Is The Church STILL Carnal?

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1 Corinthians 3 (NIV)
1 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ.

2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.

3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Paul states that he could not address the people as spiritual, that he had to address them as worldly, or carnal, whom he described as “infants in Christ”

He goes on to say that he could not give them solid food, but had to give them milk as babies. The fact that he could not give them solid food is an indicator of their infancy in Christ. Only MATURE believers could handle solid food.

So what is the indicator of their lack of growth and maturity? It is in the next verse: He states that they are STILL worldly, and the evidence of that is that there is jealousy, and quarreling among them. In the KJ version he says there is envying, and strife, and divisions.

I want to ask you a question: Look around in the church today – Is there not still jealousy, quarreling, strife and division? Not only is it there, but it is epidemic.

So, Paul is telling them that they are not acting like Christ, but instead, like mere men.

Paul understood that men who are worldly may not understand or even accept issues of a spiritual nature. In 1 Corinthians 2 he states: (NIV)

13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c]

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

He is saying that the man without the Spirit does NOT accept things that come from the spirit. By “without the spirit” he doesn’t mean that the Holy Spirit is not present. He means that those particular people can not hear the Holy Spirit because they are listening to their flesh. They have not opened up their spiritual ears. He goes on to say that issues of a spiritual nature (that go beyond their realm of knowledge) are foolishness to those people.

The reason for that is in the previous verse: “This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.” People who are spiritual receive revelation that goes beyond human knowledge and teaching. That even includes the written word. Natural or carnal believers will not accept anything that goes beyond the written word. They are in a theological bubble, with God on the outside.

The next verse describes an advantage that comes from the Holy Spirit, to those who are spiritual. “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:” This is because of two factors. Man receives great wisdom from the Holy Spirit. And a spiritually mature believer will share the nature of God

He is saying that the wisdom that man receives from the Holy Spirit allows him to judge all things, and because of his closeness to God, he will not be subject to any man’s judgment.

Then he goes on, in the next verse to say why: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

This is incredible! He is saying that no man can instruct the spiritual believer, because the spiritual believer has the MIND OF CHRIST.

How many believers have to ACT like Christ when they go out, but are different at home? Spiritual believers do not have to act like Christ, because they ARE like Christ, even possessing his mind (wisdom and nature)

Based on these scriptures, I believe that the Christian church is a body of carnal believers, that MOST of them are still carnal. Paul said: “You are still worldly.” He didn’t have a problem that they were carnal. His problem was that all that time passed and they were STILL carnal.

So, why is the church STILL carnal? Here is the problem. Paul stopped short of explaining to them (at least in what is written) how to become spiritual. That is why the church has not heeded this scripture and is still carnal. Oh, how to become spiritual is in the Bible. It is all over the Bible. But no where in the Bible is there a scripture that states: “This is how you become spiritual…..”

People, there is jealousy, envy, strife and separation all around in the church. That means that you are still carnal. It is not your fault. Most preachers don’t know how to teach spiritual growth. It is time to grow beyond your carnality, and get where God wants you to be. Spiritual growth does not come from studying scripture. It comes from a spiritual one on one relationship with God where he is able to speak new revelation into your spiritual ears. It comes from giving Him every hour of every day and spending every day with God in your heart and on your mind. It comes from putting him first above everything else and allowing him to really take over your life. That means total self-giving – surrender. It comes from totally trusting Him with your very lives. It comes from loving all you come in contact with, not just in word, but in deed – a life of kindness with a loving heart.

It means that you have to open your heart and mind.. God is going to reveal things to you, about himself, that are not written. You must not be bound by the boundaries of scripture.

It’s time to wake up and grow, church. A mature church would be united with one purpose – loving God. A mature church would not have denominations and multiple doctrines. A mature church would be one united Body of Believers.
 
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1 Corinthians 3 (NIV)
1 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ.

2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.

3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

Paul states that he could not address the people as spiritual, that he had to address them as worldly, or carnal, whom he described as “infants in Christ”

He goes on to say that he could not give them solid food, but had to give them milk as babies. The fact that he could not give them solid food is an indicator of their infancy in Christ. Only MATURE believers could handle solid food.

So what is the indicator of their lack of growth and maturity? It is in the next verse: He states that they are STILL worldly, and the evidence of that is that there is jealousy, and quarreling among them. In the KJ version he says there is envying, and strife, and divisions.

I want to ask you a question: Look around in the church today – Is there not still jealousy, quarreling, strife and division? Not only is it there, but it is epidemic.

So, Paul is telling them that they are not acting like Christ, but instead, like mere men.

Paul understood that men who are worldly may not understand or even accept issues of a spiritual nature. In 1 Corinthians 2 he states: (NIV)

13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c]

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

He is saying that the man without the Spirit does NOT accept things that come from the spirit. By “without the spirit” he doesn’t mean that the Holy Spirit is not present. He means that those particular people can not hear the Holy Spirit because they are listening to their flesh. They have not opened up their spiritual ears. He goes on to say that issues of a spiritual nature (that go beyond their realm of knowledge) are foolishness to those people.

The reason for that is in the previous verse: “This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.” People who are spiritual receive revelation that goes beyond human knowledge and teaching. That even includes the written word. Natural or carnal believers will not accept anything that goes beyond the written word. They are in a theological bubble, with God on the outside.

The next verse describes an advantage that comes from the Holy Spirit, to those who are spiritual. “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:” This is because of two factors. Man receives great wisdom from the Holy Spirit. And a spiritually mature believer will share the nature of God

He is saying that the wisdom that man receives from the Holy Spirit allows him to judge all things, and because of his closeness to God, he will not be subject to any man’s judgment.

Then he goes on, in the next verse to say why: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

This is incredible! He is saying that no man can instruct the spiritual believer, because the spiritual believer has the MIND OF CHRIST.

How many believers have to ACT like Christ when they go out, but are different at home? Spiritual believers do not have to act like Christ, because they ARE like Christ, even possessing his mind (wisdom and nature)

Based on these scriptures, I believe that the Christian church is a body of carnal believers, that MOST of them are still carnal. Paul said: “You are still worldly.” He didn’t have a problem that they were carnal. His problem was that all that time passed and they were STILL carnal.

So, why is the church STILL carnal? Here is the problem. Paul stopped short of explaining to them (at least in what is written) how to become spiritual. That is why the church has not heeded this scripture and is still carnal. Oh, how to become spiritual is in the Bible. It is all over the Bible. But no where in the Bible is there a scripture that states: “This is how you become spiritual…..”

People, there is jealousy, envy, strife and separation all around in the church. That means that you are still carnal. It is not your fault. Most preachers don’t know how to teach spiritual growth. It is time to grow beyond your carnality, and get where God wants you to be. Spiritual growth does not come from studying scripture. It comes from a spiritual one on one relationship with God where he is able to speak new revelation into your spiritual ears. It comes from giving Him every hour of every day and spending every day with God in your heart and on your mind. It comes from putting him first above everything else and allowing him to really take over your life. That means total self-giving – surrender. It comes from totally trusting Him with your very lives. It comes from loving all you come in contact with, not just in word, but in deed – a life of kindness with a loving heart.

It means that you have to open your heart and mind.. God is going to reveal things to you, about himself, that are not written. You must not be bound by the boundaries of scripture.

It’s time to wake up and grow, church. A mature church would be united with one purpose – loving God. A mature church would not have denominations and multiple doctrines. A mature church would be one united Body of Believers.

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In every congregation there are those who are immature in their faith... those who are mature... and those in between.

Anytime we make sweeping statements regarding "the church" as a whole, instead of dealing with individuals, then it is always very easy to become very self-righteous and point out everyone's faults.

Of course, in doing so we always overlook our own.

And... after years of pastoring... I've found that usually when someone starts having a "burden" for "the church", it's usually that God is dealing with an issue in that person's own heart.
 
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In every congregation there are those who are immature in their faith... those who are mature... and those in between.

Anytime we make sweeping statements regarding "the church" as a whole, instead of dealing with individuals, then it is always very easy to become very self-righteous and point out everyone's faults.

Of course, in doing so we always overlook our own.

And... after years of pastoring... I've found that usually when someone starts having a "burden" for "the church", it's usually that God is dealing with an issue in that person's own heart.

Whenever someone points out a "general" problem with the church, you also need to take each individual who said it and inspect the motives on why they said it, instead of just lumping everyone who says something into a negotive opinion.

I know where you are coming from, and sometimes you are right, people are out of line sometimes.

But we are all in the same boat, so if one person has a problem, then that problem is also our problem.

The amount of mature Christians compared to the amount of immature, is probably 99% to 1%.
 
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Whenever someone points out a "general" problem with the church, you also need to take each individual who said it and inspect the motives on why they said it, instead of just lumping everyone who says something into a negotive opinion.

I know where you are coming from, and sometimes you are right, people are out of line sometimes.

But we are all in the same boat, so if one person has a problem, then that problem is also our problem.

The amount of mature Christians compared to the amount of immature, is probably 99% to 1%.
 
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Whenever someone points out a "general" problem with the church, you also need to take each individual who said it and inspect the motives on why they said it, instead of just lumping everyone who says something into a negotive opinion.

I know where you are coming from, and sometimes you are right, people are out of line sometimes.

But we are all in the same boat, so if one person has a problem, then that problem is also our problem.

The amount of mature Christians compared to the amount of immature, is probably 99% to 1%.

:amen:
 
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I can't speak for the whole church, but the Christians I see and know are spiritually minded and growing in God. We should trust the good God, and realize He is faithful and determined to see to our growth and perfection. Even the most wayward. He nourishes and cherishes us and is big enough to cleanse every spot and wrinkle. No matter what goes on, God is in control, he deals with each one of us in a personal intimate way. He'll make straight paths for our feet so that the lame may be healed and corrected.

I keep hearing people say, and it's so true, God writes straight with crooked lines.:clap:
 
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In every congregation there are those who are immature in their faith... those who are mature... and those in between.

Anytime we make sweeping statements regarding "the church" as a whole, instead of dealing with individuals, then it is always very easy to become very self-righteous and point out everyone's faults.

Of course, in doing so we always overlook our own.

And... after years of pastoring... I've found that usually when someone starts having a "burden" for "the church", it's usually that God is dealing with an issue in that person's own heart.
:amen:
 
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I can't speak for the whole church, but the Christians I see and know are spiritually minded and growing in God. We should trust the good God, and realize He is faithful and determined to see to our growth and perfection. Even the most wayward. He nourishes and cherishes us and is big enough to cleanse every spot and wrinkle. No matter what goes on, God is in control, he deals with each one of us in a personal intimate way. He'll make straight paths for our feet so that the lame may be healed and corrected.

I keep hearing people say, and it's so true, God writes straight with crooked lines.:clap:

:amen:

We have to trust that God knows what He is doing.

Phil. 1:8
being confident of this vey thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

No matter what we 'see' right now...things will all work out to His glory.
 
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:amen:

We have to trust that God knows what He is doing.

Phil. 1:8
being confident of this vey thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

No matter what we 'see' right now...things will all work out to His glory.

:amen::amen::amen:
 
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I can't speak for the whole church, but the Christians I see and know are spiritually minded and growing in God. We should trust the good God, and realize He is faithful and determined to see to our growth and perfection. Even the most wayward. He nourishes and cherishes us and is big enough to cleanse every spot and wrinkle. No matter what goes on, God is in control, he deals with each one of us in a personal intimate way. He'll make straight paths for our feet so that the lame may be healed and corrected.

I keep hearing people say, and it's so true, God writes straight with crooked lines.:clap:


:amen::amen::amen:
 
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In every congregation there are those who are immature in their faith... those who are mature... and those in between.

Anytime we make sweeping statements regarding "the church" as a whole, instead of dealing with individuals, then it is always very easy to become very self-righteous and point out everyone's faults.

Of course, in doing so we always overlook our own.

And... after years of pastoring... I've found that usually when someone starts having a "burden" for "the church", it's usually that God is dealing with an issue in that person's own heart.

Just remember, if you love God, you will love your Christians and brothers too. It is always the 'motive' behind what you do or say.

God can also make us look at our own hearts while still thinking about somebody else..I believe this is a form of love in action. Love should always be the motivating force behind what we say or do.
 
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:amen:

We have to trust that God knows what He is doing.

Phil. 1:8
being confident of this vey thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

No matter what we 'see' right now...things will all work out to His glory.

That's just one verse, and it's not true if just left alone like that.

God will not go against your free will.
He has a destiny for everyone, but the fact is the over whelming mass majority of Christians don't come any where near it.

Just last year a little girl was raped, and the guy stuck her in a trash bag and burried her alive.
How does that work for the glory of God?

It doesn't.

If anything, all of this moral decay in society is a direct result of our lazyness.

Christians do so much talking, but so little walking.
 
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