How come every rule, law, industry, country seems to be against the USA right?

[iluvatar5150]

At least Trump was trying to change things. I think we all understand that this is not easy. It's something that Congress has to get in board with and provide the funding for what needs to be done and to change the immigration laws. No president can do all that needs to be done.

It may have been similar from the start because the previous administration ran it that way. It takes time to change things and Trump was working on it. You realize he only had two years and was slowly making progress? Then the pandemic hit and everything changed. Then he used 42 which was a quick fix. Everything else is slow. Biden has had four years now and it's worse than ever. He's not doing a thing to stop it.

Where are you coming up with this math? Trump had three years before COVID. COVID-19 emerged at the very end of 2019 and the first case in the US wasn't recorded until late January 2020 (i.e. the beginning of Trump's 4th year in office).

Coincidentally, we're also right now at the beginning of Biden's 4th year in office. Biden has been in office almost exactly the same amount of time that Trump was when the pandemic started.

And no, Trump wasn't making progress. Migrant encounters at the southern border increased every year of his term, except for FY20, which was the first year of the pandemic.

A Turning Point for the Unauthorized Immigrant Population in the United States

The unauthorized immigrant population in the United States stood at approximately 11.2 million people in mid-2021, with larger annual growth than at any point since 2015, according to MPI's latest estimates. Even as the Mexican unauthorized immigrant population continued its decade-long decline...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[rjs330]

Not just using “invasion” now we have another word, “militarily.” How does the military handle a problem? They kill people. Deportations is what you say now. Your language suggests something else if necessary, especially when you color this as a military threat to this country. Your language around this issue is alarming.



However, not nearly as alarming as the lack of Christians lining up here to lovingly correcting a misguided brother in Christ. Christians, this is what is being proclaimed by people on your faith, this is what people think the Christian faith is. Stand up to this hatred or this will be what Christianity is. Your silence is actively harming the Body of Christ and people who didn’t need to be tortured for all eternity will be because they saw what @Matt5 said, say no push back from Christians and figured out that is what Christianity is.

Are you done ranting? Matt doesn't hate anyone. That's just progressive leftist trope. There is no hatred. You could ask Matt if he's okay with people coming here legally. You didn't do that. Why not?

Matt is only speaking truth as to what is going on and what happens when a country is overrun by poor unskilled people who come illegally into a country and then the state has to care for them. We don't even care for our own poor. We spend billions in the poor and people are still poor. And now we add more? What sense does that make?

We are happy to have immigrants here. As many as we can as long as they come legally and through the proper channels. I'm an immigrant. My dad's wife was an immigrant and we came legally. It wasn't easy and she had to go back to her home country and wait for the processing to be completed before she could come. That is all we ask. Do it legally. Stop this nonsense of letting everyone in and then trying to figure out things afterward. In the meantime pouring money into taking care of them and having disappear.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, no. There isn't a story about border patrol not being allowed to save drowning migrants.
The fight is about whether the border patrol are legally allowed to cut the razor wire.
The Supreme court have said they can.


The political dispute amongst the common people, is why are the Border Patrol wanting to cut the razor wire?
1. I have read articles saying that they want to cut the wire because it is in the way of them making arrests and in the way of them saving lives of people drowning.
2. You, I presume are saying that you have read articles or heard news that they are cutting it because they want to allow illegal immigrants to enter the country.

I don't think item 2 sounds very plausible. Especially given that it is Border Patrol's job to enforce the border and to arrest illegal entrants and to direct asylum seekers to make an asylum claim etc. I can't see why Border Patrol would have any incentive to just let illegals into the country.

I presume you don't think item 1 is plausible??? or perhaps you might think item 2 is more plausible than item 1???

There was a widely reported false story that Texas officials stopped CBP from rescuin migrants who drowned. In ref to your earlier question:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749526865285624076

And Federal officials accused Texas officials of preventing them from saving migrants who drowned

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/15/1224762805/did-texas-block-border-agents-from-rescuing-3-migrants-who-drowned-in-rio-grande#:~:text=Live%20Sessions-,Did%20Texas%20block%20border%20agents%20from%20rescuing%203%20migrants%20who,their%20patrols%20found%20no%20one.

 

[stevil]

At least Trump was trying to change things. I think we all understand that this is not easy. It's something that Congress has to get in board with and provide the funding for what needs to be done and to change the immigration laws. No president can do all that needs to be done.

It may have been similar from the start because the previous administration ran it that way. It takes time to change things and Trump was working on it. You realize he only had two years and was slowly making progress? Then the pandemic hit and everything changed. Then he used 42 which was a quick fix. Everything else is slow. Biden has had four years now and it's worse than ever. He's not doing a thing to stop it.

42 isn't a fix for immigration, it was a protection against a deadly global pandemic. The pandemic is over and so 42 doesn't apply any more.

The way I gather it, in USA, both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party see the Southern Border as problematic.
Both parties have different ideas about a solution to the problem.

Many of the Republican party's solutions have been inhumane and under Stephen Miller's guidance it seems that inhumane has be a feature by design.
e.g.
- separating children from families (there are still families that have not yet been reunited)
- Remain in Mexico, telling people that are in imminent danger to remain in the place that they are in danger within for months or years, isn't saving them, it's leaving them to the fate they are desperate to leave.
- Title 42 was only ever valid during the pandemic
- Building a wall is super expensive and it seems people can easily climb over walls or dig under them or cut holes in them
- Arguing in court against providing detainees with soap and toothbrushes during their several months to over a year stay in detention is worse than prison.

But rather than both parties getting together to try and work out a solution that both parties can agree upon, we have the Republicans voting down anything that the Democrates propose, and going to social media with a campaign to mischaracterise the Democratic position as Open Borders, and mischaracterise the current administration as simply wanting to let in as many illegals as possible, rather than wanting to arrest them or save their lives.

I do feel that Republicans want the Southern Border to be as bad as possible, and also feel free to mischaracterise and play it up so that they can campaign on it. They know it is a big ticket item in their voters' minds.

 

[stevil]

Matt is only speaking truth as to what is going on and what happens when a country is overrun by poor unskilled people who come illegally into a country and then the state has to care for them.

As far as I know the USA is not overrun with poor unskilled illegal immigrants, as as far as I know, the state does not provide benefits for illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants try to stay off the radar as they are afraid of being deported.

 

[BPPLEE]

There was a widely reported false story that Texas officials stopped CBP from rescuin migrants who drowned. In ref to your earlier question:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749526865285624076

And Federal officials accused Texas officials of preventing them from saving migrants who drowned

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/15/1224762805/did-texas-block-border-agents-from-rescuing-3-migrants-who-drowned-in-rio-grande#:~:text=Live%20Sessions-,Did%20Texas%20block%20border%20agents%20from%20rescuing%203%20migrants%20who,their%20patrols%20found%20no%20one.

The claims are false

DOJ Filing Shows Texas Did Not Stop Border Patrol from Saving Drowning Migrants | National Review

 

[BPPLEE]

Where are you coming up with this math? Trump had three years before COVID. COVID-19 emerged at the very end of 2019 and the first case in the US wasn't recorded until late January 2020 (i.e. the beginning of Trump's 4th year in office).

Coincidentally, we're also right now at the beginning of Biden's 4th year in office. Biden has been in office almost exactly the same amount of time that Trump was when the pandemic started.

And no, Trump wasn't making progress. Migrant encounters at the southern border increased every year of his term, except for FY20, which was the first year of the pandemic.

A Turning Point for the Unauthorized Immigrant Population in the United States

The unauthorized immigrant population in the United States stood at approximately 11.2 million people in mid-2021, with larger annual growth than at any point since 2015, according to MPI's latest estimates. Even as the Mexican unauthorized immigrant population continued its decade-long decline...

www.migrationpolicy.org

Encounters don’t matter. It’s what happens after they are encountered. If you’re going by that we are now seeing as many encounters in a month as we previously had in a year.

 

[SimplyMe]

Encounters don’t matter. It’s what happens after they are encountered. If you’re going by that we are now seeing as many encounters in a month as we previously had in a year.

But why have encounters increased? Why are more people trying to enter through the US Southern border? I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with Republicans, loudly and publicly, claiming that Biden has open borders. After all, advertising never works, right?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Encounters don’t matter.

Then why does your side repeatedly tout that number as justification for the claim that Biden's allowing open borders?

 

[stevil]

There was a widely reported false story that Texas officials stopped CBP from rescuin migrants who drowned. ...
And Federal officials accused Texas officials of preventing them from saving migrants who drowned

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/15/1224762805/did-texas-block-border-agents-from-rescuing-3-migrants-who-drowned-in-rio-grande#:~:text=Live%20Sessions-,Did%20Texas%20block%20border%20agents%20from%20rescuing%203%20migrants%20who,their%20patrols%20found%20no%20one.

(In the quote above I've pieced the two things that seemed related and the bit you had in the middle of those two is quoted below)
So it seems the Border Patrol knew of the potential danger to the lives of people crossing the river and wanted to go to save them, and probably arrest them too.
They were blocked by the Texas officials who also didn't know whether the people were in danger or dead, and said to Border partrol that they would not be allowed in, even if people's lives were in immanent danger.

AFTER the fact: It turned out that by the time Border patrol had made it to the border of the park, this woman and her two children were already dead.

But this doesn't make the Texas officials look any better.
1. At least Border Patrol cared enough to try and save lives
2. Texas officials didn't care if people were in imminent danger or not, they weren't going to let Border Patrol in, even if BP could have saved lives.

In this case BP look like the good guys, Texas authorities look evil.

In ref to your earlier question:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749526865285624076

This doesn't help explain what was going on at all. Who is Collin Rugg? His post is light on facts and dripping with propoganda.
Also there is no factual explanation offered for what is going on in that video.

 

[BPPLEE]

Then why does your side repeatedly tout that number as justification for the claim that Biden's allowing open borders?

As far as encounters there are nearly as many in one month now as for the entire year in 2021
Nationwide, OFO completed a total of 294,351 encounters in 2021,
The numbers have increased exponentially during Biden’s tenure

 

[BPPLEE]

(In the quote above I've pieced the two things that seemed related and the bit you had in the middle of those two is quoted below)
So it seems the Border Patrol knew of the potential danger to the lives of people crossing the river and wanted to go to save them, and probably arrest them too.
They were blocked by the Texas officials who also didn't know whether the people were in danger or dead, and said to Border partrol that they would not be allowed in, even if people's lives were in immanent danger.

AFTER the fact: It turned out that by the time Border patrol had made it to the border of the park, this woman and her two children were already dead.

But this doesn't make the Texas officials look any better.
1. At least Border Patrol cared enough to try and save lives
2. Texas officials didn't care if people were in imminent danger or not, they weren't going to let Border Patrol in, even if BP could have saved lives.

In this case BP look like the good guys, Texas authorities look evil.

This doesn't help explain what was going on at all. Who is Collin Rugg? His post is light on facts and dripping with propoganda.
Also there is no factual explanation offered for what is going on in that video.

The story is false. Texas officials didn’t prevent the Feds from saving anyone

Texas military deny stopping border agents saving drowning migrants: ‘Wholly inaccurate’

The Texas Military Department said the migrants had already drowned by the time border agents informed them of the situation.

nypost.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

The story is false. Texas officials didn’t prevent the Feds from saving anyone

The case rejected by the Supreme Court isn't tied to the incident of the woman and her two children (who may have drowned, I'm not sure anymore). That incident occurred after the case was file. It is ultimately about who controls the border, the state or the feds.

 

[BPPLEE]

The case rejected by the Supreme Court isn't tied to the incident of the woman and her two children (who may have drowned, I'm not sure anymore). That incident occurred after the case was file. It is ultimately about who controls the border, the state or the feds.

I’m not claiming anything different.
Just talking about that story.

 

[rjs330]

The case rejected by the Supreme Court isn't tied to the incident of the woman and her two children (who may have drowned, I'm not sure anymore). That incident occurred after the case was file. It is ultimately about who controls the border, the state or the feds.

I think it's fairly clear that the Feds control the border and are failing badly at it. So I certainly understand why the state would want to step in. If it were me I'd keep trying different things to control the border in my state. I wouldn't take the ruling as "you can't do anything ".

 

[BPPLEE]

But why have encounters increased? Why are more people trying to enter through the US Southern border? I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with Republicans, loudly and publicly, claiming that Biden has open borders. After all, advertising never works, right?

I don’t care who gets blamed for it. Republicans have not shown me that they are actually doing anything. It’s a problem and something needs to be done about it.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Are you done ranting? Matt doesn't hate anyone. That's just progressive leftist trope. There is no hatred. You could ask Matt if he's okay with people coming here legally. You didn't do that. Why not?

Matt is only speaking truth as to what is going on and what happens when a country is overrun by poor unskilled people who come illegally into a country and then the state has to care for them. We don't even care for our own poor. We spend billions in the poor and people are still poor. And now we add more? What sense does that make?

We are happy to have immigrants here. As many as we can as long as they come legally and through the proper channels. I'm an immigrant. My dad's wife was an immigrant and we came legally. It wasn't easy and she had to go back to her home country and wait for the processing to be completed before she could come. That is all we ask. Do it legally. Stop this nonsense of letting everyone in and then trying to figure out things afterward. In the meantime pouring money into taking care of them and having disappear.

The 250,000 number @Matt5 used most likely came from an extrapolation from the Biden Administration’s release before Christmas. That is just encoubters and doesn’t separate illegal from legal. It is legal to request asylum. Since he didn’t differentiate it appears he considers all 250,000 as an “invasion” that is a problem “militarily” for the United States. How do militaries handle problems? Often killing them. Why is he using such language? More importantly, why are you defending the use of that vile language?

@Matt5 and others using such language and Christians supporting its use is destroying the Body of Christ. People will think Christians are horrible people and want nothing to do with Christ when they see this happening. When your spiritual leaders lament that there are less and less people going to church, take pride in the fact that you contributed to it. Your Lord and Savior sure won’t.

 

[rjs330]

But why have encounters increased? Why are more people trying to enter through the US Southern border? I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with Republicans, loudly and publicly, claiming that Biden has open borders. After all, advertising never works, right?

You may have a point. If Biden has open borders and the Republicans said nothing about it, do you think there were be a lot fewer people coming? In your estimation how much would that cut down on the rush in on the border?

If I were the Republicans I'd be working on a plan right now. I'd have everything put together, work with my partners in the Senate and the House, come up with something we think the president would be in board with so when Trump gets elected we are ready to go.

But the Republicans aren't that smart. To be honest I don't think they are that committed. They would rather whine about it and not do something about it.

 

[rjs330]

The 250,000 number @Matt5 used most likely came from an extrapolation from the Biden Administration’s release before Christmas. That is just encoubters and doesn’t separate illegal from legal. It is legal to request asylum. Since he didn’t differentiate it appears he considers all 250,000 as an “invasion” that is a problem “militarily” for the United States. How do militaries handle problems? Often killing them. Why is he using such language? More importantly, why are you defending the use of that vile language?

@Matt5 and others using such language and Christians supporting its use is destroying the Body of Christ. People will think Christians are horrible people and want nothing to do with Christ when they see this happening. When your spiritual leaders lament that there are less and less people going to church, take pride in the fact that you contributed to it. Your Lord and Savior sure won’t.

Dude people think Christians are horrible people anyway. When we stand for what is right and good we are hated. If we dont agree with the leftist progressive agenda we are hated. People don't listen to us at all. They just want to create their own narrative as to what we believe. This is a prime example. This conversation has been about ILLEGAL immigration and not about LEGAL immigration. No one including Matt has said anything about being against immigration. Yet that's how it's portrayed by progressive leftist. "You hate brown people."

Its nothing more than a manipulation tactic to claim Christians are bad because we think people ought to come through legal channels and that the current process is broken and needs to be fixed. Sorry I'm not going to be manipulated.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Dude people think Christians are horrible people anyway. When we stand for what is right and good we are hated. If we dont agree with the leftist progressive agenda we are hated. People don't listen to us at all. They just want to create their own narrative as to what we believe. This is a prime example. This conversation has been about ILLEGAL immigration and not about LEGAL immigration. No one including Matt has said anything about being against immigration. Yet that's how it's portrayed by progressive leftist. "You hate brown people."

Its nothing more than a manipulation tactic to claim Christians are bad because we think people ought to come through legal channels and that the current process is broken and needs to be fixed. Sorry I'm not going to be manipulated.

If you want to suggest that using language that primes the populace for genocide is good, your moral compass is shattered. He’s talking about refugees, including women and children, as an invasion. As a problem militarily for this country. Trump said they are poisoning the blood of our country. This is the language used to turn up the heat to get people nearer to the idea they can be killed if they are a problem. It doesn’t matter if they entered here legally or illegally. That is vile. Stop defending it.

This website should shut down every person that talks like this. It is a black eye for Christianity. I though Christianity was supposed to be better than this.






Or maybe I was taught wrong for 25 years and this disgusting excrement is exactly what Christianity is. It would explain a lot.