"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Loudmouth]

Some creationists make the claim that God created the Earth with maturity or embedded age during the initial creation of the Earth which is why rocks appear to be millions to billions of years old when measured with radiometric dating. The problem is that this requires God to put fake fossils in the ground.

1. When a T. rex or other large animal dies, it doesn't dig through hundreds of feet of solid basalt rock and make a fossil.

2. Therefore, any lava flows found above a fossil had to occur AFTER the organism died.

3. Lava flows found above fossils date to millions of years old which creationists claim were created during the initial creation of the Earth.

4. Therefore, if embedded age or mature Earth is correct, God had to plant fake fossils under those rocks during the initial creation of the Earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

When a T. rex or other large animal dies, it doesn't dig through hundreds of feet of solid basalt rock and make a fossil.

It didn't have to.

The rock came to it.

Underneath the earth's crust is liquid rock, and I've seen it explained like a cut on a person's arm.

You get a cut and it bleeds until it scabs.

Basalt rock is like that.

The earth gets a crack, and it "bleeds lava" until a "scab" (basalt rock) forms.

Flood comes, Mr. Rex drowns and sinks down.

On his way down, he meets lava coming up.

Lava surrounds Mr. Rex and solidifies into basalt rock.

What's the problem here?

 

[Loudmouth]

It didn't have to.

The rock came to it.

Underneath the earth's crust is liquid rock, and I've seen it explained like a cut on a person's arm.

You get a cut and it bleeds until it scabs.

Basalt rock is like that.

The earth gets a crack, and it "bleeds lava" until a "scab" (basalt rock) forms.

Flood comes, Mr. Rex drowns and sinks down.

On his way down, he meets lava coming up.

Lava surrounds Mr. Rex and solidifies into basalt rock.

What's the problem here?

That basalt rock would date young, not millions of years old. Radiometric dating measures the time since the rock solidified from lava.

 

[AV1611VET]

That basalt rock would date young, not millions of years old. Radiometric dating measures the time since the rock solidified from lava.

I'll tell you what.

You find me a T. Rex that you know died in the Flood* and start from there -- how's that?

* Pack some warm clothes. I hear it's cold on Neptune.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'll tell you what.

You find me a T. Rex that you know died in the Flood* and start from there -- how's that?

* Pack some warm clothes. I hear it's cold on Neptune.

You first. Show me a T. rex that died in the flood that sits above a lava flow that dates to within the last 1 million years. That's what we should see if the flood really did happen a few thousand years ago and is responsible for those fossils.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll tell you what.

You find me a T. Rex that you know died in the Flood* and start from there -- how's that?

* Pack some warm clothes. I hear it's cold on Neptune.

But you know there was no Flood, or did you forget your terrible failure in the Goosenecks Challenge?

 

[AV1611VET]

You first.

No, thanks.

You're the one claiming God would have to have planted fake fossils in the earth.

Show me one.

Show me a T. rex that died in the flood that sits above a lava flow that dates to within the last 1 million years.

I can't even show you a T. rex from the Flood.

Remember what I believe?

Here's the best I can do for you: [QV picture of Neptune].

That's what we should see if the flood really did happen a few thousand years ago and is responsible for those fossils.

I hope you'll forgive me if I don't consider you an authority on what we should see if the Flood really did happen?

 

[Loudmouth]

No, thanks.

You're the one claiming God would have to have planted fake fossils in the earth.

You haven't shown how my reasoning is wrong.

I can't even show you a T. rex from the Flood.

Remember what I believe?

Here's the best I can do for you: [ QV picture of Neptune].



I hope you'll forgive me if I don't consider you an authority on what we should see if the Flood really did happen?

Then how do you explain the T. rex fossils that sit between lava layers that date to 65 million years old or older by radiometric dating? How do you explain how any igneous rocks date that old?

 

[AV1611VET]

But you know there was no Flood,

So much for this thread then, eh?

 

[Loudmouth]

So much for this thread then, eh?

True or False. You claim that rocks date old because God put embedded age into them.

 

[AV1611VET]

You haven't shown how my reasoning is wrong.

It's blasphemy.

Is that wrong enough?

Then how do you explain the T. rex fossils that sit between lava layers that date to 65 million years old or older by radiometric dating?

I don't -- believe me -- I don't.

How do you explain how any igneous rocks date that old?

I don't -- believe me -- I don't.

I leave that stuff up to the "experts."

 

[Loudmouth]

It's blasphemy.

Is that wrong enough?

That doesn't even address what I wrote.

I leave that stuff up to the "experts."

Are you abandoning your claim that rocks date old because of embedded age?

 

[AV1611VET]

True or False. You claim that rocks date old because God put embedded age into them.

Don't think I'm not watching every single word you're using.

A ploy unbelievers like to use.

False.

I claim rocks are old because God embedded age into them.

I don't claim "rocks date old" -- I claim "rocks are old."

And what, pray tell, does "put embedded age into them" mean?

The more you quote me, the wronger you are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's blasphemy.

Is that wrong enough?


I don't -- believe me -- I don't.


I don't -- believe me -- I don't.

I leave that stuff up to the "experts."

Actually if anybody has blasphemous beliefs it would have to be you. As the Christians at Biologos point out an "embedded age" would be a case of God lying, not once but many many times. The view of a lying God is rather blasphemous and I would have to agree with them on that.

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't even address what I wrote.

You wrote that I haven't shown how your reasoning is wrong.

Again, let me show you how your reasoning is wrong:

Your reasoning is blasphemy.

Is that wrong enough?

Are you abandoning your claim that rocks date old because of embedded age?

Nice try.

I'm claiming I don't date rocks old.

Ain't my job.

 

[Loudmouth]

I claim rocks are old because God embedded age into them.

I don't claim "rocks date old" -- I claim "rocks are old."

So even if go to Hawaii and watch lava solidify in to brand new rocks, you are saying that those rocks are old? By what measure?

And what, pray tell, does "put embedded age into them" mean?

As you have described it before, embedded age is the inclusion of daughter isotopes to give rocks the appearance of being old when they are dated with radiometric methods. I take it that you are running away from those previous positions?

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually if anybody has blasphemous beliefs it would have to be you. As the Christians at Biologos point out an "embedded age" would be a case of God lying, not once but many many times. The view of a lying God is rather blasphemous and I would have to agree with them on that.

Are we done now?

 

[Loudmouth]

You wrote that I haven't shown how your reasoning is wrong.

Again, let me show you how your reasoning is wrong:

Your reasoning is blasphemy.

That doesn't address what I wrote.

Which of the 4 points is wrong? Simply calling something blasphemy is just running away from the problem.

I'm claiming I don't date rocks old.

Then how do you explain the tens of millions of years of radioactive decay history captured in these rocks?

Ain't my job.

Explaining yourself is not your job?

 

[Loudmouth]

Are we done now?

No, we aren't. We will continue to show how your claims of embedded age make God into a deceiver.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, we aren't. We will continue to show how your claims of embedded age make God into a deceiver.

Yep.