"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Loudmouth]

I recall Michael requesting that you demonstrate your wavelength independent claim, but you ran away. So I have no reason to believe you.

Please, show me a peer reviewed reference where they were able to demonstrate a plasma redshift that is wavelength independent.

The reason that Michael is on my ignore list is that he throws a hissy fit whenever someone asks this question, and he is never able to produce a single paper showing a wavelength independent redshift. All of the work in plasma physics shows that the redshift is wavelength dependent. All of it. All he will do is reference more crackpot PU/EC sites, and zero science. Then he will hop over to another thread to talk about how he telepathically communicates with a plasma brain which he thinks is God.

If that's the horse you want to hitch your wagon to, good luck.

 

[Doveaman]

Any lava produced by these events would date to 4,000 years old, or the lower limit of detection for these methods. They would not date to tens or hundreds of millions of years old.

These are lava flows, not just broken pieces of rock stacked onto one another.

Are you saying the whole earth became covered in lava at some point?

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you saying the whole earth became covered in lava at some point?

Why would you ignore what I actually said, and then ask me a question on something that I never said?

We find dinosaur fossils BELOW lava flows. For this to happen, you don't have to cover the entire Earth in lava, just the area where the dinosaur fossils are buried. Last I checked, dinosaurs do not dig through hundreds of feet of basalt and other solidified lava flows when they die. Therefore, finding a lava flow ABOVE the fossils means that the lava flow happened AFTER the dinosaurs were buried.

 

[Doveaman]

Please, show me a peer reviewed reference where they were able to demonstrate a plasma redshift that is wavelength independent.

The reason that Michael is on my ignore list is that he throws a hissy fit whenever someone asks this question, and he is never able to produce a single paper showing a wavelength independent redshift.

He asked you to demonstrate your claims too, which you didn't.

All of the work in plasma physics shows that the redshift is wavelength dependent. All of it. All he will do is reference more crackpot PU/EC sites, and zero science.

The EU/PC model is 100% physics.

The Big Bang model is no more than 5% physics and at least 95% hypotheticals.

Then he will hop over to another thread to talk about how he telepathically communicates with a plasma brain which he thinks is God.

There is more evidence for a universal plasma brain than there is for the Big Bang model which is sustained by hypothetical entities.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

You don't know what omnipotent means do you?

Evidently you do! This is your chance to share this knowledge with the readers of this thread.

 

[Loudmouth]

He asked you to demonstrate your claims too, which you didn't.

They have been demonstrated, over and over and over and over. Every known plasma interaction with light produces a wavelength dependent redshift. Every one. It also scatters light which will cause a blurred image, or an opaque fog at a far enough distance. These are facts which Michael just can't face.

The EU/PC model is 100% physics.

Then where is the plasma redshift mechanism that produces a wavelength independent redshift without changing the path of photons? Where?

The Big Bang model is no more than 5% physics and at least 95% hypotheticals.

It is not hypothetical that there is more mass in galaxies than can be accounted for with luminous matter.

it is not hypothetical that the speed of expansion is accelerating.

There is more evidence for a universal plasma brain than there is for the Big Bang model which is sustained by hypothetical entities.

That's a flat out lie, one that Michael's mental problems force him to repeat. Please don't be like Michael.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

The Big Bang model is no more than 5% physics and at least 95% hypotheticals.

This is probably a rather accurate statement.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is probably a rather accurate statement.

It isn't.

Dark matter is very real. What it is made up of is still under debate, but it's existence is not hypothetical. We can see the gravitational effects of dark matter just like we can of luminous matter. It isn't hypothetical.

Also, the expansion of the universe is [accelerating]. This is what the data shows us. It isn't hypothetical. The placeholder name of the energy causing this expansion is dark energy.

 

[Doveaman]

Why would you ignore what I actually said, and then ask me a question on something that I never said?

We find dinosaur fossils BELOW lava flows. For this to happen, you don't have to cover the entire Earth in lava, just the area where the dinosaur fossils are buried. Last I checked, dinosaurs do not dig through hundreds of feet of basalt and other solidified lava flows when they die. Therefore, finding a lava flow ABOVE the fossils means that the lava flow happened AFTER the dinosaurs were buried.

Okay -- I think AV said something similar -- the basalt rocks were brought to the fossils by floating on top new lava flows. The lava flows then moved over the fossils and continued on, leaving behind the fossils with the basalt rocks on top.

 

[Loudmouth]

Okay -- I think AV said something similar -- the basalt rocks were brought to the fossils by floating on top new lava flows. The lava flows then moved over the fossils and continued on, leaving behind the fossils with the basalt rocks on top.

We find the lava flows on top of the dinosaurs. They didn't move on.

 

[Doveaman]

It isn't.

Dark matter is very real. What it is made up of is still under debate, but it's existence is not hypothetical. We can see the gravitational effects of dark matter just like we can of luminous matter. It isn't hypothetical.

There is deception in that statement.

We do not see any gravitational effects of luminous matter, this is why dark matter is hypothesized to account for the luminous matter we do not see.

Also, the expansion of the universe is [accelerating]. This is what the data shows us. It isn't hypothetical.

The data shows redshift, nothing more. Expansion/acceleration is hypothesized.

The placeholder name of the energy causing this expansion is dark energy.

Dark energy is hypothesized to make sense of the expansion that is hypothesized.

 

[Doveaman]

We find the lava flows on top of the dinosaurs. They didn't move on.

What you found were the old lava flows that had become basalt rock.

The new lava flows (that brought the basalt rocks) had moved on leaving the old lava flows (basalt rocks) behind to cover the fossils.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is deception in that statement.

We do not see any gravitational effects of luminous matter,

You never heard of the eclipse test for Einstein's theory of relativity? Our very luminous sun bends star light passing by it. The same for dark matter. We can see the distortion of star light passing by dark matter.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/06_releases/press_082106.html

What dark matter is made up of is still hotly debated, and rightly so. It could turn out to be regular matter that has low temperature. Time will tell.

The data shows redshift, nothing more. Expansion/acceleration is inferred.

The data shows increasing redshift, which is consistent with an accelerating expansion. Dark energy is the placeholder for the energy causing that acceleration.

 

[Loudmouth]

What you found were the old lava flows that had become basalt rock. The new lava flows had moved on leaving the old lava flows (basalt rock) behind.

We do not find jumbled rock from lava flows that had been moved. We find whole sheets of rock still tied together. We find sedimentary rock below the lava flows that were partially melted by the lava as it flowed there AND STOPPED. These aren't rocks that have been moved. These are rocks that were liquid and stopped there.

 

[Doveaman]

What dark matter is made up of is still hotly debated, and rightly so. It could turn out to be regular matter that has low temperature.

The data shows increasing redshift, which is consistent with an accelerating expansion. Dark energy is the placeholder for the energy causing that acceleration.

So we agree that dark matter/energy and expansion are all inferred. Okay.

 

[Loudmouth]

So we agree that dark matter/energy and expansion are all inferred. Okay.

Just like everything in science. There is no fact that isn't inferred.

 

[Doveaman]

We do not find jumbled rock from lava flows that had been moved. We find whole sheets of rock still tied together.

The new lava flow brought the sheets of rock.

We find sedimentary rock below the lava flows that were partially melted by the lava as it flowed there AND STOPPED.

The partially melted sedimentary rock was caused by the new lava flows hat moved over the sediment before leaving the sheets of rock behind.

 

[Loudmouth]

The new lava flow brought the sheets of rock.

That would have broken the sheets into small rocks which would be obvious.

The partially melted sedimentary rock was caused by the new lava flows hat moved over the sediment before leaving the sheets of rock behind.

They lava is still there.

 

[Doveaman]

Just like everything in science. There is no fact that isn't inferred.

In reality, facts are observed, not inferred.

 

[Loudmouth]

In reality, facts are observed, not inferred.

Facts are inferred from observations. Even something as simple as measuring the weight of a rock is inferred from the readings on instruments.