you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

Koey said:

You want proof? Read your Bible and compare it with tradition. It's really quite elementary my dear Watson! There is no worship service with all the religious mumbo jumbo that we later Christians have invented. In fact the so-called primitive church itself is DRAMATICALLY different to any modern church that you or I have ever come across. We have so over-systematized it that it bears little resemblance. I don't offer any proof that you don't already have available to you. The problem with most people is, they stumble across truth occasionally, but quickly pick themselves up and dust themselves off as if nothing happened. Then when someone points out that we have actually stumbled across truth, we say, Where? Show me the proof! Strange, we humans are strange!

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sunlover1 said:

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Originally Posted by sunlover1

Context helps.
Here's how some Greek Scholars saw it:

7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.
8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him!

I think it's the repeating again and again that's the
'vain' part.

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Rdr Iakovos said:

Again with opinion. JUST because it seems so clear to you, this does not make it fact.

One quick question:
How familiar are you with the Orthdox Church, its theology, praxis, and liturgy? Have you ever set foot in an Orthdox Temple (Church)?
Or are you just shooting from the hip here.

Secondly: Please list your resource(s) for your stated knowledge of the practices of the early Church.
Thanks in advance.

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