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Perhaps instead of all of them everywhere it could be one of them somewhere...I wish I could adopt all the homeless children in this world.
Perhaps instead of all of them everywhere it could be one of them somewhere...
Just out of interest, how do you go about converting a Protestant? I'm not saying it's everyone but I've seen some with a bad attitude. This is just my opinion but when I see a lot of Catholic discussion, it seems to emanate "we're the true church and if you can't see that it's your fault". Even to the point of someone using nearly those exact words.Evangelizing and converting Protestants.
In general, I have a very difficult time respecting most international missions and missionaries.
There are good forms of evangelism and bad ones.Just out of interest, how do you go about converting a Protestant? I'm not saying it's everyone but I've seen some with a bad attitude. This is just my opinion but when I see a lot of Catholic discussion, it seems to emanate "we're the true church and if you can't see that it's your fault". Even to the point of someone using nearly those exact words.
Catholics believe that everyone in Heaven is Catholic. They may or may not have been Catholic in life. But most assuredly, they will be Catholic in Heaven.I also have a question which will seem snarky but it's not meant to be. Can Protestants go to heaven according to Catholics?
Thanks. I think that comes down to that they don't believe the majority of people called Christians in Russia are Christian. They want to save them. This is partly why I asked about if Protestants can go to heaven according to Catholic belief. As you know many Protestants do not believe Catholics can go to heaven. But, Catholics (I think?) believe non-Catholics can go to heaven. What I'm getting at is, wouldn't it be safer to be a Protestant?If Americans are so gung-ho about sharing the faith, good. Then they should share it with their local communities rather than go to places like Russia, which are relatively safe and already heavily Christian.
It might seem that way. But I don't think so. For one thing, as a Catholic, I'm eligible to receive the sacrament of Last Rites. So if I'm dying and a priest can get to me in time, I've got that extra benefit working in my favor.Thanks. I think that comes down to that they don't believe the majority of people called Christians in Russia are Christian. They want to save them. This is partly why I asked about if Protestants can go to heaven according to Catholic belief. As you know many Protestants do not believe Catholics can go to heaven. But, Catholics (I think?) believe non-Catholics can go to heaven. What I'm getting at is, wouldn't it be safer to be a Protestant?
Invincible ignorance of Catholic teaching is real. However, it is not guaranteed to allow a non-Catholic to go to Heaven. Honestly, we don't know. And we may never know. What the Church is teaching there is that there may be room for God's grace to work. It might be possible for a non-Catholic to go to Heaven.Catechism Of The Catholic Church said:IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT
1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.
1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.
1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one's passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church's authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.
1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.
1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith."60
It does. In such cases, I find it's best to provide an exact quote. If "Presbyterians believe this" then finding some type of authoritative source should be possible.The reason for all this is: I always hear "Presbyterians believe this!" OR, "Catholics believe that!" And when I actually look to confirm myself they don't even believe exactly how the person is stating they do. If that makes sense?
Doesn't seem like anybody else is participating so I'm not worried about it. But if the direction of the conversation bothers the OP, we can do something about that.For example, I just watched a video by a channel called Ascension Presents to try and check something and he said we are not good enough to go to heaven. We go by the grace of God etc. I've heard all the time Catholics believe we have to be "good enough" to go to heaven. I am not saying Catholics are right but I am starting to see the need for me to study things myself. At least moreso than I was. I also just realised I'm on a complete tangent from the thread... sorry
So can invincible ignorance mean that say someone (and this is all hypothetical) says "there's something to this Catholicism" and then rejects it. They are in danger? According to Catholic beliefs?It might seem that way. But I don't think so. For one thing, as a Catholic, I'm eligible to receive the sacrament of Last Rites. So if I'm dying and a priest can get to me in time, I've got that extra benefit working in my favor.
Now, my Church teaches that there is such a thing as "invincible ignorance". It's possible that someone may not comprehend what the Church teaches for a variety of reasons. In such a case, there is the possibility that the person may go to Heaven anyway:
Invincible ignorance of Catholic teaching is real. However, it is not guaranteed to allow a non-Catholic to go to Heaven. Honestly, we don't know. And we may never know. What the Church is teaching there is that there may be room for God's grace to work. It might be possible for a non-Catholic to go to Heaven.
But I think best practice is to be a member of the Catholic Church. There, the faithful can receive the sacraments and the fullness of Catholic teaching.
It does. In such cases, I find it's best to provide an exact quote. If "Presbyterians believe this" then finding some type of authoritative source should be possible.
Now, having said that, Protestantism is rife with disagreement. Even members of the same communities might not believe the same things. To wit: to know one Southern Baptist is not necessarily to know all Southern Baptists. That's a big reason why claiming that all Presbyterians or Southern Baptists or Pentecostals or whatever believer X, Y or Z can be dicey. So that's a challenge that Catholic evangelists often run up against.
Doesn't seem like anybody else is participating so I'm not worried about it. But if the direction of the conversation bothers the OP, we can do something about that.
As to the other, Catholics view the issue of salvation as a cooperative endeavor between man and God. God offers forgiveness and man accepts it (or rejects it). We play a role in our salvation from the standpoint that we choose to believe or not to believe, we attend Mass or we don't, we receive the Blessed Sacrament regularly or we don't, we pray regularly or we don't, etc.
To sola fide-believing evangelicals, I can see where Catholic belief can resemble "works-based" sumthin sumthin. My usual answer to that is "Believe is a verb. An action. A work." So realistically, Catholics and Protestants don't disagree that action on man's part is necessary for the salvific work to be complete. Rather, what we disagree over is simply a matter of degree.
It might seem that way. But I don't think so. For one thing, as a Catholic, I'm eligible to receive the sacrament of Last Rites. So if I'm dying and a priest can get to me in time, I've got that extra benefit working in my favor.
Now, my Church teaches that there is such a thing as "invincible ignorance". It's possible that someone may not comprehend what the Church teaches for a variety of reasons. In such a case, there is the possibility that the person may go to Heaven anyway:
Invincible ignorance of Catholic teaching is real. However, it is not guaranteed to allow a non-Catholic to go to Heaven. Honestly, we don't know. And we may never know. What the Church is teaching there is that there may be room for God's grace to work. It might be possible for a non-Catholic to go to Heaven.
But I think best practice is to be a member of the Catholic Church. There, the faithful can receive the sacraments and the fullness of Catholic teaching.
It does. In such cases, I find it's best to provide an exact quote. If "Presbyterians believe this" then finding some type of authoritative source should be possible.
Now, having said that, Protestantism is rife with disagreement. Even members of the same communities might not believe the same things. To wit: to know one Southern Baptist is not necessarily to know all Southern Baptists. That's a big reason why claiming that all Presbyterians or Southern Baptists or Pentecostals or whatever believer X, Y or Z can be dicey. So that's a challenge that Catholic evangelists often run up against.
Doesn't seem like anybody else is participating so I'm not worried about it. But if the direction of the conversation bothers the OP, we can do something about that.
As to the other, Catholics view the issue of salvation as a cooperative endeavor between man and God. God offers forgiveness and man accepts it (or rejects it). We play a role in our salvation from the standpoint that we choose to believe or not to believe, we attend Mass or we don't, we receive the Blessed Sacrament regularly or we don't, we pray regularly or we don't, etc.
To sola fide-believing evangelicals, I can see where Catholic belief can resemble "works-based" sumthin sumthin. My usual answer to that is "Believe is a verb. An action. A work." So realistically, Catholics and Protestants don't disagree that action on man's part is necessary for the salvific work to be complete. Rather, what we disagree over is simply a matter of degree.
Would you care to elaborate on that practice? Give specific examples and so forth?Do Catholic priests still receive money from people as a good deed to help them get into heaven?
To sola fide-believing evangelicals, I can see where Catholic belief can resemble "works-based" sumthin sumthin. My usual answer to that is "Believe is a verb. An action. A work." So realistically, Catholics and Protestants don't disagree that action on man's part is necessary for the salvific work to be complete. Rather, what we disagree over is simply a matter of degree.