Salam everyone, or in this time shall I say people of The Book [Jewish, Christians, and Muslims]
Before I start anything I will point out to the fact that in this article I'm going to be overly comfortable with my Islamic ideology, in other words I will handle this topic from a Islamic perspective. Thus, atheists,or open minded community whatever you address yourself don't turn my thread into an argument and try to have me 'convince you' of what I believe. This thread shall let you know [not believe in] my religion perspective. You finding my religion 'making sense' or any of the kind is not my goal, so don't show any disrespect to our beliefs.
The Topic: Pompeii
According to the documentary movie about this city, it was destroyed 'suddenly.' Its people didn't expect that to happen. It was also a wealthy city.Not to mention that it was hidden under ash for around 1500 years, and it was discovered in the 18c. As a Muslim I feel that that was God's punishment for the city people, who were obsessed with physical relationships to unbelievable degree [May Allah protect us from being like that ameen]. I believe that Allah want them to be an example to learn from by others, to see how his mighty Will kept them in their last moment pose until this day, along with their sins not destroyed [their buildings, and the prints on them, etc]. Allah uncovered their sins for us, so we think and know that he is the all knowing and he gives examples of his might to his prayers over and over again.
Allah said:
وكم أهلكنا من قرية بطرت معيشتها فتلك مساكنهم لم تسكن من بعدهم إلا قليلا وكنا نحن الوارثين ( 58 ) وما كان ربك مهلك القرى حتى يبعث في أمها رسولا يتلو عليهم آياتنا وما كنا مهلكي القرى إلا وأهلها ظالمون ( 59 ) ) .
surat Alqasas: 58-59
The point: Allah had destroyed more than a village, which life was based on pleasures (they were over pleasing themselves and spending their money, etc), and Allah never destroyed villages without sending them a messenger that recite Allah's words on them, and Allah would have never destroyed villages, unless their people were sinful (the word wasn't sinful but dalemon, which refers to a bad state of behavior, not only include sins but the way they live their life, etc).
﴿ فَكَأَيِّن مِّن قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا وَهِيَ ظَالِمَةٌ فَهِيَ خَاوِيَةٌ عَلَى عُرُوشِهَا وَبِئْرٍ مُّعَطَّلَةٍ وَقَصْرٍ مَّشِيدٍ ﴾ (الحج: 45).
Al-Haj: 45
The point: Allah destroyed more than a dalema* village, and let their building/castles remain.
وكم من قرية أهلكناها فجاءها بأسنا بياتا أو هم قائلون ( 4 ) فما كان دعواهم إذ جاءهم بأسنا إلا أن قالوا إنا كنا ظالمين ( 5 ) فلنسألن الذين أرسل إليهم ولنسألن المرسلين ( 6 ) فلنقصن عليهم بعلم وما كنا غائبين ( 7 ) ) .
Al-a'araf: 4-7.
The point: Allah destroyed more than a village suddenly, when Allah's torment came to them, they realized that they were dalemon*
وَكَمْ قَصَمْنَا مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ كَانَتْ ظَالِمَةً وَأَنشَأْنَا بَعْدَهَا قَوْمًا آخَرِينَ(11)
Al-anbeya': 11
Point, Allah destroyed villages with dalemon people, and created afterward other nation/people.
{قُلْ هُوَ الْقَادِرُ عَلَى أَنْ يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابًا مِنْ فَوْقِكُمْ أَوْ مِنْ تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِكُمْ أَوْ يَلْبِسَكُمْ شِيَعًا وَيُذِيقَ بَعْضَكُمْ بَأْسَ بَعْضٍ انْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَفْقَهُونَ} [الأنعام:65]
Al-an'aam: 65
Point: Allah is able to send a torment upon you, from above you or beneath your feet, or to make you enemy of each other, as each let the other taste their might.
{أَفَأَمِنَ الَّذِينَ مَكَرُوا السَّيِّئَاتِ أَنْ يَخْسِفَ اللَّهُ بِهِمُ الْأَرْضَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمُ الْعَذَابُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ . أَوْ يَأْخُذَهُمْ فِي تَقَلُّبِهِمْ فَمَا هُمْ بِمُعْجِزِينَ . أَوْ يَأْخُذَهُمْ عَلَى تَخَوُّفٍ فَإِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ} [النحل:45-47]
Alnahal: 45-47
Point: Did those sinful people become assured that Allah won't let the earth eclipsed while they are on it , or that Allah won't bring the torment without them knowing it[suddenly].
{فَكُلًّا أَخَذْنَا بِذَنْبِهِ فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْهِ حَاصِبًا وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَخَذَتْهُ الصَّيْحَةُ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ خَسَفْنَا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَغْرَقْنَا وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيَظْلِمَهُمْ وَلَكِنْ كَانُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ} [العنكبوت:40].
Al-ankaboot: 40
Here Allah is stating different ways he erased people by for their sins, and then Allah says that he didn't misjudge them, but it was them who misjudged themselves [by their sins].
{فَلَمَّا نَسُوا مَا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ أَبْوَابَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ حَتَّى إِذَا فَرِحُوا بِمَا أُوتُوا أَخَذْنَاهُمْ بَغْتَةً فَإِذَا هُمْ مُبْلِسُونَ} [الأنعام:44].
Al-anam: 44.
Point: When these people forget what they were reminded with [that there is God, etc] we open the doors of everything for them, so that when they are happy with what they are given, our punishment takes them by surprise, making them sorrowfully desperate.
---and Allah knows better----
-Why didn't I use what's so called English translation of Quran? Because I believe there is no translation for it or even an absolute tafseer/interpretation of it, thus I wrote the clear point of each aya without getting deep in it, etc, but of course half of knowledge is 'Allah knows better', so Allah knows better [once a member told me not better but best, oh well I'm using it the Arabic way -Allah a'lam- refers to Allah having more knowledge, since i'm used to this Arabic way, i keep writing "better". It's obvious tho that I believe that my creator knows best and is the best.
Allah said:
[وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلا اللَّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ][آل عمران: 7].
Al-Omran: 7
Point: no one knows its [Quran's] true meaning but Allah, and those with settled knowledge say that they believe in it [those who doubt the Quran wont say so, and those who over value themselves give them selves the right to read deeply in Quran and come up with tafseer/ interpretation if Allah willed he would have stated them cleary. And about those who speak falsely in the name of Allah, Allah said:
﴿ وَإِنَّ مِنْهُمْ لَفَرِيقًا يَلْوُونَ أَلْسِنَتَهُمْ بِالْكِتَابِ لِتَحْسَبُوهُ مِنْ الْكِتَابِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ الْكِتَابِ وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ ﴾ [آل عمران].
Al-Omran
Point: there are people who come up by words and try to make it similar to The Book, and it's not from the book, and they say it's from Allah, neither it is from Allah. They are saying lies about Allah, and they know it.
فَوَيْلٌ لِلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ
Al-baqara: 79
Point: Allah is threatening those who write The Book, then say it's from Allah in order to earn with it some little thaman [price].
Alright now, let's see how Wiki describes this city:
"The city of Pompeii was an ancient Roman town-city near modern Naples in the Italian region of Campania, in the territory of the comune of Pompei. Pompeii, along with Herculaneum and many villas in the surrounding area, was mostly destroyed and buried under 4 to 6 m (13 to 20 ft) of ash and pumice in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD.
Researchers believe that the town was founded in the seventh or sixth century BC by the Osci or Oscans and was captured by the Romans in 80 BC. By the time of its destruction, 160 years later, its population was probably approximately 20,000, and the city had a complex water system, an amphitheatre, gymnasium and a port.
The eruption was cataclysmic for the town. Evidence for the destruction originally came from a surviving letter by Pliny the Younger, who saw the eruption from a distance and described the death of his uncle Pliny the Elder, an admiral of the Roman fleet, who tried to rescue citizens. The site was lost for about 1,500 years until its initial rediscovery in 1599 and broader rediscovery almost 150 years later by Spanish engineer Rocque Joaquin de Alcubierre in 1748.[1] The objects that lay beneath the city have been well preserved for centuries because of the lack of air and moisture. These artifacts provide an extraordinarily detailed insight into the life of a city during the Pax Romana. During the excavation, plaster was used to fill in the voids between the ash layers that once held human bodies. This allowed one to see the exact position the person was in when he or she died."
Now let show the amazing pictures for people that died 1500 years ago, but still are in shape! Subhana Allah!
The article is informative from a Islamic perspective.
Any offensive, argumentative, irrelevant, religion vs. religion s bad vs. good, open-minded vs. closed minded, theist vs. atheist kind of replies all ignored.
Before I start anything I will point out to the fact that in this article I'm going to be overly comfortable with my Islamic ideology, in other words I will handle this topic from a Islamic perspective. Thus, atheists,or open minded community whatever you address yourself don't turn my thread into an argument and try to have me 'convince you' of what I believe. This thread shall let you know [not believe in] my religion perspective. You finding my religion 'making sense' or any of the kind is not my goal, so don't show any disrespect to our beliefs.
The Topic: Pompeii
According to the documentary movie about this city, it was destroyed 'suddenly.' Its people didn't expect that to happen. It was also a wealthy city.Not to mention that it was hidden under ash for around 1500 years, and it was discovered in the 18c. As a Muslim I feel that that was God's punishment for the city people, who were obsessed with physical relationships to unbelievable degree [May Allah protect us from being like that ameen]. I believe that Allah want them to be an example to learn from by others, to see how his mighty Will kept them in their last moment pose until this day, along with their sins not destroyed [their buildings, and the prints on them, etc]. Allah uncovered their sins for us, so we think and know that he is the all knowing and he gives examples of his might to his prayers over and over again.
Allah said:
وكم أهلكنا من قرية بطرت معيشتها فتلك مساكنهم لم تسكن من بعدهم إلا قليلا وكنا نحن الوارثين ( 58 ) وما كان ربك مهلك القرى حتى يبعث في أمها رسولا يتلو عليهم آياتنا وما كنا مهلكي القرى إلا وأهلها ظالمون ( 59 ) ) .
surat Alqasas: 58-59
The point: Allah had destroyed more than a village, which life was based on pleasures (they were over pleasing themselves and spending their money, etc), and Allah never destroyed villages without sending them a messenger that recite Allah's words on them, and Allah would have never destroyed villages, unless their people were sinful (the word wasn't sinful but dalemon, which refers to a bad state of behavior, not only include sins but the way they live their life, etc).
﴿ فَكَأَيِّن مِّن قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا وَهِيَ ظَالِمَةٌ فَهِيَ خَاوِيَةٌ عَلَى عُرُوشِهَا وَبِئْرٍ مُّعَطَّلَةٍ وَقَصْرٍ مَّشِيدٍ ﴾ (الحج: 45).
Al-Haj: 45
The point: Allah destroyed more than a dalema* village, and let their building/castles remain.
وكم من قرية أهلكناها فجاءها بأسنا بياتا أو هم قائلون ( 4 ) فما كان دعواهم إذ جاءهم بأسنا إلا أن قالوا إنا كنا ظالمين ( 5 ) فلنسألن الذين أرسل إليهم ولنسألن المرسلين ( 6 ) فلنقصن عليهم بعلم وما كنا غائبين ( 7 ) ) .
Al-a'araf: 4-7.
The point: Allah destroyed more than a village suddenly, when Allah's torment came to them, they realized that they were dalemon*
وَكَمْ قَصَمْنَا مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ كَانَتْ ظَالِمَةً وَأَنشَأْنَا بَعْدَهَا قَوْمًا آخَرِينَ(11)
Al-anbeya': 11
Point, Allah destroyed villages with dalemon people, and created afterward other nation/people.
{قُلْ هُوَ الْقَادِرُ عَلَى أَنْ يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابًا مِنْ فَوْقِكُمْ أَوْ مِنْ تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِكُمْ أَوْ يَلْبِسَكُمْ شِيَعًا وَيُذِيقَ بَعْضَكُمْ بَأْسَ بَعْضٍ انْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَفْقَهُونَ} [الأنعام:65]
Al-an'aam: 65
Point: Allah is able to send a torment upon you, from above you or beneath your feet, or to make you enemy of each other, as each let the other taste their might.
{أَفَأَمِنَ الَّذِينَ مَكَرُوا السَّيِّئَاتِ أَنْ يَخْسِفَ اللَّهُ بِهِمُ الْأَرْضَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمُ الْعَذَابُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ . أَوْ يَأْخُذَهُمْ فِي تَقَلُّبِهِمْ فَمَا هُمْ بِمُعْجِزِينَ . أَوْ يَأْخُذَهُمْ عَلَى تَخَوُّفٍ فَإِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ} [النحل:45-47]
Alnahal: 45-47
Point: Did those sinful people become assured that Allah won't let the earth eclipsed while they are on it , or that Allah won't bring the torment without them knowing it[suddenly].
{فَكُلًّا أَخَذْنَا بِذَنْبِهِ فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْهِ حَاصِبًا وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَخَذَتْهُ الصَّيْحَةُ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ خَسَفْنَا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَغْرَقْنَا وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيَظْلِمَهُمْ وَلَكِنْ كَانُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ} [العنكبوت:40].
Al-ankaboot: 40
Here Allah is stating different ways he erased people by for their sins, and then Allah says that he didn't misjudge them, but it was them who misjudged themselves [by their sins].
{فَلَمَّا نَسُوا مَا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ أَبْوَابَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ حَتَّى إِذَا فَرِحُوا بِمَا أُوتُوا أَخَذْنَاهُمْ بَغْتَةً فَإِذَا هُمْ مُبْلِسُونَ} [الأنعام:44].
Al-anam: 44.
Point: When these people forget what they were reminded with [that there is God, etc] we open the doors of everything for them, so that when they are happy with what they are given, our punishment takes them by surprise, making them sorrowfully desperate.
---and Allah knows better----
-Why didn't I use what's so called English translation of Quran? Because I believe there is no translation for it or even an absolute tafseer/interpretation of it, thus I wrote the clear point of each aya without getting deep in it, etc, but of course half of knowledge is 'Allah knows better', so Allah knows better [once a member told me not better but best, oh well I'm using it the Arabic way -Allah a'lam- refers to Allah having more knowledge, since i'm used to this Arabic way, i keep writing "better". It's obvious tho that I believe that my creator knows best and is the best.
Allah said:
[وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلا اللَّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ][آل عمران: 7].
Al-Omran: 7
Point: no one knows its [Quran's] true meaning but Allah, and those with settled knowledge say that they believe in it [those who doubt the Quran wont say so, and those who over value themselves give them selves the right to read deeply in Quran and come up with tafseer/ interpretation if Allah willed he would have stated them cleary. And about those who speak falsely in the name of Allah, Allah said:
﴿ وَإِنَّ مِنْهُمْ لَفَرِيقًا يَلْوُونَ أَلْسِنَتَهُمْ بِالْكِتَابِ لِتَحْسَبُوهُ مِنْ الْكِتَابِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ الْكِتَابِ وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ ﴾ [آل عمران].
Al-Omran
Point: there are people who come up by words and try to make it similar to The Book, and it's not from the book, and they say it's from Allah, neither it is from Allah. They are saying lies about Allah, and they know it.
فَوَيْلٌ لِلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ
Al-baqara: 79
Point: Allah is threatening those who write The Book, then say it's from Allah in order to earn with it some little thaman [price].
Alright now, let's see how Wiki describes this city:
"The city of Pompeii was an ancient Roman town-city near modern Naples in the Italian region of Campania, in the territory of the comune of Pompei. Pompeii, along with Herculaneum and many villas in the surrounding area, was mostly destroyed and buried under 4 to 6 m (13 to 20 ft) of ash and pumice in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD.
Researchers believe that the town was founded in the seventh or sixth century BC by the Osci or Oscans and was captured by the Romans in 80 BC. By the time of its destruction, 160 years later, its population was probably approximately 20,000, and the city had a complex water system, an amphitheatre, gymnasium and a port.
The eruption was cataclysmic for the town. Evidence for the destruction originally came from a surviving letter by Pliny the Younger, who saw the eruption from a distance and described the death of his uncle Pliny the Elder, an admiral of the Roman fleet, who tried to rescue citizens. The site was lost for about 1,500 years until its initial rediscovery in 1599 and broader rediscovery almost 150 years later by Spanish engineer Rocque Joaquin de Alcubierre in 1748.[1] The objects that lay beneath the city have been well preserved for centuries because of the lack of air and moisture. These artifacts provide an extraordinarily detailed insight into the life of a city during the Pax Romana. During the excavation, plaster was used to fill in the voids between the ash layers that once held human bodies. This allowed one to see the exact position the person was in when he or she died."
Now let show the amazing pictures for people that died 1500 years ago, but still are in shape! Subhana Allah!
The article is informative from a Islamic perspective.
Any offensive, argumentative, irrelevant, religion vs. religion s bad vs. good, open-minded vs. closed minded, theist vs. atheist kind of replies all ignored.
