Yugioh something I saw that disturbed me. Please read.

[Kelly]

Pokemon doesn't involve magic.

 

[armed2010]

wow what a debate!!! umm i dont and wont subject my child to anything dealing with witchcraft, magic, occult issues, or anything that is close to it until he is old enough to know the difference between real, fantasy, and an abomination. this includes certain disney movies, pokemon, yugioh and anything else like that. i know what effect these things had on me growing up and i dont want my baby to have to go through the same things i did... i applaud the parents who take the time to really evaluate what is going on in their children's lives, get info, and make valid educated decisions. that's all i have to say on the subject. God bless!

So what are you going to do, chain your childs eyelids shut and keep him in a cardboard box till hes 21?

 

[kingzjewel]

okay all you sarcastic ppl... i guess i will answer one more time before i put this debate to rest. there is such thing as skyangel satellite which does not involve anything but christian programming. we are planning on homeschooling as well. and pokemon are named after japenese demons.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

okay all you sarcastic ppl... i guess i will answer one more time before i put this debate to rest. there is such thing as skyangel satellite which does not involve anything but christian programming. we are planning on homeschooling as well. and pokemon are named after japenese demons.

No, they aren't. Pokemon itself is from 'Pocket Monster', and the names of individual Pokemon are similar contractions, like Pikachu, from the Pika, the animal it looks like.

Don't be scared. The universe is not the scary place paranoia theology makes it.

 

[kingzjewel]

well whatever. you all can live in your little worlds and i will live in mine. none of this has anything to do with Jesus coming back so it is inconsequential. Hope to see you all in the second coming and God bless.

 

[armed2010]

well whatever. you all can live in your little worlds and i will live in mine. none of this has anything to do with Jesus coming back so it is inconsequential. Hope to see you all in the second coming and God bless.

You seem to be the one living in your own little world. Pokemon are named after demons???? I didnt realise sparrow, electabuzz, jigglypuff, squirtle, charizard, etc, were demons. I suggest you actually LEARN about the things your trying to put down, instead of pulling arguments out of thin air like you seem to be doing.

 

[true]

Pokemon is essentially about good vs. evil, and good always wins. Always.

 

[Susan]

okay all you sarcastic ppl... i guess i will answer one more time before i put this debate to rest. there is such thing as skyangel satellite which does not involve anything but christian programming. we are planning on homeschooling as well. and pokemon are named after japenese demons.

I'm not being sarcastic, and I was trying to stay out of this debate as welll, if only for the sake of my developing headache, LOL . However, I want you to present some evidence that Pokemon are named after Japanese demons.

You see, for a while I wanted to be in missions work in Japan (until I found out that I would most likely be rejected, and after I read a few missionary biographies and realized that such work requires someone a lot better than me). As a result, I actually studied Christianity in contrast to Japanese religion as a hobby for a little while, that includes Shinto, Buddhism, and even a couple cults (Soka Gakkai and Aum Shinri Kyo/Aleph). I have not seen anything resembling Pokemon names in any of these religions.

So I'd like to see some convincing evidence (i.e. a Shinto or Buddhist text, a quote from a priest of either faith, something "from the horse's mouth," not just a Berit Kjos article), and until I do, I must consider this claim to be IMHO absolutely, absurdly false.

By the way, I made a post on the other issue you're addressing in your post (regarding sheltering) in a discussion on another board. I'll link that if anyone wants to see it, because writing it over again would be rather pointless.

 

[jsj777]

As a parent and a pastor, I've been amazed at my first exposure to this forum and this subject, that all the discussion has centered around what PEOPLE think, and how much of the the occult & violence we can subject our children to without undue negative influence - all without one mention of what God says about it.

I'm going to take a great leap of faith and trust that those who frequent this Christian Forum really are Christians (those who have been genuinely born again by the Holy Spirit rather than those who think they are Christians because they attend a church somewhere).

If we have the same Holy Spirit in us to lead us into all truth (Jn 16:13)and rely on the same standard of truth - the Bible, we have a common basis of discussion. Otherwise we're just throwing around opinion and human reasoning which is a waste of time.

I've just begun researching yu-gi-oh and haven't seen the videos but it doesn't take a Solomon to look at the cards and read the descriptions to instantly raise a red flag.

At least some of the characters are images of actual demons, not the creation of someone's imagination. A friend of mine who is a grappler, and isn't afraid of anything, almost freaked out when he recognized one of the cards as a demon who is usually only revealed to those in the top eschelons of martial arts.

My nephew was recently discovered to be selling the cards behind his mother's back at school. He's been having nightmares and a demon from another of the cards appeared in his house and was seen by another family member.

But these experiences aside, what does God have to say about things like this? Does Yu-gi-oh fit the description of Phillipians 4:8, Matt 6:33, Psalms 34:14, Col 3:1-2 and countless other scriptures that instruct us as disciples of Jesus to follow after the things of God, rather than the things of the world? What would Jesus do? Does anyone think for a minute He would watch or play Yu-gi-oh?

If you think Yu-gi-oh is "ok" and you've been a Christian very long you should know that satan usually doesn't make open, brazen attacks on Christians, because if it's obvious sin, we're going to immediately reject it. So he starts out very subtly, disguising the false with enough truth to seem "ok, not that bad, there are worse things out there." Once we accept that, he takes us another step, then another step, like the frog in the pot that could have jumped out at any point as the heat was gradually raised, but he didn't recognize it until he boiled to death.

Yes, discussion is great and we should make every effort to help our children reach Godly decisions on their own. But when they don't, it is our God-given responsibility to be the spiritual heads of the family and "train up a child in the way he should go..." (Prov 22:6). The fact that he or she may not see any problem with bringing demonic cards (yes, yu-gi-oh cards are exactly that) into the house, doesn't mean we roll over and let them. We wouldn't let them bring cocaine or pornography into the house just because they fail to discern and appreciate the inherent dangers involved, and the occult is more dangerous than either.

For those of you parents who come to this realization, understand that you've got to take a stand. Deut 7:26 warns us "nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be a cursed thing like it ("doomed to destruction like it"-NKJV). You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing." (He's talking about carved images of false-demon gods).

I've researched the occult and cast enough demons out of people to understand the connection between playing with things like this and demonic oppression, changes in behavior, and long-term problems. Let your kids keep playing with it, and sooner or later you start seeing the grades dropping, the increased rebellion, the nightmares, the demonic activity in your house...

Again, the devil is not going to show up the next minute after you play Yu-gi-oh for the first time, because you would make the obvious connection and never play it again. But involvement with the occult does give demons a legal right to oppress you (Prov 26:2), and often that doesn't show up until years later. Any involvement with the occult must be repented of, renounced and usually requires some help with deliverance.

This whole discussion would never have taken place, other than to share information on the dangers behind Yu-gi-oh, if we would just apply the clear standards of the Word of God to this and any other distraction. Bottom line: DOES YU-GI-OH GLORIFY GOD? and WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

 

[MillyFan]

As a parent and a pastor, I've been amazed at my first exposure to this forum and this subject, that all the discussion has centered around what PEOPLE think, and how much of the the occult & violence we can subject our children to without undue negative influence - all without one mention of what God says about it.

That's because there is nothing in the Bible, chapter and verse, that specifically condemns YuGiOh, and this is an issue of people's personal opinions on whether other Scriptures apply to the issue.

I'm going to take a great leap of faith and trust that those who frequent this Christian Forum really are Christians (those who have been genuinely born again by the Holy Spirit rather than those who think they are Christians because they attend a church somewhere).

Are you questioning the salvation of those who disagree with you? Because if you are, that's called "flaming" and it's a big no-no here. I know that I have been born again by the Holy Spirit of God. Yet I still disagree with you.

If we have the same Holy Spirit in us to lead us into all truth (Jn 16:13)and rely on the same standard of truth - the Bible, we have a common basis of discussion. Otherwise we're just throwing around opinion and human reasoning which is a waste of time.

Actually, on this issue, no matter what, we are relying on our interpretations both of what God is telling us and of the Bible, since there is no direct commandment against anime, card games, or anything else being discussed per se. The issue is whether the commandments against occultism apply to YuGiOh, and in my opinion and that of many others here, they do not.

I've just begun researching yu-gi-oh and haven't seen the videos but it doesn't take a Solomon to look at the cards and read the descriptions to instantly raise a red flag.

This is your personal opinion and thought, most likely influenced by predetermined prejudices on the game and anime. i.e. you read a site condemning YuGiOh before you ever began your "research."

At least some of the characters are images of actual demons, not the creation of someone's imagination. A friend of mine who is a grappler, and isn't afraid of anything, almost freaked out when he recognized one of the cards as a demon who is usually only revealed to those in the top eschelons of martial arts.

Scary story, but totally unproven. Who is this friend, where did he learn this, what school of martial arts did he study in. . .I have a ton of questions about this, especially since I happen to know a person who practices martial arts online. . .and he was quite insulted at this little statement. As I post this, he just asked "and I have to wonder... was there even a grappling martial arts style?"

Let's just say I find this statement to smell fishier than the Tsukiji market on a bad day. I would ask him to post here, but he can't because he is a non-Christian.

My nephew was recently discovered to be selling the cards behind his mother's back at school. He's been having nightmares and a demon from another of the cards appeared in his house and was seen by another family member.

Again, unproven scare tactics. First, how old is your nephew? Who was the family member that allegedly saw the "demon," and what were the circumstances (i.e. could it have been a dream, a hallucination, a made-up story?) Look, if you want me to believe you, you must provide something more than these anecdotes.

But these experiences aside, what does God have to say about things like this? Does Yu-gi-oh fit the description of Phillipians 4:8, Matt 6:33, Psalms 34:14, Col 3:1-2 and countless other scriptures that instruct us as disciples of Jesus to follow after the things of God, rather than the things of the world? What would Jesus do? Does anyone think for a minute He would watch or play Yu-gi-oh?

Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but the Bible itself doesn't fit the description of Philippians 4:8 if Philippians 4:8 is used as a end-all standard for reading and viewing material. The Bible itself contains violence, references to sex, even a little bad language in an exchange recorded in Isaiah between kings of Israel and Asyria.

Not for one second am I comparing the Bible to YuGiOh, but I'm just making the point that if these verses were static commandments, large portions of the Old Testament would be proscribed as wrong and sinful using the same logic.

As for what would Jesus do, Jesus lived a life with a distinct mission. He had 33 years (give or take a few) on Earth as God in the flesh with the goal of bringing the lost to Himself, healing the sick, showing the love of God, dying for the sins of the world, rising from the grave, and ascending to Heaven. Therefore He would have had little to no time for recreation of any sort and as God did not need anything or anyone.

However, if YuGiOh had been around in the time of Jesus, we cannot be so sure that He would not have joined in a game. After all, He actually *the horror* talked to women who had "reputations" and went to parties held by sinful people-although He did not sin Himself. If He could save one soul with a conversation over some odd cards, He would most likely have done so.

If you think Yu-gi-oh is "ok" and you've been a Christian very long you should know that satan usually doesn't make open, brazen attacks on Christians, because if it's obvious sin, we're going to immediately reject it. So he starts out very subtly, disguising the false with enough truth to seem "ok, not that bad, there are worse things out there." Once we accept that, he takes us another step, then another step, like the frog in the pot that could have jumped out at any point as the heat was gradually raised, but he didn't recognize it until he boiled to death.

Again, you're presenting your personal opinion as if it is the truth of God Himself, and arguing this from the presupposition that YuGiOh is occult. Not all of us hold to that presupposition, and it would be nice for you to provide more evidence.

Yes, discussion is great and we should make every effort to help our children reach Godly decisions on their own. But when they don't, it is our God-given responsibility to be the spiritual heads of the family and "train up a child in the way he should go..." (Prov 22:6). The fact that he or she may not see any problem with bringing demonic cards (yes, yu-gi-oh cards are exactly that) into the house, doesn't mean we roll over and let them. We wouldn't let them bring cocaine or pornography into the house just because they fail to discern and appreciate the inherent dangers involved, and the occult is more dangerous than either.

Give us solid, documented evidence that YuGiOh is actually "demonic cards." What you have given so far doesn't count (and would be thrown out in a New York minute if presented in a court of law). Also, cocaine and pornography have been documented as harmful and harmful to minors by unbiased sources. YuGiOh has not been to my knowledge, and again, has not been proven by you to be occult. That is just your opinion.

For those of you parents who come to this realization, understand that you've got to take a stand. Deut 7:26 warns us "nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be a cursed thing like it ("doomed to destruction like it"-NKJV). You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing." (He's talking about carved images of false-demon gods).

He exactly is, and YuGiOh cards are NOT carved images of false demon-gods. I think you must be unfamiliar with what such an image *is.* Go look at some statues in India, a wooden juju charm, or some historical Greek statuary-that is the kind of thing He is talking about, not cards in a game.

I've researched the occult and cast enough demons out of people to understand the connection between playing with things like this and demonic oppression, changes in behavior, and long-term problems. Let your kids keep playing with it, and sooner or later you start seeing the grades dropping, the increased rebellion, the nightmares, the demonic activity in your house...

Nice scare tactics. However, all totally unproven and undocumented, and a fine example of the logical fallacy called the appeal to fear. By the way, I'd like to see your credentials since you like boasting on them so much. Who recognized you as a researcher on the occult? Do you have any degrees, any certificates, any recognition, anything of that sort? Any recognition as a researcher of comparative religions? If so, could you please give the references so some of us could check them out?

Also, where have you conducted these exorcisms? On whom have you conducted them? Is there any documentation of them?

Again, the devil is not going to show up the next minute after you play Yu-gi-oh for the first time, because you would make the obvious connection and never play it again. But involvement with the occult does give demons a legal right to oppress you (Prov 26:2), and often that doesn't show up until years later. Any involvement with the occult must be repented of, renounced and usually requires some help with deliverance.

Again, you have not proven YuGiOh to be demonic. Also, how can you prove that the "demonic problems" that showed up "years later" are in reality demonic problems and related to past sinful activities? And while I agree that occultism (just like any other sin) must be repented of and renounced, most often that is enough. I'll spare you my rant on the modern "deliverance" industry.

This whole discussion would never have taken place, other than to share information on the dangers behind Yu-gi-oh, if we would just apply the clear standards of the Word of God to this and any other distraction. Bottom line: DOES YU-GI-OH GLORIFY GOD? and WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

Niiice flame. You have just issued a veiled flame on the spiritual standing of everyone here, and I have previously addressed the issue of interpretation. Anyway, flames like that deserve reports, and I've discussed this with someone.

 

[Kelly]

I would worry more about a kid's feelings of greed over trying to get all the cards/catch 'em all, etc. I'd talk to him or her about dealing with possible jealousy over kids who might have more cards or the cards he wants.

 

[yugioh fan]

I am a young adult and like to watch Yu-gi-oh on a weekly basics. Also in my time watching the show i have collected some of the cards. Though some Anime is used to make pornography, the creator of this great show puts a lot of Christian influences. For the past few months I have been making a comparison between Christianity and Yu-gi-oh. I know some of this may be far fetched to some, but if you ever really got in depth to the show you will most likely come to the same conclusions as i did. Below is my findings so far.


Cast and Characters
Yugi Moto = the average living person
Yami Yugi = Jesus living through people who accepted him into their lives
Bakura = Anti-Christ
Joey Wheeler = John
Tea Gardner = Andrew
Tristan Taylor = James
Seto Kaiba = Hardened Heart
Maxamillion Pegasus and Marik Ishtar = Satin
Mai Valentine = Undecided

In the Dueling Deck
The Dual Deck = Bible
The Heart of the Cards = the text of the bible
Monster Cards = Holy Armies or Armies of the Wicked One
Magic and Trap Cards = Miracle, Temptations or Tests

The Dueling Arena
The Playing Field = Life
The Attacks = The Battle Between good and Evil
Life Points = The life span of humans
Graveyard = Death

Cards
The Three Egyptian God Cards = The Holy Trinity
Obelisk the Tormentor = The Holy Ghost
Slifer the Sky Dragon = Jesus
The Winged Dragon of Ra = God
Exodia the Forbidden One = Angle of Death
Monster Reborn = Eternal Life, Life After Death
Magic Cylinder = Sword of the Spirit
Change of Heart = The conversion of the unbeliever
Mirror Force = Protection from evil
Buster Blader = Michael the Archangel

Card Power levels
1-4 = People on Earth
5-6 = People in heaven
7-9 = Angles and Other Heavenly Bodies
10 = The Holy Trinity

Miscellaneous
The Shadow Realm = Hell


As for the Possession of the character Joey by the force of Marik, that can be seen how the devil can use anyone to serve his demonic purpose. That is also one little segment of three shows out of over 90. I know that some people who read this will not agree with my findings, but keep in mind that everyone intitled to their own oppion. If any readers want to discuss these thing with me I will be happy to talk to you over E:mail Revelation1v8@juno.com . in conclusion i feel that Yu-Gi-Oh should not be shunned by parents who say that it has no good qualities, but rather the parents should take the list above that i have provided and sit down with their kids while watching the show and explain what the show really means. Also if you feel that when you are watching the show and become confused about something, or don't know what something means don't hesitate to e:mail me and ask.

Thanks for taking the time to read this long rebuttle to the original

 

[PuppyforChrist]

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