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YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT CATHOLICISM

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You were chosen by God in a general sense for baptism and to live out the graces you received in baptism. But Christians are made, not born, not as if you are something because you were born that way. There is predestination and calling, but yours is the option to cooperate with the graces you have been given. Freedom is in fact the ability to do the best with what you have been given, and not license to do any old thing.

If you have never been confirmed as a Catholic, you will have that to look forward to. It's often a very meaningful thing for an adult to receive this sacrament, to do so with enlightened eyes and a bit of maturity. Your baptism is already good. Live it to the fullest.

Open eyes are important. Whatever issues you had with the OPC, there are issues in the Catholic Church. We have a bit of history. And some bad people over all of those years. Bad ones even now. We can't hide from that. But there are saints, those for whom the crazy love of God has bloomed. The existence of these saints is a powerful witness. And there is a coherence of tradition and revealed faith that is substantial. Back in my salad days I was a wavering Catholic. The coherence of it all finally grabbed me. See the good. See the bad. Whitewash nothing. Decide. Jump in with both feet to be a faithful plain old fashioned Catholic. Learn some Latin if you don't already know it. Pray like a bandit. Really. Like a bandit. That's the key anyhow.
 
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For a while I was a wavering Catholic. I was reading a lot of Scripture. At one point I figured out if the Catholics got this one point wrong, I was leaving. I studied the Scriptures like mad on this one point, and they were actually clear. So I made up my mind. Only to discover that I had the two sides backwards. I had studied myself back into the Catholic Church. Things fell into place after that.
 
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so many questions. ... here is one.

The Catholic church in LATERAN IV calls for the extermination of heretics.
In the case of Saint Bartholomew's day massacre we find the Pope celebrating with a Te Deim

St. Batholomew's Day Massacre

In recent years Pope Francis apologized to the Waldenses - but the extermination decree of Lateran IV is in theory infallible since that was an ecumenical council.

Question: Doesn't that apology invalidate the Catholic doctrine on infallibility?

Question: Of all the examples in the NT where Apostles are confronting heresy and error (as in the book of Jude and 2 John..., Titus 1, 3 John, 1 Corin etc) which of those examples use the "physically exterminate heretics from your nation" solution rather than simply having a better Bible argument ?

Question: would the Catholic church consider all those kinds of "St Bartholomew's day Massacre" events of history to be "crimes against humanity" if committed today?
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Here is another one..

There were a number of times when multiple people were Pope at the same time.. at the time of Martin Luther - at one point there were 3 papal lines all setup by basically the same group of Cardinals and each Pope had a successor, and apparently they all had papal armies, appointed essentially by the same group of cardinals.

Question: What is the "objective" rule that should have been used by the Catholic church at the time so they would know not to follow those papal lines... one vs the other? How were they to know?

How does having Emperor Sigismond decide the issue affect the "successor of Peter" argument?


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Revoking the "Doctrine of Discovery"

The Doctrine of Discovery, 1493 | Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...7453ee-3831-11e4-a023-1d61f7f31a05_story.html

Nuns to pope: Revoke 15th-century doctrine that allows Christians to seize native land

By Renee K. Gadoua | Religion News Service

September 9, 2014

In November, Sister Maureen Fiedler hand-delivered a letter to Pope Francis’ ambassador in Washington, D.C., urging the pontiff to renounce a series of 15th-century church documents ...
a recent resolution by the Leadership Conference of Women Religious will spur the pope to repudiate the centuries-old concept known as the “Doctrine of Discovery.

When I learned about it, I was horrified,” said Fiedler. As a member of the Loretto Community, a congregation of religious women and lay people,

The Doctrine of Discovery is a series of papal bulls, or decrees, that gave Christian explorers the right to lay claim to any land that was not inhabited by Christians and was available to be “discovered.” If its inhabitants could be converted, they might be spared. If not, they could be enslaved or killed."

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What would it take for the Catholic Church to declare that as a sin?

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In Mark 7 we find this teaching of Christ


Mark 7
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Question: What is the crux of the statement Christ is making there and what problem is Christ solving with his teaching? What method is He using?

For example as God He could have used the argument "you are wrong because I say so and anything I say is right.. so there... you are wrong". That would not be very compelling but He could have chosen it. So thankfully He is not using that method. What do you see as the logic/reason in his argument? what is He using according to the Catholic teaching on that principle?
 
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I have had a few Catholic friends but I have not met someone who is a Catholic lay person who would characterize themselves as "reading a lot of scriptures... and studying the scripture like mad". A number of protestants have come across to me as very devote Bible students like that - but not the Catholics I have met.

So then nice to hear about that.
 
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Your circle of Catholic friends is a bit too small. There are lots of us who read our Bibles. It's encouraged. You might be surprised by that.
 
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Your circle of Catholic friends is a bit too small. There are lots of us who read our Bibles. It's encouraged. You might be surprised by that.

The book "The Faith Explained" by Leo Trese p561
"it is surprising that more Catholics do not read the Bible regularly for their own personal enrichment and spiritual growth. It is NOT surprising that our Protestant neighbors outstrip us in the propagation of the Bible and in the use of it. For the Protestant the Bible is everything..."
 
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I have things to say about that, but this isn't the thread to say them in.
 
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The two SDA I knew passed out tracts but didn't show any joy in God's word. None. It was a duty for them. Some quota to fulfill. Much like the Jehovah's Witnesses I met. I could hardly believe they were willing to remain in the confines of the SDA. One of them was a real anti-Catholic, but there was nothing at all compelling in his witness to faith. No evidence he read his Bible or anything else for that matter outside of required SDA readings. I find that SDAs on line are mostly about being anti-Catholic. That seems to be the sum total of their religion. Not much positive about them. I'm sure you have much to say. Is one tiny bit not anti-Catholic in slant?
 
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The two SDA I knew passed out tracts but didn't show any joy in God's word. None.... No evidence he read his Bible or anything else for that matter..

I have no doubt that anyone can say "I met one time a member of this or that denomination that did not appear to know much at all about what the Bible says".

But when the documents from their own denomination mention the tendency among their own members not to study the Bible - then when someone outside that denomination simply comments that they find a certain degree of confirmation of their own internal statement about their own members regarding that statement - it is not entirely "unexpected". I have only mentioned the few examples I have met - but since this is inline with that the "Faith Explained" also comments on -- it is not entirely "surprising".

However as I stated I am happy to find one that says he is "reading a lot of scriptures... and studying the scripture like mad" -- I applaud you for it ... I am not complaining at all.
 
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I am not complaining at all.
It looked like a complaint in the form of a complement. It was a complaint in the form of a complement. If I wanted to actually be anti-SDA I bet I could read all the SDA literature and find something that says SDA folks don't read enough of their Bible. I could then quote it to you. But I'm not interested in messing with you. I hope you are different than the couple of SDA folks I have met in 3D.
 
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It looked like a complaint in the form of a complement. It was a complaint in the form of a complement. If I wanted to actually be anti-SDA I bet I could...

There are many ways to avoid the point. Are there many ways to demonstrate that one is "reading a lot of scriptures... and studying the scripture like mad"?? (aside from accusing anyone who asks a question of "anti-catholic" bashing of course) -- because it is your own document that claims otherwise as the "trend". Vilifying me is not solving that.

The title of this thread is "your questions about catholicism" not "just the questions we approve of".
 
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There are many ways to avoid the point. Are there many ways to demonstrate that one is "reading a lot of scriptures... and studying the scripture like mad"?? (aside from accusing anyone who asks a question of "anti-catholic" bashing of course)
You wanna come over and watch me or something? Methinks you need some sort of a demonstration that a Catholic could actually read a Bible.
 
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You wanna come over and watch me or something? Methinks you need some sort of a demonstration that a Catholic could actually read a Bible.

It is certainly true that claiming something and demonstrating something are two different things. Suppose I wanted the goal of saying in the future "Here is what I find in the book the Faith Explained about Catholics and Bible study in general... however I met this guy one time who said he studied the scriptures like mad so there was an exception" -- I would likely get the response "what made you believe that the person who said that ... actually did it?"...

My answer would have to extend beyond "well they immediately accused me of anti-catholic bashing and claimed they could find some member of my church that did not know much about the Bible". Because the response I would likely get is "still sounds like same-old, same-old to me"

Meanwhile my actual questions on this thread are these --
Yesterday at 6:46 PM #43
 
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So, you don't believe that I can or I do read my Bible. That's what your posting in this thread was all about. It doesn't fit with your SDA beliefs. OK. I can live with that. There's a guy on the internet that doesn't believe me. Oh my. Good day.
 
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So, you don't believe that I can or I do read my Bible.

Look at "the details" in my post - I am saying I would have no way to make that claim one way or the other about you ... until you show something like evidence. I did not say I would "claim you were not accurate" just that as of now I had no evidence from you about it.

It doesn't fit with your SDA beliefs. OK. I can live with that. .

I don't have an "SDA belief" about whether you are an exception to the statement made in "The faith explained" one way or the other.

In fact I don't know that I have stated any distinctly SDA belief at all on this thread yet.
 
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I know a lot who observe at least one of the daily offices; which include Psalms and other Scripture readings. More common than you would have people believe. BTW, the set lectionairy takes Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and some others who use it systematically through Scripture on Sundays during Mass in a 1 or a 3 year cycle depending on which one they use.
 
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I sometimes wonder which surprises me more - those from evangelical churches which have a proud tradition among its members of great theological and biblical literacy, yet who are quite biblically illiterate - or those from denominations (liberal, traditional, and others) which have the reputation for biblical illiteracy, yet are extremely literate when it comes to the Bible. It seems to me that I would much rather be pleasantly surprised by the latter than shocked and disappointed by the former.
 
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In the Immaculate Conception doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church it states that .......
"Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."

Immaculate, meaning "without stain," implies that Mary herself was preserved from original sin at conception, that she was born without a sin nature, and that she lived a sinless life.

Now, when there is a prolific amount of Scriptures which say that "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God"......How does the RCC doctrine stand as "TRUTH" when it completely contradicts the Word of God?????
 
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I do not mean to argue with you and I shall not do so. I just wonder if it concerns you at all that the Catholic church teaches so many things that ARE NOT found in the Bible?

Does that fact not bother you at all?
 
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I hear what you are saying. Now with all due respect to you, and I have no reason to be argumentative about what you believe as you stated that Bible Scripture cleared up your "wavering".

Now, having said that, may I just ask you where specifically in the Scriptures you studied did you find "The Assumption of Mary"

The Assumption of Mary is a Roman Catholic doctrine, and to a lesser degree, proclaimed on
November 1, 1950, in his Munificentissimus Deus. This teaching states that the "Immaculate Virgin," the mother of Jesus, "after the completion of her earthly life was assumed body and soul into the glory of Heaven."

This means that after her death, Mary was assumed into heaven, body, and soul, like Enoch and Elijah. The doctrine further states that Mary was glorified in heaven and is "exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things."

Since the originator of the thread said this was about Bible TRUTH, why do you accept this Cathodic teaching which is not found anywhere in the Bible?????
 
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