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Youtube video on dispensationalism?

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Complete in Thee, Feb 15, 2018.

  1. Complete in Thee

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    I find it all confusing... I want to know what Dispensationalism is.
    Can anyone recommend a youtube video which goes through the basics of the doctrine.
    Ideally Classical Dispensationalism

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  2. Revived

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    Many would agree that Les Feldick is perhaps the best known teacher on dispensationalism/Paul's Mystery, the Body of Christ, etc. A good start would be maybe video #57 here: http://lesfeldick.net/books/5/

    This playlist has some topical subjects within dispensationalism as well: Q & A Series by Ricky Kurth, FAQ at the Berean Bible Society - YouTube

    Also, on my site, here's a good overview/study you can read through: Why All The Confusion, Debate, And Denominations Among Christians? | RevivedLife.com

    By the way, I'm glad you're asking. When I began to see the bible rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15), EVERYTHING became clear.

    Blessings, Grace, and Peace!
     
  3. Complete in Thee

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    Thank you.

    Do you have any modern videos you can suggest?
     
  4. Revived

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    The second link I posted is modern...from less than a year ago. I would highly recommend any video teaching by Pastor Kurth on that channel.

    Also, look for this program on your television: Transformed By Grace
     
  5. Danoh

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    The following is a basic 17 minute primer on...

    How to Rightly Divide Your Bible by Pastor Richard Jordan of Grace School of the Bible



    In memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.
     
  6. Danoh

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    Kurth is very sound in his Acts 9 Dispensationalism.

    Rom. 5: 6:8; 2 Cor. 5:19.
     
  7. Danoh

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    That video I posted by Jordan is from the Acts 9 Dispensational Position (that the Body began with Paul in Acts 9).

    Two key differences between Classic or Acts 2 Dispensationaliam and Acts 9 Dispensational are where each begins the Body (Acts 2 or Acts 9)...

    And what passages of Scripture each view holds are addressed to specifically to Israel and which are addressed specifically to the Body.

    If you'll move the timeline in the chart (Jordan lays out on that video) over to the left - to Pentecost - you'll basically have a chart of Classic Dispensationaliam aka Acts 2 Dispensationalism).

    For we hold various aspects of that chart in common with Acts 2.

    The difference being that Acts 2 never really did remain consistent in its Dispensational Distinctions - never really did go on to a further understanding of those things that differ between the Israel of God and the Body of Christ.

    For a great, simple primer on these distinctions, google the following words...

    pdf Understanding Your Bible - S. Craig MacDonald

    In memory of Rom. 5:6-8 - in each our stead.
     
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  8. notreligus

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    Les Feldick is Full Dispensational, and this is not what most folk know when it comes to Dispensationalism.

    I was dispensational for over 40 years and it was Les Feldick's teaching which finally convinced me that Dispensationalism - especially Full Dispensationalism - was a distortion of the truth of the Scriptures.

    Les Feldick teaches an extreme belief that Jews/Israel will be on the Earth eternally and Gentiles will be in Heaven eternally. Jews who believe in Messiah at the time of the rapture will be raptured but have to return to the Earth after the Tribulation Period. The New Jerusalem which is to come down to the Earth will contain the Gentiles, and the New Jerusalem will, according to Feldick, remain planetary to the Earth. This is about as wrong as "rightly dividing" could be.
     
  9. Complete in Thee

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    What is the standard view?
     
  10. Complete in Thee

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    Is there much difference between Classical and Progressive Dispensationalism?
     
  11. notreligus

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    What label you choose to put on it is up to you. One more Dispensational distinctive won't matter. When I was first exposed to Dispensationalism as a teen-ager it was a view that focused on these things:

    1. Israel's return to their original homeland in 1948 was an answer to Old Testament prophecy, and it was a sign that the return of Christ would be soon.
    2. The church would be raptured before the Tribulation Period.
    3. There would be a 1,000 year Millennium after the Tribulation Period.
    4. There was not much made of a distinction between Israel and the Gentiles as both would be present together during the Millennium. I remember that I thought that this Millennial kingdom would be populated with believers called the Church.

    I was first taught Dispensationalism by, believe it or not, a Restoration Movment Church of Christ preacher and elder. Both men carried and taught from the Scofield Bible.

    I may post a list of Millennial Alternatives which is quite a long list. It includes all of the theoretical proposed options of the Millennium which I have heard over the years. The Mid-Acts/Hyper/Full version is the most exaggerated version of all.

    One of the main Dispensational arguments is that "we take the Bible literally" as though others have no idea how to interpret the Bible as well as the Dispensationals. Finis Dake, a well-meaning preacher and a Dispensational, also came up with some pretty exaggerated doctrines of his own by his very literal interpretation of the Bible. In the Bible we read that man was created in God's own image. From that Dake decided to believe and teach that each person of the Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - has a body, a soul, and a spirit. There are many well-known Dispensational preachers who have received their theological educations from a Dake's Bible.

    John Hagee says that Jesus did not yet come as Messiah (since He did not set up a Millennial Kingdom). That's a form of ultra-literal interpretation which comes up with ultra-wrong ideas.
     
  12. ac28

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    The terms "full" and "partial" dispensationalism are made-up terms used by those who have no idea what dispensationalism is all about. Dispensationalists are the only ones I know of who obey the instruction of right division in 2Tim 2:15. According to that verse, since only dispensationalists rightly divide, only dispensationalists are approved unto God and only dispensationalists needeth not to feel ashamed. Read it and see.

    With some corrections, Feldick seems fairly close to the truth. If anything, his brand of dispensationalism isn't extreme enough. The Gentile Church of today started in Acts 28:28, when the salvation of God was taken from Israel, because of their non-acceptance of Christ, and given to the Gentiles. At that same time, Israel became fully blinded and were set aside. In Rom 11, it says Israel was blinded in part, but full blindness didn't occur until Paul pronounced them fully blind, by reciting the curse of Isa 6:9-10 to the Pharisees, in Ac 28:26-27. Paul (only) had continually received special revelations from God since Acts 9, on the Damascus Road. He knew exactly what to say, whom to say it to, and when to say it.

    During Acts, the ONLY purpose was to convert Israel, as a nation, and convince them that Christ was their promised Messiah. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required signs and wonders) and the sole reason for the Gentiles being let in (to provoke Israel to Jealousy), starting in Ac 10 with Cornelius, 8 years after Acts 2, Pentecost. This is why Paul, THE apostle to the Gentiles, always went to the Jew first. In Mt 23:39, Christ said He wouldn't return until until Israel accepted Him. Also, look at Ac 3:19-21. It still hasn't happened. The purpose of Acts most certainly was NOT to start a Church. The same with the Gospels. The gospel preached by the Pentecost Jews and the 12 and Paul during Acts to Israel was the Gospel of the Kingdom, the same that Christ preached during His ministry. The Kingdom wouldn't start until Israel repented. A mentor of mine liked to say that, had Israel repented during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.

    What people have problems with is the fact that the Church (I prefer the word assembly) in Acts was all Jewish. It was composed of those Jews and Gentiles that had believed the Gospel of the Kingdom and went further, by believing Paul's Gospel of Salvation in 1Cor 15:1-4. These Jews and Gentiles formed the Acts assembly. However, all saved Gentiles became grafted into Israel, the good olive tree. Therefore, the assembly, or church, during all of Acts was Jewish. When Israel was set aside in Ac 28:28, everything associated with Israel was also set aside. This included the Acts Church, the Gifts, the Rapture, all fulfillment of prophecy, all of the books written during Acts, including Paul's 1st 7 books, Rom, Gal, 1&2Cor, 1&2Th, and Heb, etc. None of these things apply directly TO anyone living today or during the past 1950 years. All scripture is written FOR me, but, as a Gentile, very little is written TO me. These are epistles, letters, and only Paul's last 7 letters have my name, or yours, or anybody's today, written as the address on the envelope.

    After Acts, Paul was directed by God to start a brand new church, where the members are the actual Body of Jesus Christ, where He is the Head. These members are those Jews and Gentiles who believe Paul's Gospel and there is pure equality in this Church.This church is covered ONLY in Paul's last 7 books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. Instead of the Jewish rapture, the members of this church will be resurrected at Christ's Appearing, as in many verses, the best of which is:
    Col 3:1-4
    1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
    2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
    3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
    4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

    We members of this Church are hid in Christ, who is sitting at the right hand of God, Far Above All Heavens. When Christ first appears to His creation in Heaven, we will immediately be resurrected in Glory and will appear with Him in Glory (vs 4 above). Note in Ps 8:2 that Glory is located above the Heavens. The after-Acts church, found ONLY in Paul's last 7 epistles are the only people in the Bible that have an opportunity of spending eternity in Heaven. However, most who see this calling don't think it's automatic. Like salvation, it's free but, like salvation, you must see it, believe it , and claim the gift. Why do we believe this? Look at Paul's prayer, in Eph. If this were automatic, why would Paul pray that we see it? If it were automatic, why even have Paul's last 7 books at all?

    Eph 1:16-23
    16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
    17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
    18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
    19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
    20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
    21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
    22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
    23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

    The Greek phrase, translated"Heavenly Places" here, vs 20, occurs 5 times in Ephesians, and nowhere else in the Bible. It means, Supra-Heavens.

    In the passage below, Paul says his job is to make all men see the fellowship of The Mystery, which has been hid in God since the world began. The word fellowship should be read as Dispensation, to make things more accurate. This Mystery is basically the accumulation of all the brand new things offered in Paul's last 7 books and it's hard to pin down in one sentence. Don't confuse this mystery with the one in Rom 16, which was hid in the scripture of the prophets. This new mystery was not in any part of scripture, hid or otherwise, until Paul revealed it in his after-Acts books.

    Eph 3:8-9
    8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
    9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God

    If you can't see Heaven written all over these passages, you better forget what you think you know, and start digging in Eph and Col. Don't miss out

    One of the hardest things is to figure out where everyone is going to end up. There are 3 places where people will go - 4 including the White Throne Judgement. Each has their own separate resurrection.
    1- Heaven - those who SEE and believe the truth of the Mystery and the new church in Paul's post-Acts epistles - the Appearing
    2- New Jerusalem - those Jews and Gentiles in Acts who believed Paul's Gospel of Salvation in 1Co15:1-4- The NJ comes down out of Heaven and docks on the New Earth - the Rapture - the NJ is not Heaven.
    3- The New Earth - the Nation of Israel, all of whom will eventually believe the Gospel of the Kingdom
    4- The White Throne Judgement - Everyone left over = all people that ever lived. - Those that pass the judgement will be on the New Earth. Those that don't will cease to exist. No Pagan Hell and no Pagan separate soul. Many believe that the saved Gentiles who DON'T see the truth in Paul's last 7 books, will go through the WTJ and end up on Earth. I'm still thinking about that one.

    That's how I see it. I do believe there will be a lot more people with an eternal afterlife in the presence of God than the fire and brimstone preachers think there will be. I know those lovers of the non-existent Pagan hell will be disappointed, all those that want all that are beneath them, in piety, to BURN, BABY, BURN.
     
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