Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Aman777]

-_- because he is a disgrace to all tangerines.

LOL. Did you notice his number when he insisted on meeting with N. Korea on 6/12/18? Beware any so called "peace treaty" which comes from the talks.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Aman777]

Written by an entity that respirates, eats, uses organic muscles for moving about, and expels organic waste.

Only temporarily. When Jesus appears, this corruption will put on incorruption
1Co 15:42 and fly away from this valley of the shadow of Death.

 

[PsychoSarah]

LOL. Did you notice his number when he insisted on meeting with N. Korea on 6/12/18? Beware any so called "peace treaty" which comes from the talks.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Honestly, I view calling that an instance of 666 to be silly. As the actual numbers, it's 61218, which has no significance I know of, as numbers divisible by 6, it'd be 123, which can serve as some mild amusement but little else. If you count it as the number of 6's, it'd be 66666, which isn't six 6's or three of them. Plus, our modern Calendar isn't the same as the one used at the time the bible was written, meaning the date on that calendar probably doesn't have anything numerically interesting to speak of. Yeah, that date with the Hebrew calendar is the 5th of Tamuz, 5778. In the Julian calendar, the day is June 5, I think with the same year as the Gregorian calendar, I'm not entirely sure.

Calendar dates are ultimately arbitrary, so I don't view the numbers that events fall on to be particularly significant. I find it neat when dates are the same number in a row (who else is hyped for February 2, 2022?), but no more.

I've mentioned before that even if I was a Christian, I wouldn't view Donald Trump as an antichrist. Most of the verses in the bible depict them as people that declare themselves to be god, or outright reject god. Of the antichrist relevant verses, only 1 of them fits Trump fairly well, but it could fit anyone not expected to become an important figure that does, and most elected world leaders get there through being complete brown nosers:

Daniel 11:21
"In his place shall arise a contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given. He shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

But honestly, that sounds more like someone manipulating Trump than Trump himself, in my opinion. A lot of the verses are extremely vague, which is why so many people have been called the antichrist.

I stand by my position that the Christian end times are not near, for the bible claims that no one will expect it when it comes. Tons of people expect the end to be near, so if it does occur soon, it won't match the Christian end times prophecies.

 

[PsychoSarah]

no problem. in this case we can claim for different molecular clock rate, or we can claim for a different phylogeny.

That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever, considering that to not have a high mutation rate would mean lacking too much genetic similarity to be the same species as ourselves. That is, a high mutation rate is something that comes with being a member of the species Homo sapiens.

Also, you apparently don't understand that it is impossible for our species to have a different phylogeny from other apes as per the theory of evolution. Hence why I stated that it is impossible for different groups of mammals to have developed entirely independently from others; too many identical genes for them all to have developed the same simply by chance, and you have no evidence for otherwise.

i don't need to. its a theoretical situation to show that evolution can't be false even in this case.

And if you want to deal in just theoretical situations that don't happen, please do explain how a pig giving birth to a human with no human intervention or mad scientist shennanigans WOULDN'T disprove not only evolution, but multiple theories in biology? You see, this is the problem with your claims. If you don't have the evidence to disprove evolution, you can't claim that it has just been waved away, because no actual events have occurred. You cannot assert the reaction of the scientific community would be such and such if there is no precedent for it. That's what makes your hypothetical situations entirely useless.

The closest you can get to knowing what the reaction of the scientific community would be for an event without precedent is by asking actual people that are a part of it how they would respond. And I am telling you, as a person with an actual biology degree, that there are TONS of hypothetical situations that, if they actually occurred, I would view evolution as utterly destroyed. But that's not good enough for you, and since your hypothetical scenarios aren't real, you'll likely never get to observe what the actual response would be. If observing it first hand is the only way for you to view the response as confirmed, then your hypotheticals are pointless wastes of time.

i showed it by the fact that we can always claim for a convergent loss.

Convergent loss doesn't produce genes. To assert convergent loss could produce mammals independently assumes that the reptile ancestors of mammals just happened to have bunch of mammal specific genes that were never expressed until much later. It doesn't make sense.

We've gone so far down the rabbit hole of your original claim that mammal lineages could feasibly evolve independently without violating the theory of evolution that you are treating convergent loss as your original claim. But it wasn't, and I never stated that convergent loss couldn't occur to some extent. Without ALL individuals aside from members of two distant species lacking a gene, however, you cannot claim that convergent loss could give the false impression of identical genes arising independently. It HAS TO BE ALL BUT THOSE TWO DISTANT LINEAGES OR YOUR POINT IS MOOT.

so even if we will find a cat with a human gene we can always say that these gene was lost in all other genomes between cat and human, or we can claim for lgt or any other scenario we can think of.

I'm not going to stop saying NO to that just because you repeat it over and over despite not providing sufficient evidence for it. By the way, I bolded the words I fixed your spelling of. You're welcome, everyone else that reads this.

Heck, you are assuming that in your hypothetical scenario that it would be impossible to tell if the genes arose independently versus the silly convergent loss in all but 2 lineages situation, neglecting to consider the fact that mutations are still happening. If identical genes arose in separate lineages all the time, then it shouldn't just occur in the distant past. Of the 40-60 mutations all humans are born with, some should result in genes identical to distant lineages. It would have been noticed when the database for human lineages was being made, because some people would randomly have cat genes while others don't, and you'd be able to check the genes of their parents and identify if the mutation was unique to them, entirely ruling out the convergent loss explanation.

The most hilarious part, though, has to be that you aren't talking about disproving evolution in the sense that this would demonstrate that it is impossible for populations to change over time over many generations. You are talking about disproving specific aspects of it, but not any relevant to creationists/ID supporters.

 

[Aman777]

I stand by my position that the Christian end times are not near, for the bible claims that no one will expect it when it comes. Tons of people expect the end to be near, so if it does occur soon, it won't match the Christian end times prophecies.

Trump was a liar from the beginning. Jhn 8:44 Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) fit the description better than Trump, showing that few will recognize anti-Christ when he appears. The difference is that this is the last generation to get the chance to recognize him. God Bless you

 

[PsychoSarah]

Trump was a liar from the beginning. Jhn 8:44 Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) fit the description better than Trump, showing that few will recognize anti-Christ when he appears. The difference is that this is the last generation to get the chance to recognize him. God Bless you

Nah, I am pretty sure most powerful politicians and every pope ever have been implied by some people to be harbingers of the end times. Heck, Obama got hit hard with that, and he was a super popular US president, relatively speaking.

 

[Aman777]

Nah, I am pretty sure most powerful politicians and every pope ever have been implied by some people to be harbingers of the end times. Heck, Obama got hit hard with that, and he was a super popular US president, relatively speaking.

The difference in the last generation is that they have the "increased knowledge" Daniel 12:4 which allows them to recognize that only God could have written Genesis. Knowledge is the acquired wisdom of mankind throughout time, which has been made totally available by the Internet. It's the secret of understanding the Bible.

In the last generation, God will pour out His Spirit (God's Spirit is the Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh. Joe 2:28 and Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

Atheists agnostics and all unbelievers are included since they are also flesh. Can you tell us another way in which ALL flesh will believe God's Truth? It comes from the increased knowledge of the Truth revealed by Science, in the last days before Jesus returns, in agreement with Genesis. That's God's Truth.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

They really believe evolution is true they are not actually lying. What i mean is that we came to this world because luck was on our side is a complete lie. That is what evolution says that with some luck and natural selection you can get advanced animals and humans.

It is my faith that God was involved in the origin of life and it was never just "luck". After all, Who is it that supplied the laws of chemistry and physics together with a whole universe that obeys those laws? To me, a whole law abiding universe is a strong indication there is a God. And if its true that God is Love, then I expect to find life all over the universe as a consequence of His love, but also in accordance with those laws He sustains.

 

[AV1611VET]

And if its true that God is Love, then I expect to find life all over the universe as a consequence of His love, but also in accordance with those laws He sustains.

There is life all over this universe; from end to end.

But not the kind that science can detect; science is myopic.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

There is life all over this universe; from end to end.

But not the kind that science can detect; science is myopic.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Well, you know, at this present time most living things outside of earth are treating our planet as under quarantine.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, you know, at this present time most living things outside of earth are treating our planet as under quarantine.

Biological life on other planets can't find us.

Our Aricebo message shows our solar system having nine planets.



Notice the nine planets from the sun there in the yellow, with the Earth elevated for identification?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Biological life on other planets can't find us.

Our Aricebo message shows our solar system having nine planets.

I think the Aricebo message will be very very difficult to find out there so don't worry to much about the aliens being led astray.

And the plutonium ball that powered the craft will tell them how long ago it was made; they can then backtrack its path and see where it came from.

 

[AV1611VET]

And the plutonium ball that powered the craft will tell them how long ago it was made; they can then backtrack its path and see where it came from.

Interesting.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Interesting.

Careful there, you aren't supposed to like science. The temptation to like the universe and figure out what goes on in it is . . . . contrary to your stated slogan.

 

[NBB]

Thinking about design and food:

Teeth are connected in design to mouth and throat and tongue and
taste buds and stomach, intestines and the exit. For sure i'm missing a lot of parts.
And the food we find on earth is good for us.

It seems that randomness 'had in mind' a single objective when adding features. How?

Evolutionists would say the process of evolution doesn't track anything but damn it did a good job anyway doing so!

How? they do not know if told you they know is a lie.

Evolution process knows nothing and came up with a human body, it has no consciousness but built one (evolutionists would say).

 

[VirOptimus]

Thinking about design and food:

Teeth are connected in design to mouth and throat and tongue and
taste buds and stomach, intestines and the exit. For sure i'm missing a lot of parts.
And the food we find on earth is good for us.

It seems that randomness 'had in mind' a single objective when adding features. How?

Evolutionists would say the process of evolution doesn't track anything but damn it did a good job anyway doing so!

How? they do not know if told you they know is a lie.

Evolution process knows nothing and came up with a human body, it has no consciousness but built one (evolutionists would say).

Word salad, try again.

 

[NBB]

Really word salad?
What i said:
'Evolution' with its randonmess (actually God) made several parts work together each one with the same purpose of making use of food. But evolutionist would say evolution doesn't keep track of anything. Do you understand what i am saying? Randomness Overpowered much?

 

[NBB]

Word salad, try again.

Don't you see that you have to have the others parts in mind when constructing a new one in my example?

 

[NBB]

The parts compliment each other well, work together, parts accommodates each other.
That shows that the design has behind an observing mind able work out how some part can fit with another. There is no way around it. Animals and human are intelligently constructed.
But evolutionists say evolution doesn't keep track of anything! so themselves they debunk.

 

[VirOptimus]

Really word salad?
What i said:
'Evolution' with its randonmess (actually God) made several parts work together each one with the same purpose of making use of food. But evolutionist would say evolution doesn't keep track of anything. Do you understand what i am saying? Randomness Overpowered much?

No, your post(s) are just incoherent ignorance. You dont seem to know anything about science or theology.