Zuckerberg Lays it On the Line

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Not really - your confirmation bias is at play here. He is basically - actually outright - saying that the government is in a position to keep foreign governments from interfering whereas his company is not.

In the context he was speaking, he was talking about suppressing speech on the internet.

Exactly. And you prefer a foreign country interfering rather than an American person (companies being people according to the SCOTUS decision concerning money and speech) - very patriotic.

Whether or not Facebook is a person, Facebook is an international company, not American. Putin is not and never was an enemy of the United States - Zuckerberg is. Putin isn't the one kicking people off the internet for saying things he doesn't like...
 
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Putin is not and never was an enemy of the United States - Zuckerberg is. Putin isn't the one kicking people off the internet for saying things he doesn't like...

No. He poisons them. And Zuckerberg can't kick people off the internet. And Facebook is an American company with global reach. Like Coca-Cola or the Trump brand.
 
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Putin isn't the one kicking people off the internet for saying things he doesn't like...
He just has critics and journalists arrested and/or killed.
How is that better?
 
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No. He poisons them. And Zuckerberg can't kick people off the internet. And Facebook is an American company with global reach. Like Coca-Cola or the Trump brand.
 
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In the context he was speaking, he was talking about suppressing speech on the internet.



Whether or not Facebook is a person, Facebook is an international company, not American. Putin is not and never was an enemy of the United States - Zuckerberg is. Putin isn't the one kicking people off the internet for saying things he doesn't like...
Imagine Putin running Facebook..... Being “banned” takes on a whole new meaning then, Comrade.:ebil:
 
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And Zuckerberg can't kick people off the internet.

Tell that to the people who have had their accounts taken away from them over vague claims of "violation of terms of service".

And Facebook is an American company with global reach.

If Facebook isn't a transnational company, I'd be at a loss to say what would be.

He just has critics and journalists arrested and/or killed.
How is that better?

That canard must be getting moldy by now...
 
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Tell that to the people who have had their accounts taken away from them over vague claims of "violation of terms of service".



If Facebook isn't a transnational company, I'd be at a loss to say what would be.



That canard must be getting moldy by now...
Just so you will know, Facebook is NOT the Internet. It is only a program which uses the Internet to reach its customers. The original statement is true. Being kicked off Facebook can not make the Internet unreachable.

There isn't any problem with a transnational company. It is headquarter in America. That makes it an American company doing business in other nations.
 
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Tell that to the people who have had their accounts taken away from them over vague claims of "violation of terms of service".



If Facebook isn't a transnational company, I'd be at a loss to say what would be.



That canard must be getting moldy by now...

Just so you will know, Facebook is NOT the Internet. It is only a program which uses the Internet to reach its customers. The original statement is true. Being kicked off Facebook can not make the Internet unreachable.

There isn't any problem with a transnational company. It is headquarter in America. That makes it an American company doing business in other nations.

Yeah, zephcom answered that better than I could have. And far more politely.
 
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Just so you will know, Facebook is NOT the Internet. It is only a program which uses the Internet to reach its customers. The original statement is true. Being kicked off Facebook can not make the Internet unreachable.

Denial of access to social media does severely limit ones ability to communicate, not just in the US but in the rest of the industrialized world.

There isn't any problem with a transnational company. It is headquarter in America. That makes it an American company doing business in other nations.

By that logic, Amnesty International is a British organization because it is headquartered in London and the Red Cross is a Swiss organization because it is headquartered in Geneva. In fact there could never be any international organizations because they're always headquartered somewhere.

No,hardly a canard and Putin keeps it fresh.

List of journalists killed in the United States

List of journalists killed in Europe

Yet only in Russia are these assassinations blamed on the government. Why the double standard? Trump actually called the press out on this once and even the Washington Post had to reluctantly concede that he was right.

 
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Denial of access to social media does severely limit ones ability to communicate, not just in the US but in the rest of the industrialized world.

I'm not sure I can agree with that, particularly since there are ways you can still spread your message on the Internet without social media. In some ways, it would be like me claiming, back in the 70s, that my ability to communicate was severely limited by not being able to get on TV or radio. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee you an audience, just that you are free to spread your message by the methods available to you -- even if that is just a soapbox in a park.

By that logic, Amnesty International is a British organization because it is headquartered in London and the Red Cross is a Swiss organization because it is headquartered in Geneva. In fact there could never be any international organizations because they're always headquartered somewhere.

Yes, AI is British and the International Red Cross is Swiss -- since they are chartered and headquartered in those countries, they are bound by the laws and regulations of those countries. It is also why you have an affiliate organization, the American Red Cross that is headquartered in Washington, D.C. -- so that they have a US arm of the charity, operating under US charter and law, that gives them extra "rights and privileges" under US law to perform their charitable work in the US.

List of journalists killed in Europe

Yet only in Russia are these assassinations blamed on the government. Why the double standard? Trump actually called the press out on this once and even the Washington Post had to reluctantly concede that he was right.

The big difference in the assassinations in Russia, versus the ones in the US and Europe that you pointed out, is that there seem to have been far more, since about 2000, in Russia than in the "Western World" (Western European countries and the US), and that fact that the ones in Russia have largely gone unsolved (per one fact checking site, one was adjudicated -- with the person in jail -- and two were partially, the person who hired the murders was never brought to justice, 31 others were never solved). By contrast, the cases of journalists being killed in the US and Western Europe have largely all been successfully solved and prosecuted in the courts (in the cases where the perpetrator lived through the attack).

Now, as the fact checks claim, there is no evidence Putin is ordering the murders, with many even stating they believe Putin isn't directly ordering the murders. OTOH, they point out that Putin creates the environment where these murders are allowed to occur and remain unsolved; and that he may even encourage (and reward) those who actually do order the attacks.
 
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