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Why are you here if you dont want to believe christian ideas? Sincerely? And i mean ANY part of a christian forum. Not just christian only sections.
Yes.are known to people as young as 12 maybe younger
We are no longer in a missionary era, and that is unfortunate.
what are your thoughts.
Perhaps. Every rejection of christ is a form of darkness. A rejection what is good and a replacement of what is dark. " men loved darkness rather than light....because their deeds would be exposed." - biblePerhaps God is ending his missionary outreach and we are entering the "famine of the word" period. The times are certainly ripe for this.
PS. Incidentally, there are believers who think that atheists, who do not consider they will ever be held existentially accountable for their thoughts, words and deeds, have no solid reason to be moral, only to do what ever is expediently to their advantage. That includes wilfully disbelieving, and fostering wilful disbelief, so that they may pursue their own advantage without moral hindrance.
I am certainly aware of that. I'm speaking for myself now, but I see it quite the opposite. While I don't believe in any afterlife, I do believe that the chickens often come home to roost. If you treat people like dirt, there is a high likelihood that you will be treated the same. Since this is the only life I'll ever have, I want it to be as pleasant and pain-free as possible. And that's much less likely to happen if I cause pain to others. This is a corollary of the principle of reciprocity. And it's just common sense.
It's always seemed to me that something is lacking in one's psychological makeup if the threat of supernatural moral reckoning is needed to promote decent, civilized behavior. And BTW, does it even work? I'll let Bertrand Russell answer that:
Why are you here if you dont want to believe christian ideas? Sincerely? And i mean ANY part of a christian forum. Not just christian only sections.
It is a GREAT BLESSING OF YHWH TO BE LIVING TODAY !
It is the TIME HE HAS GIVEN US.
This is a discussion/debate forum that is open to anyone. I enjoy a good debate on ethical issues. It's a challenge to the intellect. That's what you will get when you post here. Do you have a problem with that?
I am certainly aware of that. I'm speaking for myself now, but I see it quite the opposite. While I don't believe in any afterlife, I do believe that the chickens often come home to roost. If you treat people like dirt, there is a high likelihood that you will be treated the same. Since this is the only life I'll ever have, I want it to be as pleasant and pain-free as possible. And that's much less likely to happen if I cause pain to others. This is a corollary of the principle of reciprocity. And it's just common sense.
It's always seemed to me that something is lacking in one's psychological makeup if the threat of supernatural moral reckoning is needed to promote decent, civilized behavior. And BTW, does it even work? I'll let Bertrand Russell answer that:
Perhaps. Every rejection of christ is a form of darkness. A rejection what is good and a replacement of what is dark. " men loved darkness rather than light....because their deeds would be exposed." - bible
This is a discussion/debate forum that is open to anyone. I enjoy a good debate on ethical issues. It's a challenge to the intellect. That's what you will get when you post here. Do you have a problem with that?
sir, please....if I may ask.
if you don't like christian ideas, and if you are not here to recruit.
why ARE you here?
(think about it, and get back to me....message me if you wish)
Like I said, I'm here because I enjoy intellectual discourse. It's good brain exercise to express one's opinions, to have them challenged, and to defend them with logic and reason. That's what a debate forum is all about. I do the same on non-religious sites, like Secular Cafe, and Rational Skepticism, too. You began this thread in a forum open to non-believers. If you don't want your opinions challenged, then as I stated, you should post in a Christians-only venue.
And for the record, I don't dislike Christian ideas, per se. I dislike supernatural ideas of any kind, whether they be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, New Age, or whatever.
My thoughts God makes a way for everybody to know Him and who He is and then have opportunity to choose whether 4 or against used to I thought pygmies in huts in jungles in africa no until I heard sermon by Charles Stanley on this subject and he convinced me otherwise and now agree but do believe deceived like even those who claim to be Christians but base faith on works not grace plus include idolatry necromancy and all other sorts of occultic practices being deceived in other words sounds harsh but yes will be judged is apostate false manmade religion and will get same as any other lost person say an atheist or buddhist some things are not for me to get or understand because I'm not God for one like why good person goes to hell with evil ppl but being good is not enough Jesus is only way to Father that's it one of 2 choices we have and glad I made right one!
Like I said, I'm here because I enjoy intellectual discourse. It's good brain exercise to express one's opinions, to have them challenged, and to defend them with logic and reason. That's what a debate forum is all about. I do the same on non-religious sites, like Secular Cafe, and Rational Skepticism, too. You began this thread in a forum open to non-believers. If you don't want your opinions challenged, then as I stated, you should post in a Christians-only venue.
And for the record, I don't dislike Christian ideas, per se. I dislike supernatural ideas of any kind, whether they be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, New Age, or whatever.
very good, thanks.
then if you are open to debate, the very next step is being open to change.
because when we are proven wrong many times, we build walls up in the fortress of our mind, blocking anyone from coming close. But in debate, everything is on the table. If for example your livelihood were on debate, say for example you were an evolutionary biologist and I proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt evolution to be false. Honest debate, means you would quite your job, take up three other jobs, get more school grants, go back to school and get a different degree. And live your life with a changed mind that affected your life.
but to say no, I am wrong regarding evolution. Because you don't want to get a new job....is not right.
and this is not really honest.
... is it?
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