We are not a conservative forum or a liberal forum. Just Catholic.

[anjelica]

LOL Michie. AnD I am riight too

 

[Michie]

LOL Michie. AnD I am riight too

It is because you too are very reasonable.

 

[Rhamiel]

What is your definition of a conservative Catholic?

How about a liberal Catholic?

How do you view your fellow Catholics or other Christians from a faith perspective?

I try not to divide Catholics up like this

there are Catholics who are more liberal (the majority) and there are Catholics who are more conservative
these are political things, not religious things

now when we get into religion
when it comes to doctrine
there is orthodoxy and heterodoxy
just calling heretical beliefs as "Liberal" or "Conservative" does a disservice to the truth of the Catholic Church
it is not like choosing chocolate or vanilla
it is choosing to follow Jesus or choosing to reject Him

now orthodoxy is not monochromatic
there are different traditions, spiritualties, and just focus, both in the East and West
so while we can not compromise on doctrine
we can not act like one legitimate style or expression of Catholicism is superior to another

sorry if I sound too preachy or whatever
I know that I am politically conservative and I try hard to keep my politics and my faith separate
I try hard to make sure I am not presenting my own preferences as fact
I feel like I am rambling now :/

 

[pdudgeon]

What is your definition of a conservative Catholic?

How about a liberal Catholic?

How do you view your fellow Catholics or other Christians from a faith perspective?

a conservative Catholic is one who believes, trusts, and follows the Church. the wise bridesmaids.
a liberal Catholic is one who believes and trusts their own judgements, and who follows the world.
the foolish bridesmaids.

 

[Rhamiel]

a conservative Catholic is one who believes, trusts, and follows the Church. the wise bridesmaids.
a liberal Catholic is one who believes and trusts their own judgements, and who follows the world.
the foolish bridesmaids.

do you mean "politically conservative" or "theologically conservative"
I am pretty sure I know what you mean
but I just wanted to ask just in case other people were confused or misunderstood you

(this is a big reason I do not like using conservative and liberal for religious views, it is too easy to misunderstand)

 

[pdudgeon]

do you mean "politically conservative" or "theologically conservative"
I am pretty sure I know what you mean
but I just wanted to ask just in case other people were confused or misunderstood you

(this is a big reason I do not like using conservative and liberal for religious views, it is too easy to misunderstand)

the Church has always addressed political and social concerns from the very beginning. and so has the world.
but just as with theological concerns, the views of the Church and the world are poles part.

The Church goes to where people are and gives them a hand up in the same way that Jesus
left everything He had and came down to us,
reached out, and gave Peter a hand up when he lost his way.
the world passes them by on the other side of the street. They are someone else's problem.
The government treats them as objects needing to be fed, sheltered, and tended to. or to be gotten rid of like garbage if they cannot be of productive use.

 

[benedictaoo]

So sick of these stupid labels. They just divide. It has been observed by me though (even though the Church says there is only Catholic, no liberal/conservative nonsense) that there are two types of traditional Catholics. Those that discard Vatican II and those that simply prefer the Latin Mass and worship. Then we come to the ridiculous liberal/conservative labeling. Seem those that hold firmly to black and white Church teaching are seen as conservative. Catholics that don't seem too concerned with the black and white view of things are seen as liberal. Have I got it figured out? What do you think? How do you navigate with this silly labeling?

I'm sorry but there is one side that's right and the other that's wrong.

 

[tadoflamb]

So do I. I know I am not a conservative, but I never considered myself a Liberal. Perhaps I do not know who I am. I always thought the answer was "a Catholic"..

That was my wife's answer when I asked her if she was a liberal last night. God bless your peaceful spirit.

 

[tadoflamb]

Liberal Catholic is used as an insult to denote not conservative enough for other people.

I'm wondering when 'liberal' became such an ugly word. I think I might start a thread.

 

[WarriorAngel]

So sick of these stupid labels. They just divide. It has been observed by me though (even though the Church says there is only Catholic, no liberal/conservative nonsense) that there are two types of traditional Catholics. Those that discard Vatican II and those that simply prefer the Latin Mass and worship. Then we come to the ridiculous liberal/conservative labeling. Seem those that hold firmly to black and white Church teaching are seen as conservative. Catholics that don't seem too concerned with the black and white view of things are seen as liberal. Have I got it figured out? What do you think? How do you navigate with this silly labeling?

i ignore it these days.

if labels r used - im moderate w cons leaning.

 

[tadoflamb]

If it's ok then we should certainly see each other as brethren and beyond the labels when dealing with one another.

Generally, I have. When it comes to Catholics I traditionally have exhibited a lot of patience. It's only rarely that I see anyone go over the edge of what I consider Catholicism. It's just that some things have gone on over here in OBOB that has given me the desire for some separation. I'm really not at liberty to talk about it.

And that's another thing. Recently I've discovered that my posting record has been on the light side is that I'm afraid of getting jumped on. I think I learned the habit back on another forum when I first converted, but I'm happy I've found a place where people are cruising around looking for error, but a community of broken people asking questions with out the fear of condemnation. That's the kind of parish I go to in real life.

 

[Julie.S]

I'm just tired of being called a liberal. No I don't go to church every Sunday if you know me well enough it's because I work on the weekends. My family does not go all the time either for other reasons. It does not make us bad people.

 

[Armoured]

So sick of these stupid labels. They just divide. It has been observed by me though (even though the Church says there is only Catholic, no liberal/conservative nonsense) that there are two types of traditional Catholics. Those that discard Vatican II and those that simply prefer the Latin Mass and worship. Then we come to the ridiculous liberal/conservative labeling. Seem those that hold firmly to black and white Church teaching are seen as conservative. Catholics that don't seem too concerned with the black and white view of things are seen as liberal. Have I got it figured out? What do you think? How do you navigate with this silly labeling?

Sadly, the whole conservative/liberal tribal divide is pretty firmly entrenched in the mainstream American mindset. Some people legitimately seem unable to know what to think in any given issue until they identify what their "side" thinks.

 

[Michie]

I'm asking from a strictly faithbased perspective.

do you mean "politically conservative" or "theologically conservative"
I am pretty sure I know what you mean
but I just wanted to ask just in case other people were confused or misunderstood you

(this is a big reason I do not like using conservative and liberal for religious views, it is too easy to misunderstand)

 

[Michie]

I'm wondering when 'liberal' became such an ugly word. I think I might start a thread.

When did conservative become such an ugly word?

 

[pdudgeon]

When did conservative become such an ugly word?

when self-determination became something that was viewed as being politically correct,
and morals became old fashioned.

 

[Rhamiel]

When did conservative become such an ugly word?

I think this is something that has been done in order to ignore the teachings of the Church by people on both sides

it is no longer "orthodoxy" or "heresy"
it is now "liberal" or "conservative"
like choosing between chocolate and vanilla
just make it seem like a preference, make it nothing more then a political leaning

 

[Michie]

That is the thing, I see both sides rejecting or outright twisting Church teaching. Neither side is innocent. We cannot learn anything or move foward when we fail to understand we all operate as individuals. Worship style is not the indicator that the Pope is the antichrist and conscience is formed by Church teaching, it does not trump it.

I think this is something that has been done in order to ignore the teachings of the Church by people on both sides

it is no longer "orthodoxy" or "heresy"
it is now "liberal" or "conservative"
like choosing between chocolate and vanilla
just make it seem like a preference, make it nothing more then a political leaning

 

[Michie]

I think it is interesting that some cannot the words liberal or conservative outside the context of politics. I'm not taking about those two words in the context of politics.

 

[tadoflamb]

When did conservative become such an ugly word?

Personally, the word conservative has never left my lips with the same derision that the word liberal used to. It's just that the performance of some self-identified conservatives recently has made me question if I would I have converted if I had thought theirs was an authentic expression of Catholicism.