Bible-Based All-Wood Ark Takes Shape in Kentucky Field

[OldWiseGuy]

On second thought, modern sewer workers wear electronic sensors to warn them of any build-up of various dangerous gasses. Otherwise, their first warning may be when someone falls unconscious. In an ark pitched inside and out and the equivalent of a sea water and animal waste sewer in the hold, I guess we better give the crew modern respiratory equipment.

I wouldn't light a match down there either so we had better give them modern flashlights.

The ark would have been a complex, highly organized structure, well equipped to handle needed tasks. It wouldn't take all of 100 years to build the superstructure, thus allowing lots of time for 'fitting out' the ark on the inside.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I once lived in a beautiful apartment on my town square. The windows and other architectural details were to die for. The only problem was that the roof leaked. The landlord kept spreading pitch up there. Buckets and buckets. I soon had a roof that merrily leaked rain with little balls of pitch in it. Eventually a normal rainfall would require me to set up a plastic bathtub and a tarp in the corner of my bedroom. This is when I gave up and moved out.

So, I can attest that even without the waves of the sea tossing to and fro and with only normal levels of rainfall, pitch and lots of it is not a panacea to leakage.

You do realize that millions of 'pitch' sealed roofs don't leak.

 

[Glass*Soul]

You do realize that millions of 'pitch' sealed roofs don't leak.

Only if they're properly built and in good repair. If they're not properly built and in good repair the spreading of pitch will not solve the problem. After I moved out, my former landlord figured this out and actually repaired the roof.

If the Wyoming was too big for a wooden vessel and therefore continually leaked, even more so the ark. If spreading pitch will not make a structurally unsound roof water-tight, how much more so a too large wooden ship in tossing seas.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Only if they're properly built and in good repair. If they're not properly built and in good repair the spreading of pitch will not solve the problem. After I moved out, my former landlord figured this out and actually repaired the roof.

If the Wyoming was too big for a wooden vessel and therefore continually leaked, even more so the ark. If spreading pitch will not make a structurally unsound roof water-tight, how much more so a too large wooden ship in tossing seas.

Try being more positive. It's fun to speculate about the whole thing.

 

[Green Sun]

Try being more positive. It's fun to speculate about the internal workings of the ark.

Wonder if it had enough room for all the workers that Noah was culpable in the deaths of if it worked perfectly.

 

[cow451]

Wonder if it had enough room for all the workers that Noah was culpable in the deaths of if it worked perfectly.

No Worker's Comp in the Old Testament.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Try being more positive. It's fun to speculate about the whole thing.

The thing is there is a difference between speculating and pretending. If we're pretending then real life examples don't matter.

 

[mmksparbud]

He build in on top of a steel barge! You can see it on the pictures! It is right there!

Who do you think you (and this guy) are fooling?

What's your problem?? Who's fooling anyone?? The guy build a replica, as best he could from what the bible said--but he can't make it exact!! Nobody knows the kind of wood, nobody has seen it so it can't be an exact replica!! Good, grief, there are replicas of the Ark of the Covenant, nobody knows what it actually looked like, they go by measurements and whatever is said about it. There have been replicas of the whole Sanctuary as described in the bible, and replicas of the temple--I can't imagine anyone being foolish enough to think these things are the exact replicas!! He isn't planning on launching it, he has a petting zoo and other stuff there and a lot people go in it and it has to be according to their building codes--of course it's going to be on a foundation sturdy enough to handle it all---

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What's your problem?? Who's fooling anyone?? The guy build a replica, as best he could from what the bible said--but he can't make it exact!! Nobody knows the kind of wood, nobody has seen it so it can't be an exact replica!! Good, grief, there are replicas of the Ark of the Covenant, nobody knows what it actually looked like, they go by measurements and whatever is said about it. There have been replicas of the whole Sanctuary as described in the bible, and replicas of the temple--I can't imagine anyone being foolish enough to think these things are the exact replicas!! He isn't planning on launching it, he has a petting zoo and other stuff there and a lot people go in it and it has to be according to their building codes--of course it's going to be on a foundation sturdy enough to handle it all---

Very good points. (I have no idea why the large smiley below appeared or how to delete it.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The thing is there is a difference between speculating and pretending. If we're pretending then real life examples don't matter.

This is true.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wonder if it had enough room for all the workers that Noah was culpable in the deaths of if it worked perfectly.

God's plan didn't include room for the workers inside the ark.

 

[ranunculus]

God's plan didn't include room for the workers inside the ark.

It seems he also didn't include room for animals.

Very specific, science-based guidelines on how to house captive animals exist. The Association of Zoos and Aquariums (AZA), an international body of scientists and experts in animal care, has published their AZA Accreditation standards for 2014 (92 page PDF). AZA Accreditation is the gold standard for zoos; it’s not something all zoos can achieve. However, most reputable zoos do try to incorporate AZA Standards where and when they can. For many captive animal species there are very clear exhibit design guidelines about shelter, water, space, and behavioral enrichment.

As an example, let’s look at a skunk or a weasel, a likely small mammal candidate species for the Ark. The AZA Mustelid Handbook suggests 29 square meters (34.7 square yards) as a minimum exhibit size. Go back and look at that diagram above, or one of the ark schematics I’ve linked to. Nope.

http://www.wired.com/2013/12/the-ark-park-needs-to-sink/

 

[pgp_protector]

God's plan didn't include room for the workers inside the ark.

So you're saying God's plan was to use a bunch of people to help him save one family and then drown them?

 

[Belk]

God's plan didn't include room for the workers inside the ark.

God's plan didn't include a global flood either since there is plenty of evidence that it did not happen.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So you're saying God's plan was to use a bunch of people to help him save one family and then drown them?

Why not? God used gentile nations to punish Israel, then destroyed them.

 

[mmksparbud]

For those who do not believe in God, or that God works only in the way they think He does---nothing can be said to convince them otherwise. For those who do believe---we know nothing is too difficult for God. For crying out loud---we believe He created a world in 6 days--breathed life into a mud sculpture and brought forth man---taking care of, to Him, a few animals, is no big deal. Keeping a ship afloat--no biggy-- We do not serve some sort of puny little God! That is why it is not possible to have a real conversation about religion with a non believer---they do not believe God is capable, or willing to do anything, and if, by a great stretch of their imagination, He does, it can only be according to what they think their science is all about. We believe He created science, and He is in no way bound to those rules He made--that is the concept of miracles, after all---out of the ordinary happenings. Like He had set up a world where it did not rain, there was a mist--the rain, was, of itself, out of the realm of scientific possibility back then.
Elijah went 40 days without eating, from one meal provided him by an angel---That could have been the same situation with the animals and the people on the ark. There was no need to bring every single kind of animal into the ark--just the main species, like the wolf, there was no need to bring in every kind of canine. They'll do the different breeds on their own after the flood. And nothing is said about how old each animal was--did not have to be full grown as they would be in the ark for about a year and we do not know how much growth there was, if any. God doesn't need the scientific guidelines of Zoo keepers--He knows what the animals need, He created them. Adam woke up with a fully able body, did not need to learn to use the body he had, to develop the muscles. He had a fully functioning brain, didn't need to learn from scratch, he named the animals, after all. God imported to him the knowledge needed to function. The bodies of the animals were kept in health and in fully capable. functioning capacity for when they emerged from the ark--no wasted muscles. An unbeliever laughs at our faith--we laugh at their lack of it. An unbeliever can not possibly believe that Sarah at 90 gave birth--we believe a virgin gave birth to the already eternal Son of God. There is no possible way for these 2 sides to reach any kind of understanding except to agree to disagree. All the bickering we do on here, means nothing to either side, but it is interesting to see what the other side thinks.
What makes anyone think that Noah needed anyone other than his own family to work on it?? He was given plenty of time to build it. This Scandinavian guy built it by himself and his family. and it didn't take him 100 years just to make it what it is for today.

 

[Desk trauma]

Keeping a ship afloat--no biggy-- We do not serve some sort of puny little God!

If the impossibilities of the story are hand waved away with magic, why even bother with the charade of building a boat in the first place?

What makes anyone think that Noah needed anyone other than his own family to work on it??

A rudimentary understanding of carpentry and ship building.

He was given plenty of time to build it. This Scandinavian guy built it by himself and his family. and it didn't take him 100 years just to make it what it is for today.

A prebuilt barge to start with and modern equipment cut down the build time a great deal.

 

[seashale76]

I live in Kentucky and the first I've heard about this ark thing is here. Nobody I know is talking about this.

 

[Glass*Soul]

For those who do not believe in God, or that God works only in the way they think He does---nothing can be said to convince them otherwise. For those who do believe---we know nothing is too difficult for God. For crying out loud---we believe He created a world in 6 days--breathed life into a mud sculpture and brought forth man---taking care of, to Him, a few animals, is no big deal. Keeping a ship afloat--no biggy-- We do not serve some sort of puny little God! That is why it is not possible to have a real conversation about religion with a non believer---they do not believe God is capable, or willing to do anything, and if, by a great stretch of their imagination, He does, it can only be according to what they think their science is all about. We believe He created science, and He is in no way bound to those rules He made--that is the concept of miracles, after all---out of the ordinary happenings. Like He had set up a world where it did not rain, there was a mist--the rain, was, of itself, out of the realm of scientific possibility back then.
Elijah went 40 days without eating, from one meal provided him by an angel---That could have been the same situation with the animals and the people on the ark. There was no need to bring every single kind of animal into the ark--just the main species, like the wolf, there was no need to bring in every kind of canine. They'll do the different breeds on their own after the flood. And nothing is said about how old each animal was--did not have to be full grown as they would be in the ark for about a year and we do not know how much growth there was, if any. God doesn't need the scientific guidelines of Zoo keepers--He knows what the animals need, He created them. Adam woke up with a fully able body, did not need to learn to use the body he had, to develop the muscles. He had a fully functioning brain, didn't need to learn from scratch, he named the animals, after all. God imported to him the knowledge needed to function. The bodies of the animals were kept in health and in fully capable. functioning capacity for when they emerged from the ark--no wasted muscles. An unbeliever laughs at our faith--we laugh at their lack of it. An unbeliever can not possibly believe that Sarah at 90 gave birth--we believe a virgin gave birth to the already eternal Son of God. There is no possible way for these 2 sides to reach any kind of understanding except to agree to disagree. All the bickering we do on here, means nothing to either side, but it is interesting to see what the other side thinks.
What makes anyone think that Noah needed anyone other than his own family to work on it?? He was given plenty of time to build it. This Scandinavian guy built it by himself and his family. and it didn't take him 100 years just to make it what it is for today.

That's fine. If the claims of the story are all supernaturally aided, then the technological authenticity of the details don't matter. One believes it by brute force, so to speak, or not at all. It doesn't matter what gopher wood was or how long a cubit was or how many animals the ark could have held or whether it could have been water tight or where all that water came from or went or how speciation takes place. The problem is that things like the ark in this article pretend to give a nod to being a demonstration of concrete, reproducible states of affair. A person can't build a magical ark, so any ark built is going to be misleading rather than enlightening. One might as well build Ezekiel's wheel. Or the shed in Narnia that was bigger on the inside than on the outside. The result would be just as pointless.

One can't have it both ways.

 

[mmksparbud]

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and these posts just prove my point!!---I, nor anyone else, can answer the why God chooses to do something in the manner He does. He didn't have to take 6 days to create the world, He didn't have to make man out of mud, He didn't have to have a boat, ---but He did.
I didn't have to have my water heater break, flooding my house, ruining my laminate flooring, and having to have my home practically demolished so they can remove the mold and asbestos. We had to move to a motel it's been 6 weeks and at least 3 more weeks to go. It's been a horrible ordeal. However---for several years my husband and I have been disabled and have not been able to take care of our home as it should have been, the wheelchairs messed up walls and doors, and the floor was in need of repair, and the whole house was starting to look like a hoarders dream and we have no one to help and we can't afford to hire help. Been praying and crying over this for a long time. Well, this mess has given us the help to pack our things for us, move us out, pay for our lodging in the meantime, reconstruct our floors, the asbestos removed (which we didn't know about) the walls and doors replaced and new paint job---everything we needed. Did it have o be this awful?? I wish otherwise, but it is what it is. I look to the blessings of it. He saved nit only 8 people, but His created animals which have all grown to now include you which is what He looked down the hall of the future and saw and said He wanted to give you the chance to choose Him, so He saved a few to get you instead of wiping out everything and everyone.
And, as parents are so fond of saying--"I brought you into this world, and I can take you out"---Actually, He is the only one who can say that. He owes me no explanations, though He does often make them. I just trust in the fact that He is justice, He is love, He knows everything, and He does what is best even if it may not make sense to me. I have faith in His love for us. A God who loves us so much that He allows His own Son to become like one of His creations, to suffer in this world and to be killed in the manner that He was killed, in order for us to be able to spend eternity with Him,---doesn't have childish temper tantrums. You can look t things however you choose to. I try to look at things and see the good--sometimes it is not very apparent, that's when faith kicks in. You don't have that---my condolences. He's still waiting for you to chose Him.