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I agree with you. Most however believe that since Matt says the sun will be as blood that these cannot be the same event. However everything lines ups with the events of matt 24 and the seals of Rev. Additionally can't find the stars falling from heaven when the sun and moon are darkened anywhere but the 6th seal. We also see the Son of Man coming in the clouds in Matt 24 with the nations mourning and then in at the 6th seal we see the kings trying to hide from him who sits on the throne.
The wrath is just beginning with the trumpets. When the kings were hiding, it was not because Rev 19 was occurring, it was because a harvest was occurring. And those left on the earth were to face the wrath of God. I agree with you that the books of Rev are not chronological, though. I think this harvest is actually the Rev 14 harvest. (We see the wrath of God start at the 6th seal. We also see the grapes tossed into the wrath of God at the end of Rev 14)
It does get weirder. However, It does not say that everyone gets stung except the 144000. It says they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Does that mean the 144000 are still on earth? We see they are in heaven at the 1st part of Rev 14 and we see that the wrath of God has not begun until the harvest at the end of Rev 14. Also notice this:
Rev 9
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
So something has happened if men cannot die..........They are in the wrath of God and there is no escape.....and we are not appointed to wrath. And neither is Israel. And neither is the 144000 from each tribe.
I think the bowls and trumpets occur in roughly the same timeframe. However, consider this...We see the wrath of God start at the 6th seal. We also see the wrath of God start at the end of Rev 14.
And some say the tribulation is over....the time of Jacobs trouble......and the 2 witnesses are operating during the wrath of God.
Or is the 6th seal the start of the Day of the Lord and the 7 trumpet when Rev 19 occurs?
This tribulation will be immediately followed by the signs of Christ return: sun and moon darkened, shaking, and the visible return of Christ (Matt 24:29-30). This must be the Day of the Lord.
I agree with you. Most however believe that since Matt says the sun will be as blood that these cannot be the same event. However everything lines ups with the events of matt 24 and the seals of Rev. Additionally can't find the stars falling from heaven when the sun and moon are darkened anywhere but the 6th seal. We also see the Son of Man coming in the clouds in Matt 24 with the nations mourning and then in at the 6th seal we see the kings trying to hide from him who sits on the throne.
Remember, in the sixth seal, the earth just saw the sky shaken, the stars fall to earth, an earthquake moves all mountains and islands, and then the "kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains in an effort to hide from the presence of God and the wrath of the Lamb, because the "great day of their wrath has come" and "nobody is able to stand".
Now AFTER this (in your view) comes an event that destroys the 1/3 of the grass and trees? That strikes me as like blowing up a firecracker right after a nuclear blast.
The wrath is just beginning with the trumpets. When the kings were hiding, it was not because Rev 19 was occurring, it was because a harvest was occurring. And those left on the earth were to face the wrath of God. I agree with you that the books of Rev are not chronological, though. I think this harvest is actually the Rev 14 harvest. (We see the wrath of God start at the 6th seal. We also see the grapes tossed into the wrath of God at the end of Rev 14)
But it gets weirder: There are some more events that harm 1/3 of the earth, and then come stings that harm people except the 144,000 servants bearing the seal of God (from chapter 7).
It does get weirder. However, It does not say that everyone gets stung except the 144000. It says they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Does that mean the 144000 are still on earth? We see they are in heaven at the 1st part of Rev 14 and we see that the wrath of God has not begun until the harvest at the end of Rev 14. Also notice this:
Rev 9
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
So something has happened if men cannot die..........They are in the wrath of God and there is no escape.....and we are not appointed to wrath. And neither is Israel. And neither is the 144000 from each tribe.
I gets even weirder in the seventh trumpet where we see Christ beginning to reign with the kingdom of God having come to the earth, and his wrath had come to the nations. Again, this is odd after all people on earth had faced the wrath of the Lamb in the sixth seal. Again, it seems like we have reached the end according to the OT prophets, but there are still the seven bowls to go!
So next we see bowls of Gods wrath which destroy fully the things that were earlier 1/3 destroyed. In the fifth bowl, the earth is darkened for a second time (the OT prophets mentioned one such event). In the sixth seal, armies assemble for war against God. Apparently, God didn't quite win when the kings and commander fled His wrath earlier in the sixth seal, or when his wrath came again against the nations in the seventh trumpet. In the seventh bowl, we see a second earthquake the moves all the mountains and islands (the OT prophets mentioned one shaking of the earth). Later we see the return of Christ as king, even though he already began to reign on earth back in the seventh trumpet.
I think the bowls and trumpets occur in roughly the same timeframe. However, consider this...We see the wrath of God start at the 6th seal. We also see the wrath of God start at the end of Rev 14.
Somewhere in all of this, there are two witnesses operating for 1260 days, some say this is in the first half, some say the second half, and they are striking the earth with plagues.
And some say the tribulation is over....the time of Jacobs trouble......and the 2 witnesses are operating during the wrath of God.
. This is the same Day of the Lord we saw in the sixth seal, and it is described again in the seventh trumpet. This is the second description of that same event.
Or is the 6th seal the start of the Day of the Lord and the 7 trumpet when Rev 19 occurs?
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