Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Aman777]

The 'debate' was settled over a hundred years ago. What is happening today isn't debate ; it's denial.

Amen, since denial is what the godless people who changed descent with modification within kinds started with. Then they advanced on to telling mankind that they don't believe God since they know more than He does.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Typical remark from someone who cannot refute me (prove me wrong) either Scripturally scientifically or historically. FYI, My view agrees with every other discovered Truth of mankind, as you will soon see. God Bless you

I don't have to refute you because:

A) You haven't presented anything other than claims,
B) All the evidence we have demonstrates your claims wrong already, and
C) You haven't been able to explain why the evidence we already have should be set aside or ignored.​

False. The only thing that has changed is its name. Descent with modification within kinds was changed into the godless term "evolution" by godless people who wished to eliminate God from His Own Creation. Be ashamed of lying to children.

That's just wishful thinking in the face of irrefutable evidence.

The DNA of all life on this planet shares genetic hereditary and it can and has already been traced to demonstrate the tree (and in some early parts, bush) of life. It doesn't eliminate your (or anyone elses') God from this equation unless your interpretation of your God requires individual and unique creation of various life forms that we see today - because that didn't happen.

 

[PsychoSarah]

lets say for the sake of the a rgument that its a real track.

No. I'm done with your hypotheticals, and I already demonstrated how insignificant it would be even if it was. That you can't seem to understand that this isn't the same thing as a Precambrian rabbit sounds like a personal problem you don't feel like fixing.

actually its more like 162345 since its predate about 5 missing links between fish and tetrapod evolution:

(image from wiki)


but as you can see: no one is claiming that evolution is false.

-_- why would people claim evolution was false based on a likely misidentified fossil? This is why I refused to agree to your premise of assuming that it was real for the sake of argument; the evaluation of the fossil is far too questionable in reality. I told you, I am not dealing with your hypotheticals anymore. The reality is that the identification of these fossils as belonging to tetrapods is questionable at best. You have to accept that reality.

Also, in case you didn't notice, a ton of those transitionals have overlapping ranges in which they lived, even based on the fossils we have. They are cousins, not direct ancestors to each other. In fact, if you bother to observe the thin lines of the cladogram, not a single one of these is listed as a species at the base of a branching point.

Also, are you just going to ignore the fact that the fossil record for this time period is extremely incomplete relative to anything more modern? You want irrefutable evidence against evolution, and the best way to do that is for something so drastic it cannot reasonably be explained away. A Precambrian rabbit is so far off from where mammals originated as to be entirely inexplicable via evolution. These tracks... not so much. Maybe you'd have a point if this was a reptile fossil, but it isn't.

first: what is the problem with 22 gene loss actually? we can claim that these species were just dont need this gene anymore so they lost it. no problem.

2) we actually do find similar cases. for instance:

Evolution by gene loss

"To date, the red flour beetle (Tribolium casteneum) has preserved the largest number of patchy orthologues that are also present in humans but that were lost in all other sequenced insects"

see how we can always claim for a gene loss?

-_- and yet, that beetle species doesn't share any more genes with humans than the things actually more closely related to humans, such as other vertebrates, as can easily be seen in the relevant cladogram:
Figure 1: The wingless (Wnt) family: a paradigmatic example of the pervasiveness of gene loss during metazoan evolution.

Plus, you are forgetting time scale again, as well as the simple fact that in no instance is every gene lost that would otherwise indicate that these genes are the result of shared ancestry. In order for this to be anything like the situation you outlined. EVERY SINGLE ORGANISM between the lineages of this beetle species and humans would have to lack at least 1 of the genes that they share. That's not what the cladogram presents at all.

Remember, you fell into this hole of "deletions giving the impression of independently derived genes", as somehow being an excuse people could give to defend evolution. Yet, you have failed once again to show that any instance of convergent deletion has ever been pervasive enough to do that. For example, in order for these deletions to give the illusion of independently arising genes, all organisms between the beetle and the human would have to lack, say, the Wnt11 gene aside from humans and the beetles. You'll notice none of the genes even come close to that. This isn't even a similar situation, let alone a comparable one, to the one you demand to be possible.

So, where's the strawberry with hair follicle genes? Are you going to present evidence for your actual claims or not?

 

[Aman777]

The DNA of all life on this planet shares genetic hereditary and it can and has already been traced to demonstrate the tree (and in some early parts, bush) of life.

Does Human intelligence appear in genetics? No. Checking the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people confirms Genesis 6:4 which shows that Humans and the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce offspring. Since there were some 1 Million prehistoric people here when the Ark arrived, ALL Humans have the genetics of Humans (His kind) Gen 2:7 and sons of God (Their kind) Gen 1:21 within their veins. Since NO man could have known this more than 3k years ago, its proof of God.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Does Human intelligence appear in genetics? No. Checking the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people confirms Genesis 6:4 which shows that Humans and the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce offspring. Since there were some 1 Million prehistoric people here when the Ark arrived, ALL Humans have the genetics of Humans (His kind) Gen 2:7 and sons of God (Their kind) Gen 1:21 within their veins. Since NO man could have known this more than 3k years ago, its proof of God.

proof of elaborate deception more like it... As a matter of fact, there is a measurable increase in the intelligence of humans throughout the ages, no injection of non-existent intelligence laden parallel humans for which there's no evidence whatsoever required at all (and ironically would had to have contained a near identical genome anyway, replete with all the ERVs otherwise there's no interbreeding between them)

 

[Ophiolite]

Sorry, but that's an oxymoron. Christians are those who have been born Spiritually by God the Trinity. Gen 1:26 John 14:16 Rom 8:9 We were born Spiritually, into the 3rd Heaven like you were born physically in the present 2nd Heaven. You cannot change either fact.

Meanwhile, on planet Earth, the natives understand exactly what I meant. Even the least educated and foolish of them are astute enough to ignore a worldview that gives unique a whole new meaning. Rhetorical question: why did I click the line that said Show Ignored Messages?

 

[xianghua]

-_- why would people claim evolution was false based on a likely misidentified fossil? This is why I refused to agree to your premise of assuming that it was real for the sake of argument; the evaluation of the fossil is far too questionable in reality. I told you, I am not dealing with your hypotheticals anymore. The reality is that the identification of these fossils as belonging to tetrapods is questionable at best. You have to accept that reality.

the problem here is that even if its a true fossil no one is claiming that evolution is false because of that. so what they do in such a case? one possibility is to claim for convergent evolution. means that tetrapod evolved twice. the second possibility is to push back tetrapod origin. and indeed we have other evidence which point to this possibility:

Rise of the Earliest Tetrapods: An Early Devonian Origin from Marine Environment

"According to our analysis this evolution occurred at about 397–416 MYA during the Early Devonian unlike previously thought"

so now we see that we can push back human to dinos age without a real problem for evolution.

Also, in case you didn't notice, a ton of those transitionals have overlapping ranges in which they lived, even based on the fossils we have. They are cousins, not direct ancestors to each other. In fact, if you bother to observe the thin lines of the cladogram, not a single one of these is listed as a species at the base of a branching point.

and even so they predate these tracks. and by this way you can ignore any fossil.

Also, are you just going to ignore the fact that the fossil record for this time period is extremely incomplete relative to anything more modern?

again; we can claim this for any given fossil.

You want irrefutable evidence against evolution, and the best way to do that is for something so drastic it cannot reasonably be explained away.

i just show you that even a human with dino fossil can be explain by this way.

EVERY SINGLE ORGANISM between the lineages of this beetle species and humans would have to lack at least 1 of the genes that they share.

again: what is the problem? if a gene can be lost several times why not more few times? there is no real limit for such situation.

So, where's the strawberry with hair follicle genes? Are you going to present evidence for your actual claims or not?

what about these case?:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/humans-may-harbor-more-100-genes-other-organisms

and guess what?: "but says that there are other explanations for the identified genes being present in only some branches of the evolutionary tree—a gene that existed in a far-off ancestor could have simply been lost in many relatives other than two seemingly unrelated species, for instance. “

this is just what i said. see how easy it is to explain anything by evolution?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

the problem here is that even if its a true fossil no one is claiming that evolution is false because of that. so what they do in such a case? one possibility is to claim for convergent evolution. means that tetrapod evolved twice. the second possibility is to push back tetrapod origin. and indeed we have other evidence which point to this possibility:

Rise of the Earliest Tetrapods: An Early Devonian Origin from Marine Environment

"According to our analysis this evolution occurred at about 397–416 MYA during the Early Devonian unlike previously thought"

so now we see that we can push back human to dinos age without a real problem for evolution.

You have some very creative ideas on what you think would not falsify evolution if it was supposed to falsify evolution - do you have any real world examples? Because pushing humans back to 60mya because "tetrapods" is just showing your statement to be uninformed... to be charitable...

Humans are demonstrably reliant on Homininans (traits shared between Homo and Pan), which are reliant on Hominidaes (traits shared between Human, Chimps and Gorillas), which are reliant on Hominoidea (Great Ape family including Orangutans), which are reliant on Catarrhini (traits shared with Old World Monkeys and us Apes), which are reliant on Simiiformes (traits shared between new world and old world Monkeys), which are reliant on Haplorhinis (traits shared between all the dry nosed Tarsiers and us Simians), which are reliant on Primates (traits shared between strepsirrhines and haplorhines), which are reliant on Primatomorpha (traits shared between dermoptera and primates), which are reliant on Euarchonta (traits are shared between Glires and us Euarchontas), which are reliant on Euarchontoglires (traits shared between Scandentia and Euarchonta, though this exact placement is partially unresolved), which are reliant on Boreoeutheria (traits shared between Laurasiatheria and Euarchontoglires), which are reliant on Exafroplacentalia (sharing traits between Xenarthra and Boreoeutheria), which are reliant on Placentalia (traits shared between Afrotheria and Exafroplacentalia), which are reliant on Eutheria (one of three groups of mammals, others are Monotremes and Marsupials), which are reliant on Mammalia, etc. and we are only up to Mammals yet, Tetrapods are essentially all animals sporting genetics for 4 limbs and a tail - hardly an exclusive club to say the least... it's a long list. but even the list I provided there requires all the traits of the previous group to evolve before the next group speciates to start its unique evolution of traits. In order to push back humans to Dino ages, you'll have to show each and every parent group I mentioned having been there first. Good luck with that.

I guess what I'm saying is, you don't seem to understand that the entire tree of life is entirely reliant on all these subgroups upon subgroups upon subgroups that actually fit the forms of life we see in every facet of science we can apply to it, whether it be genetics and DNA, Biology, or Taxonomy, or Paleontology, Geology, etc. They've all confirmed this branching tree of life with very few unknowns. We may jostle some twigs as our knowledge improves, but you seem to completely lack an understanding of how thoroughly we've tested the Theory of Evolution, and it prevails every time.

i just show you that even a human with dino fossil can be explain by this way.

Not even in your own dreams.

what about these case?:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/humans-may-harbor-more-100-genes-other-organisms

and guess what?: "but says that there are other explanations for the identified genes being present in only some branches of the evolutionary tree—a gene that existed in a far-off ancestor could have simply been lost in many relatives other than two seemingly unrelated species, for instance. “

this is just what i said. see how easy it is to explain anything by evolution?

These are known phenomenon in genetics. It remains to be seen if these other methods are indeed what happened, but the fact remains that of the 20,000 or so active genes in the human genome, these 145 or so unaccounted for genes are minor given the hundreds of millions of years of evolutonary heritage we do account for. As the article says, we might still find they're of vertical inheritance and that fragments of these genes will be found in those other species sharing close heritage. Just because we don't find them operational in the genome of in-between species, doesn't mean there's no remnant of those genes there.

 

[Erik Nelson]

I don't have to refute you because:

A) You haven't presented anything other than claims,
B) All the evidence we have demonstrates your claims wrong already, and
C) You haven't been able to explain why the evidence we already have should be set aside or ignored.​

That's just wishful thinking in the face of irrefutable evidence.

The DNA of all life on this planet shares genetic hereditary and it can and has already been traced to demonstrate the tree (and in some early parts, bush) of life. It doesn't eliminate your (or anyone elses') God from this equation unless your interpretation of your God requires individual and unique creation of various life forms that we see today - because that didn't happen.

Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.

St. Peter wrote that a "day" in Scripture ("Biblical day") could be a thousand years (2 Pet 3). Early Christians, using the Greek LXX OT, dating Creation to 5500 BC, therefore dated the 7th Biblical Day, the Biblical Sabbath of the expected Messianic Millennium, to span 500-1500 AD or so.

Now, the OT describes God as the "Ancient of Days". In more modern terms, a vague Biblical "day" might be a million... or even a billion years?

The Bible describes God as intervening in terrestrial history, from the foundation of the world. (That is the one key word.)

If that foundation really occurred 5 billion years ago, then God in heaven has somehow been remotely manipulating events in our Solar System since it was a proto-stellar nebula. Heavenly Power has continued to "steer" and "guide" unfolding events, according to a Divine Master Plan, from then until now.

The OT & NT describe some of those Heavenly interventions in terrestrial, human history. Storms that free the Israelites from Egypt. Earthquakes that block the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into Canaan. Earthquakes that freed the Apostles from prisons. As if "God in heaven has weather & geo-modification satellites that can reach earth".

Heavenly Power has long been intervening into events on earth, which therefore have never been entirely 100% "natural", but always under the sporadic but effective interventions of the Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial. Those interventions have "cultivated" earth, and humanity, according to an archaic Divine Master Plan, predating everything we know about earth, its geology, and the biology now inhabiting it.

Not that human science is "wrong" per se. But it's incomplete, currently over-looking the subtle, sporadic, but powerful & effective Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial interventions into happenings in our Solar System, from its original nebula onwards.

According to the Bible, the earth formed, and life evolved, under the Observation & Intervention of God in heaven. Everything that has happened has been "cultivated" according to God's Divine Plan.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.

St. Peter wrote that a "day" in Scripture ("Biblical day") could be a thousand years (2 Pet 3). Early Christians, using the Greek LXX OT, dating Creation to 5500 BC, therefore dated the 7th Biblical Day, the Biblical Sabbath of the expected Messianic Millennium, to span 500-1500 AD or so.

Now, the OT describes God as the "Ancient of Days". In more modern terms, a vague Biblical "day" might be a million... or even a billion years?

The Bible describes God as intervening in terrestrial history, from the foundation of the world. (That is the one key word.)

If that foundation really occurred 5 billion years ago, then God in heaven has somehow been remotely manipulating events in our Solar System since it was a proto-stellar nebula. Heavenly Power has continued to "steer" and "guide" unfolding events, according to a Divine Master Plan, from then until now.

The OT & NT describe some of those Heavenly interventions in terrestrial, human history. Storms that free the Israelites from Egypt. Earthquakes that block the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into Canaan. Earthquakes that freed the Apostles from prisons. As if "God in heaven has weather & geo-modification satellites that can reach earth".

Heavenly Power has long been intervening into events on earth, which therefore have never been entirely 100% "natural", but always under the sporadic but effective interventions of the Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial. Those interventions have "cultivated" earth, and humanity, according to an archaic Divine Master Plan, predating everything we know about earth, its geology, and the biology now inhabiting it.

Not that human science is "wrong" per se. But it's incomplete, currently over-looking the subtle, sporadic, but powerful & effective Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial interventions into happenings in our Solar System, from its original nebula onwards.

According to the Bible, the earth formed, and life evolved, under the Observation & Intervention of God in heaven. Everything that has happened has been "cultivated" according to God's Divine Plan.

Hello and thanks for that Erik!

This could be the case in that God has an unseen hand in such occurrences here in reality, but Aman has a very "unique" interpretation which not only violently departs from what we actually do know, but injects entire swathes of unevidenced happenstance over and above these wildly inaccurate stories of his. This is obviously a strange tale to tell even his fellow Christians, let alone non-believers or even believers of other religions if Christianity is to be taken seriously.

The issue I have is not with the belief he (or for that matter, anyone) holds, but with the attempts by him and his fellow alternative and young earth creationists to subvert the sciences as taught in public education with this nonsense as if it were indisputably true. The failure in critical thinking skills required to pass this off as true can and often does lead to a wide array of problems - kids missing out on trivial cures and dying because of withheld medical treatment in lieu of prayer vigils, resurgence of deadly diseases that vaccinations had all but wiped out entirely because of anti-vaxxer movement scare-mongering, Victims of fraudulent Nigerian 419 Scams and Pyramid schemes losing their life savings, etc.

Critical thinking is an essential life skill that really shouldn't be subverted to protect unevidenced beliefs of the established powerbase. If their beliefs are true, then it will withstand that critical process.

 

[Aman777]

proof of elaborate deception more like it... As a matter of fact, there is a measurable increase in the intelligence of humans throughout the ages, no injection of non-existent intelligence laden parallel humans for which there's no evidence whatsoever required at all (and ironically would had to have contained a near identical genome anyway, replete with all the ERVs otherwise there's no interbreeding between them)

The HOW did the descendants of Apes change into Humans (descendants of Adam)? ONLY God and Adam had the superior intelligence of Humans and ONLY by INHERITING Adam's superior intelligence can one become a reasoning Human with the ability to discern the difference between good and evil.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus)said, Behold, the man (Heb-Adam) is become as one of Us, (Trinity) to know good and evil:

One of the names of God refers to Them (Trinity) as "The Judges". Only Humans (descendants of Adam) and God have the ability to Judge. It's because in the future we shall have dominion or rule over every other living creature. Genesis 1:28

 

[Aman777]

This could be the case in that God has an unseen hand in such occurrences here in reality, but Aman has a very "unique" interpretation which not only violently departs from what we actually do know, but injects entire swathes of unevidenced happenstance over and above these wildly inaccurate stories of his. This is obviously a strange tale to tell even his fellow Christians, let alone non-believers or even believers of other religions if Christianity is to be taken seriously.

My "interpretation" is NOT unique, but is the understanding of Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Only the Spiritual Christians who live in the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand Genesis. The Lord told Daniel HOW He hid His scientific Truth in Genesis One.

Dan 12:4¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

In the end God will pour out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh, including atheists agnostics and even to evolutionists and all Godhaters.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

Get ready ole unbelievers for the Spirit of Truth is coming through the increased knowledge of Science. God works in mysterious ways. Amen?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

This doesn’t need to be a scientific or religious dissertation, simply what you feel about the subject.

Hi, IM!

I believe God created the universe as stipulated in Genesis 1 by way of creatio ex nihilo and ex materia.

Since they were a series of miracles, there was no science involved; and no evidence.

That's why God gave us Genesis 1.

To explain what He did, when He did it, what order He did it in, and how long it took Him to do it.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The HOW did the descendants of Apes change into Humans (descendants of Adam)? ONLY God and Adam had the superior intelligence of Humans and ONLY by INHERITING Adam's superior intelligence can one become a reasoning Human with the ability to discern the difference between good and evil.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus)said, Behold, the man (Heb-Adam) is become as one of Us, (Trinity) to know good and evil:

One of the names of God refers to Them (Trinity) as "The Judges". Only Humans (descendants of Adam) and God have the ability to Judge. It's because in the future we shall have dominion or rule over every other living creature. Genesis 1:28

There's no reason to think that's the case, even if your special reinterpretation of your bible verses were somehow correct. All of the actual evidence we have, says you're wrong.

 

[Brightmoon]

How did Apes become human? Well for one thing humans never stopped being apes. The flippant answer to your question is - slowly . It took about 7 million years.

A brief description of the about 25 protohuman species that branched from the chimp/bonobo lineage would really take a book.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

My "interpretation" is NOT unique, but is the understanding of Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Only the Spiritual Christians who live in the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand Genesis. The Lord told Daniel HOW He hid His scientific Truth in Genesis One.

Dan 12:4¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

In the end God will pour out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh, including atheists agnostics and even to evolutionists and all Godhaters.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

Get ready ole unbelievers for the Spirit of Truth is coming through the increased knowledge of Science. God works in mysterious ways. Amen?

You do have quite a lot of spectacular reinterpretative ideas about the Bible which quite a lot of other Christians don't agree with, but even a broken clock can be right twice a day, so that you have some passages that others do agree with, isn't going to be a total surprise. What many Christians would disagree with, is that these so called "last days" are here already. We are literally living better now per capita than at any other time in recorded history - longer life, better quality of life, etc. Again, the evidence isn't on your side.

 

[Brightmoon]

let me see what I can remember . Humans have a spinal column that inserts into the bottom of the skull. In the other apes the spine inserts slightly in the back of the skull. 4 legged vertebrates like dogs have the spine inserting at the back. That’s one difference and the other apes have an intermediate position for the insertion point. All apes are tailless which is an ancient trait that humans retained. And the ability to fully straighten out the elbow is also an ape characteristic that humans have retained ( monkeys can’t do this and they actually have a flange on the joint that prevents this) . The smaller human jaw muscles are attached to the side of the skull instead of at the top . You can see this if you look in a mirror and chew. The human skull roof is thinner than in the other apes . Same amount of bone but covering a larger area.

 

[Brightmoon]

Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.

St. Peter wrote that a "day" in Scripture ("Biblical day") could be a thousand years (2 Pet 3). Early Christians, using the Greek LXX OT, dating Creation to 5500 BC, therefore dated the 7th Biblical Day, the Biblical Sabbath of the expected Messianic Millennium, to span 500-1500 AD or so.

Now, the OT describes God as the "Ancient of Days". In more modern terms, a vague Biblical "day" might be a million... or even a billion years?

The Bible describes God as intervening in terrestrial history, from the foundation of the world. (That is the one key word.)

If that foundation really occurred 5 billion years ago, then God in heaven has somehow been remotely manipulating events in our Solar System since it was a proto-stellar nebula. Heavenly Power has continued to "steer" and "guide" unfolding events, according to a Divine Master Plan, from then until now.

The OT & NT describe some of those Heavenly interventions in terrestrial, human history. Storms that free the Israelites from Egypt. Earthquakes that block the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into Canaan. Earthquakes that freed the Apostles from prisons. As if "God in heaven has weather & geo-modification satellites that can reach earth".

Heavenly Power has long been intervening into events on earth, which therefore have never been entirely 100% "natural", but always under the sporadic but effective interventions of the Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial. Those interventions have "cultivated" earth, and humanity, according to an archaic Divine Master Plan, predating everything we know about earth, its geology, and the biology now inhabiting it.

Not that human science is "wrong" per se. But it's incomplete, currently over-looking the subtle, sporadic, but powerful & effective Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial interventions into happenings in our Solar System, from its original nebula onwards.

According to the Bible, the earth formed, and life evolved, under the Observation & Intervention of God in heaven. Everything that has happened has been "cultivated" according to God's Divine Plan.

. I sorta believe the same but Science has no way to determine this and I do trust physicists to tell me how old the earth is. I’m not an “Intelligent Design” believer as ID is more of an attempt to circumvent the laws against preaching in the school system than actual legitimate science. Since I don’t believe that the Bible is inerrant, I tend to trust science and historians over Bible based histories or natural phenomena.

 

[Aman777]

There's no reason to think that's the case, even if your special reinterpretation of your bible verses were somehow correct. All of the actual evidence we have, says you're wrong.

Then produce the method of inserting God's superior intelligence into the descendants of Apes. Tell the details of the totally unique process of changing animal thinking into Human thinking. Tell us WHY History agrees with God's story instead of the long drawn out process of evolution since it shows that the FIRST Human traits appeared on this planet exactly where (Mesopotamia) and when (11k years ago) God told us the Ark arrived. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Present your actual evidence of this one time event of installing God's superior intelligence and explain WHY it can NEVER be repeated. Waiting......

 

[Aman777]

How did Apes become human? Well for one thing humans never stopped being apes. The flippant answer to your question is - slowly . It took about 7 million years.

A brief description of the about 25 protohuman species that branched from the chimp/bonobo lineage would really take a book.

Why didn't ALL Apes change into Humans? Why didn't they show the traits of modern Humans until 11k years ago? in the same area where the Ark arrived? Why doesn't Science notice the SUDDEN change from foraging creatures to Human agriculture? Is it because such is the Achilles Heel of Godless Evolution? Of course it is?