Your Interpretation of Scripture is NOT The Inerrant Word of God

[Catherineanne]

If the word is from God, it is part of God. He cannot lie. This is news?

In the beginning was the word and the word.... was God...all things were made by Him..

The Word of God is Christ himself. The Bible was not in the beginning with God.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Word of God is Christ himself. The Bible was not in the beginning with God.

It wasn't?

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

I don't read that as, will be settled; I read that as, is settled.

 

[Catherineanne]

It wasn't?

No.

The Holy Trinity does not comprise God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Scriptures.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

Do we have a new name written down in Heaven --- right now?

 

[AV1611VET]

What are you on, AV? Whatever it is, you seriously need to cut down.

There's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
And the white robed angels sing the story,
"A sinner has come home."
For there's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
With my sins forgiven I am bound for Heaven,
Never more to roam.

--- Music and Lyrics by C. Austin Miles

 

[Catherineanne]

There's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
And the white robed angels sing the story,
"A sinner has come home."
For there's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
With my sins forgiven I am bound for Heaven,
Never more to roam.

--- Music and Lyrics by C. Austin Miles

Can you kindly indicate the relevance of this burst of song to the OP? It is doubtless entertaining, but seems somewhat lacking in substantive content in relation to Scriptural exegesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

The Holy Trinity does not comprise God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Scriptures.

Do we have a new name written down in Heaven --- right now?

What are you on, AV? Whatever it is, you seriously need to cut down.

There's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
And the white robed angels sing the story,
"A sinner has come home."
For there's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
With my sins forgiven I am bound for Heaven,
Never more to roam.

--- Music and Lyrics by C. Austin Miles

Can you kindly indicate the relevance of this burst of song to the OP? It is doubtless entertaining, but seems somewhat lacking in substantive content in relation to Scriptural exegesis.

Oh, now you want to hide behind the OP, instead of addressing my point?

Fair enough --- I'll withdraw the question.

 

[Catherineanne]

Oh, now you want to hide behind the OP, instead of addressing my point?

Fair enough --- I'll withdraw the question.

As often happens, AV, you answered your own question, for the simple reason that you were the only one who had the foggiest what it asked.

 

[Split Rock]

Ah, so goat herders were the target audience. Not sheep herders, musicians, warriors, slaves, Hebrews, or etc etc? Ok.

The Torah was written so that Hebrew goat-herders could understand it. Soldiers too... were you under the impression that soldiers were smarter or more worldly??

In the order given, however, the years can be added up. Not rocket science. Adam begat someone. Seth, for example. Can you show us before the flood where the dad that begat was actually the great grand dad? No? Aw...too bad.

Can you prove all the begets were direct?? Can you??? Can you??? No? Too Bad. (dad logic)

What CAN you do?

Why don't you answer the question I asked AVET. Your whole non PO past state model is based on your own interpretation of scripture. Is your interpretation of scripture inerrant?

 

[BananaSlug]

I guess our understanding of the circulatory and nervous systems are completely wrong because they are never mentioned in the Bible. Open heart surgery isn't in there either. I've never read anything about automobiles or North America. Atoms aren't mentioned nor are electrons. The Bible was meant to be a spiritual guidebook not a textbook.

"The Bible was meant to tell us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."

 

[dad]

The Torah was written so that Hebrew goat-herders could understand it. Soldiers too... were you under the impression that soldiers were smarter or more worldly??

I am actually under the impression that the dumb folks can understand it better than most smart ones!

Can you prove all the begets were direct?? Can you??? Can you??? No? Too Bad. (dad logic)

Most are not in question, such as Adam begetting Seth. One way to quickly defeat your position, is to focus on the pre flood. Are there any begats there at all that you think are questionable as to the dad son relation?

Why don't you answer the question I asked AVET. Your whole non PO past state model is based on your own interpretation of scripture. Is your interpretation of scripture inerrant?

False. My awareness of the limits of science come also from science, not just the bible.

Not all scripture needs any interpretation. Producing some when it isn't needed is what muddies the waters.

I do not need to interpret the waters coming down and killing life on earth. Or the garden. Of the things that do require some interpreting, no one is infallible. But there are educated, well reasoned, and supported cases, and there are cases that are way out in left field, based on some verse alone, or other silly would be clue.

I am one to accept the known quantities both in science and the bible.

 

[dad]

If the Bible were inerrant and sufficient, no interpretation would be needed. Anyone adopting a Sola Scriptura position who then attempts to interpret 'properly' for the rest of us, only succeeds in demonstrating the inconsistency of their own position.

Not at all. Interpretation is not all that important, and actually impossible to the natural minded woman. The important things are a sincere hunger to want to know, and ask God, and His Spirit. As well as believing. Once we chaw on the easy stuff, and digest it, He will show us more. Those that try chawing all alone, will find they are unable to eat. Interpretation requires God.

His book to man is hidden from the wise, and revealed to babes. I find many interpreters are really seeking to bend His word to their agenda, and hammer it into fitting.

 

[Catherineanne]

I find many interpreters are really seeking to bend His word to their agenda, and hammer it into fitting.

You have said it.

 

[theFijian]

Meanwhile, Sola Scriptura constitutes an extra Biblical demand forced on people by Luther. Who incidentally set himself up as an authority above Scripture by editing whole books out of the existing Bible and changing the wording of others.

If you want to call this a strawman, then go ahead.

Meanwhile, more straw men!

1 - Luther was the sole person responsible the reformation
2 - Luther alone devised sola scriptura
3 - Luther alone decided upon the canon
4 - Sola scriptura is 'forced' upon anybody let alone the 'church'

Any more while you're at it?

 

[Catherineanne]

Meanwhile, more straw men!

1 - Luther was the sole person responsible the reformation
2 - Luther alone devised sola scriptura
3 - Luther alone decided upon the canon
4 - Sola scriptura is 'forced' upon anybody let alone the 'church'

Any more while you're at it?

I think you will find that those straw men are not as strawy as you would like them to be.

However, by all means deflect, if you have no better response.

 

[Split Rock]

I am actually under the impression that the dumb folks can understand it better than most smart ones!

Ouch! Quite an indictment of your own holy book!

Most are not in question, such as Adam begetting Seth. One way to quickly defeat your position, is to focus on the pre flood. Are there any begats there at all that you think are questionable as to the dad son relation?

Sure. All of them. The further you go back in Genesis, the more mythical the characters become... as they become less and less familar to the writers and their time.

False. My awareness of the limits of science come also from science, not just the bible.

Nonsense. Your Non-PO fantasy world has no basis in science whatsoever.

Not all scripture needs any interpretation. Producing some when it isn't needed is what muddies the waters.

More nonsense. Most requires some interpretation as it is mostly a narrative account.

I do not need to interpret the waters coming down and killing life on earth. Or the garden. Of the things that do require some interpreting, no one is infallible. But there are educated, well reasoned, and supported cases, and there are cases that are way out in left field, based on some verse alone, or other silly would be clue.

But how do you interpret these ancient stories... figurative or historical? That is a big part of the need for interpretation. And why even among creationists there is little agreement on details.

I am one to accept the known quantities both in science and the bible.

 

[theFijian]

I think you will find that those straw men are not as strawy as you would like them to be.

However, by all means deflect, if you have no better response.

Wow if I post smileys will that make automatically make everything I say correct too? Your critique of sola scriptura is a straw man as are your misrepresentations of Luther. Just throw out an accusation without supporting it and people are bound to believe you eh!

 

[BananaSlug]

Please answer the following:

Is a literal interpretation of Genesis necessary for salvation?

 

[Soul Searcher]

Please answer the following:

Is a literal interpretation of Genesis necessary for salvation?

Of course not. One does not even need to know there is such a book.

 

[ProfessorMari]

You have constructed an invalid syllogism.
God's word may be inerrant, but various interpretations can still be in error.
No your "logic" does not make sense.

The Catholic Church, Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed Jews, and scholars from a variety of Christian denominations all agree that interpreting Genesis 1-11 as a "parable" - like Christ himself used to teach the people, then there is no contradiction with science.

God's message is important and inerrant.
God's message can be conveyed through figurative language.
Therefore, God's message about the creation of the world and life on Earth, can be conveyed through figurative language.


Occam's Razor (the explanation that covers all the evidence is true):
ALL the evidence can not be explained through a literal interpretation of Genesis. Therefore it can not be true.

All evidence CAN be explained within a metaphorical framework of Genesis, therefore, a metaphorical interpretation is true.