LDS Young Mormon Children Are Taught This

[He is the way]

You misunderstand the Bible. Jesus did not earn Godhood.

We've already gone over the word "perfected." Here's the link:

John 10:33

You shared someone's opinion about perfection. I believe that Christ needed to be perfected with the glory He had with the Father before the world was as He stated:

(New Testament | John 17:5)

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[He is the way]

Teaching commandments does not equal to serving the same God. Your god is a man that became a god. Your god had a grandfather---a great-grandfather.....a great-great-great-great…….grandfather!!!
The Christian Heavenly Father has no Father, was never human, and never became God---He always was God. There is no other God but Him, in this universe or any other universe!! He alone is God and He is one with the Son and Holy Spirit. You son is not the same Son as the Christian God's Son. Ours was fully God before He became God, the Christian Son created everything, from nothing---including Lucifer. Your son is totally different, and is one of many. And it is the Christian God the Son that saves---no other. You are welcome to keep all the commandments---it will get you nowhere for you break a commandment with your believes and if you break one--you break them all.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

We have been over this many times. People have distorted the and very opinionated view of what the Bible states. The Bible states that God formed the worlds:

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 26:10)

10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

 

[He is the way]

Is one of the commandments of God to teach a false gospel? That is what your prophets are doing.

Our prophets teach the truth.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Our prophets teach the truth.

Like Quakers on the moon?

 

[Ironhold]

Like Quakers on the moon?

It's in dispute if Joseph Smith ever said that, and if he did the timeline of events lines up to a situation in which several newspapers all across America were making similar claims.

All it proves is that he read and trusted the news.

 

[He is the way]

Like Quakers on the moon?

That was not a revelation given to a prophet. However there may be angels on the moon, there are angels all around us, but we can't see them:

(Old Testament | 2 Kings 6:17)

17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

There are also angels in heaven.

 

[drstevej]

That was not a revelation given to a prophet. However there may be angels on the moon, there are angels all around us, but we can't see them:

How we gonna shake their (D&C 129) hands if they are invisible?

 

[BigDaddy4]

It's in dispute if Joseph Smith ever said that, and if he did the timeline of events lines up to a situation in which several newspapers all across America were making similar claims.

All it proves is that he read and trusted the news.

It's only in dispute because it was foolishness and you can't be having your prophets be saying foolish things! It was recorded as being taught to the people at the time. It seems like the lds church tries to rewrite their own history if they don't like it or it makes them look bad.

 

[BigDaddy4]

That was not a revelation given to a prophet. However there may be angels on the moon, there are angels all around us, but we can't see them:

(Old Testament | 2 Kings 6:17)

17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

There are also angels in heaven.

But it's attributed to your prophet as saying it. No prophet of the Lord would say such a silly thing and still be considered a prophet of God. Quakers are not angels and angels are not Quakers, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

 

[He is the way]

But it's attributed to your prophet as saying it. No prophet of the Lord would say such a silly thing and still be considered a prophet of God. Quakers are not angels and angels are not Quakers, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Attributed to Joseph Smith by a third party is not my idea of a reliable source of information.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Attributed to Joseph Smith by a third party is not my idea of a reliable source of information.

The "third party" was lds and it was published in an official lds publication. Does your church publish false information?

 

[Peter1000]

Which three?

25 including the works of the church fathers, especially Justin Martyr. I have read his 'Dialogue with Trypho" many times. Justin lived around 150ad. Just at the time the church was moving into an interesting history. The apostles had been dead and gone for about 30 years by this time, and the church was changing.

So without a biblical foundation, the whole church was collapsing. So Justin tells us that:
1) God and His Son Jesus are 2 separate and distinct beings.
2) That God did not create things from nothing.
3) That the OT has been changed to try to eliminate prophecies of Jesus Christ.

Among other things. But very interesting.

I also studied some of the words of Origen who taught:
1) the Bible was changed by well meaning men by mistake, and evil men on purpose, and proved it with the Hexapla.
2) baptism is essential to being saved.
3) must be baptised of water to be able to receive the Holy Spirit.

Tertullian says:
1) Without baptism salvation is attainable to none.


Cyprian says:
1) Unless we receive baptism, you cannot be saved.
2) hands are layed on the head for the reception of the Holy Spirit.

The church fathers are all over the place when it came to discussing doctrine, but the early church fathers knew about the importance of being baptized of water and of the Holy Spirit and how it should be done. And other important topics that Jesus restored to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from the Church of Jesus Christ of First-century Saints.

 

[Peter1000]

Is one of the commandments of God to teach a false gospel? That is what your prophets are doing.

How is teaching: keeping the commandments of God, and correct principals of the gospel such as LOVE, charity, meekness, honesty, faith, kindness, repentance, baptism, thankfulness, prayer, etc, teaching false gospels?

Isn't this what your church teaches?

 

[Peter1000]

How we gonna shake their (D&C 129) hands if they are invisible?

Now we have a true dilemma. What are we going to do?

 

[Rescued One]

The "third party" was lds and it was published in an official lds publication. Does your church publish false information?

YES, it does.

 

[Rescued One]

How is teaching: keeping the commandments of God, and correct principals of the gospel such as LOVE, charity, meekness, honesty, faith, kindness, repentance, baptism, thankfulness, prayer, etc, teaching false gospels?

Isn't this what your church teaches?

Hopefully, his church reached TRUTH instead of Mormonism.

 

[He is the way]

The "third party" was lds and it was published in an official lds publication. Does your church publish false information?

The first mention that Joseph Smith said this comes in 1881 from Oliver B. Huntington's journal, who claimed that he had the information from Philo Dibble. Huntington's journal was not published by the church. If you are talking about Brigham Young's personal opinion mentioned in the Journal of Discourses, he did state that it was an opinion and not a revelation from God.

 

[He is the way]

Hopefully, his church reached TRUTH instead of Mormonism.

Hopefully every Christian church is teaching their members to keep the commandments of God, and correct principals of the gospel such as LOVE, charity, meekness, honesty, faith, kindness, repentance, baptism, thankfulness, prayer, etc.

 

[BigDaddy4]

How is teaching: keeping the commandments of God, and correct principals of the gospel such as LOVE, charity, meekness, honesty, faith, kindness, repentance, baptism, thankfulness, prayer, etc, teaching false gospels?

Isn't this what your church teaches?

That's the whitewashed version and not the complete list. Honesty is on your list, but it doesn't seem honest to just post the short list.

 

[BigDaddy4]

The first mention that Joseph Smith said this comes in 1881 from Oliver B. Huntington's journal, who claimed that he had the information from Philo Dibble. Huntington's journal was not published by the church. If you are talking about Brigham Young's personal opinion mentioned in the Journal of Discourses, he did state that it was an opinion and not a revelation from God.

The Young Woman's Journal was an lds publication in 1892, was it not? It seemed right for your church to quote Huntington in one of its articles. In the JoD, Young himself claimed that his sermons should be considered scripture and, in this instance, he was speaking in his role as a prophet regardless if it was his personal opinion or not.

It's not about what you believe about their statements now. It's about what was being taught and believed back when they were made. Such careless, ignorant, and untrue statements, as personal opinion or official declaration, should disqualify any so-called prophet from such a position. Kool-aid anyone??