday. "All they have to do is see the Palestinians as human beings to see that these are war crimes."
So there are no quotes from Democrats supporting the actions of Hamas. I'm glad we could clarify that.
 
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There's no evidence that any Republicans or Democrats support honor killing their children.
Never said they did - what I did say is that there are some Democratic organizations and members of Congress who support people who do.
I've already written about this. You're conflating being Palestinian with an interpretation of sharia law. There's no evidence that any Republican or Democrat supports Sharia law.
Never said they did - what I did say is that there are some Democratic organizations and members of Congress who support people who do.
Also, there's a big difference between a belief in a strict punishment against Homosexuality in a religious law and "homophobia" as applied in American political discourse. You're confusing the two.
Not at all - the arresting, imprisoning's and executions of Homosexuals is homophobia at it's height. Whether in the US or any place else. I am not the one confused.
There's no evidence that any Republicans or Democrats support the complete elimination of the Jews.
Never said they did - what I did say is that there are some Democratic organizations and members of Congress who support people who do.
All of your conjecture above is about a strict adherence to an interpretation of Islam. There's no evidence that Republicans or Democrats are for this strict interpretation of Islamic law.
Never said they did - what I did say is that there are some Democratic organizations and members of Congress who support people who do.
Yes - conflation IS here; Your post shows that you conflate Palestinians supporting sharia law with Democrats support for Palestinians thereby confusing compassion for Palestinians with supporting Islamic law.

That is your interpretation - not mine - re read my post.

I am asking why they are supporting a people group who embrace and practice racism, homophobia etc etc. It is a valid question, even if it is uncomfortable.


You created a false premise which explains how you end up wondering why Democrats (a political party in America) supports what they say they are against.
I still do - why do you support a people group who embrace everything you are against?
 
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So there are no quotes from Democrats supporting the actions of Hamas. I'm glad we could clarify that.
Correct - but there are plenty of quotes supporting Palestinians who practice things the Democratic Party is dead set against.
 
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Correct - but there are plenty of quotes supporting Palestinians who practice things the Democratic Party is dead set against.
Agreeing with me is not a requirement for having human rights.
 
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So there are no quotes from Democrats supporting the actions of Hamas. I'm glad we could clarify that.
Incorrect. Many of the groups and individuals received backlash from other Democrats--most people find the butchering of babies repugnant so it is politically savvy to back off and propose a ceasefire and state there has been long standing disagreement between Israel and Palestinians, go back in history, anything to point away from the savagery. Many groups eventually re-stated their positions. See my highlighting of the article below:

The progressive Democratic Socialists of America organization was harshly condemned by other US Democrats on Sunday for backing a New York City rally in support of Saturday’s Palestinian terror onslaught against Israelis.
You can read their words in this article quotation:

In response to criticism, the national chapter of DSA doubled down, saying the Hamas attack was “not unprovoked,” adding: “Take to the streets to join a protest.”
 
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Many of the groups and individuals received backlash from other Democrats...
But no quotes from any of them supporting Hamas.

A lot of people, as has been pointed out, seem to have the greatest difficulty in understanding basic compassion for people who are caught up in this mess and support for one or other of the combatants. It cannot surely be a lack of compassion for the people who are being killed. A dead child is a dead child whichever side of a line on a map it used to live. So I will not believe it is a lack of compassion.

So it then becomes simple ignorance or a case of using civilian deaths to make a political point. I really hope it's the former. But as we have seen all too often, it's not.
 
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Something I don't understand.

My Democratic friends have always taken a strong position against racist, The territory was Israel's to begin with homophobic, transphobic, anti- LGBTQ, misogynistic, and anti-Semitic groups. And that is a fair and respectable position.

Considering that - why do so many Democratic leaning groups - BlackLivesMatter - Democratic Socialist of America and several Democratic Congress members openly supporting Hamas?

It doesn't make sense to me.

I’ve yet to see anybody meeting that description openly supporting Hamas…
 
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But no quotes from any of them supporting Hamas.

A lot of people, as has been pointed out, seem to have the greatest difficulty in understanding basic compassion for people who are caught up in this mess and support for one or other of the combatants. It cannot surely be a lack of compassion for the people who are being killed. A dead child is a dead child whichever side of a line on a map it used to live. So I will not believe it is a lack of compassion.

So it then becomes simple ignorance or a case of using civilian deaths to make a political point. I really hope it's the former. But as we have seen all too often, it's not.
I just posted it, they were "backing a New York City rally in support of Saturday’s Palestinian terror onslaught against Israelis"
and the quote was "Take to the streets to join a protest.”
 
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I just posted it, they were "backing a New York City rally in support of Saturday’s Palestinian terror onslaught against Israelis"

That's what the Times of Israel wrote, sure. They also quoted a lot of elected Democrats who denounced the terrorist attacks, and zero elected Democrats who supported them.
and the quote was "Take to the streets to join a protest.”
And the topic of the protest was "Solidarity with Palestinians" not "support for the Hamas terror attacks".
 
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