You can't be both.

[BAFRIEND]

“The penalty of excommunication for abortion extends to the mother, all medical personnel, anyone who offers the mother moral or financial support to abort, as well as those who publicly campaign for legalized abortion. Incidentally, no formal notification of such excommunication is necessary, as it takes effect as soon as the action is performed.” p. 77 The Catholic Answer Book vol 1, Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas PH.D S.T.D.


Congregation for the Doctorine of Faith: Declaration on Abortion
National Congress of Catholic Bishops: “No Catholic can responsibly take ‘a pro-choice’ stand when the ‘choice’ in question involves the taking of innocent human life”.

 

[Polycarp1]

To: BAFriend
From: Reality

Slightly over half of Christianity does NOT belong to the Roman Catholic Church, and could give a sweet lemon drop what its canon law has to say. Regardless of how they individually feel about the abortion issue.

Yours sincerely,
etc.

 

[Trashionista]

To: BAFriend
From: Reality

Slightly over half of Christianity does NOT belong to the Roman Catholic Church, and could give a sweet lemon drop what its canon law has to say. Regardless of how they individually feel about the abortion issue.

Yours sincerely,
etc.

Yep.

Please, Bafriend. As if you've never personally disagreed with the Church before?

 

[ClausJohn]

“The penalty of excommunication for abortion extends to the mother, all medical personnel, anyone who offers the mother moral or financial support to abort, as well as those who publicly campaign for legalized abortion. Incidentally, no formal notification of such excommunication is necessary, as it takes effect as soon as the action is performed.” p. 77 The Catholic Answer Book vol 1, Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas PH.D S.T.D.

Good idea. The number of churchgoers is dropping already. So the best idea is quite obviously to throw more people out instead of showing understanding.

...i can't really say i'm opposed to the idea in general.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Good idea. The number of churchgoers is dropping already. So the best idea is quite obviously to throw more people out instead of showing understanding.

...i can't really say i'm opposed to the idea in general.

As you are on a Christian forum your views as an athiest are irrelevent.

 

[BAFRIEND]

To: BAFriend
From: Reality

Slightly over half of Christianity does NOT belong to the Roman Catholic Church, and could give a sweet lemon drop what its canon law has to say. Regardless of how they individually feel about the abortion issue.

Yours sincerely,
etc.

This was addressed to the Catholics here promoting choice.

They are in effect, ipso facto, excommunicated. I do not say it, the Church says it.

And this thread is an answer to a query thread started by someone in OBOB about certain people posting in here using the Catholic icon. So someone cares.

If you do not like the thread, feel free to ignore it.

 

[BAFRIEND]

As you are on a Christian forum your views as an athiest are irrelevent.

I cannot even see his posts unless someone quotes them.

Whenever an atheist responds to my posts, wherever, I add them to my ignore list.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

This was addressed to the Catholics here promoting choice.

They are in effect, ipso facto, excommunicated. I do not say it, the Church says it.

And this thread is an answer to a query thread started by someone in OBOB about certain people posting in here using the Catholic icon. So someone cares.

If you do not like the thread, feel free to ignore it.

Is that an official church position, or rather, the position of one person within the church?

(FYI, Catholic, not atheist)

 

[BAFRIEND]

Is that an official church position, or rather, the position of one person within the church?

(FYI, Catholic, not atheist)

That is the official postion of the Church, see the quote in the OP by Rev. Stravinskas.

Publically promoting abortion is ipso facto excommunication in the RCC.

The Church has made some public examples- such as the official excomm. of a state chapter of planned parenthood.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

see the quote in the OP by Rev. Stravinskas.

Thats my question... does Rev Stravinkas speak for the whole church?

 

[Avatar]

Thats my question... does Rev Stravinkas speak for the whole church?

And if he does, what will you do?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And if he does, what will you do?

well... be kinda... um... confused, mostly.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I have been asked to come this thread and give witness.

ok:

I have personally witnessed BA's cut and paste skills before and the opening post should be considered an accuate representation of his abilities to post other peoples thinking without comment and assume you know what he's talking about.


ADDED on Monday Morning:

BA repped me for this comment and then ripped by commenting this way

This is your contribution to a forum debating 50m+ dead children ? Good for you.


I'm torn.

I don't like being ripped by rep.

But way behind my peers in rep points.

Should I have them removed ?

Thoughts ?

 

[Avatar]

I have been asked to come this thread and give witness.

ok:

I have personally witnessed BA's cut and paste skills before and the opening post should be considered an accuate representation of his abilities to post other peoples thinking without comment and assume you know what he's talking about.

His comment was 'you can't be both.' And he's right, your mocking notwithstanding.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

His comment was 'you can't be both.' And he's right, your mocking notwithstanding.

How can I mock someone who doesn't even have his ideas on the post ?

I mean, you can't even say I'm mocking the CCC or the other stuff in the thread because I didn't comment on those.

And I can't be mocking BA because he didn't even say anything to mock in the post of his own.

I think you are flaming me.

Which is ok with me because its really cold where I am

 

[Avatar]

How can I mock someone who doesn't even have his ideas on the post ?

I mean, you can't even say I'm mocking the CCC or the other stuff in the thread because I didn't comment on those.

And I can't be mocking BA because he didn't even say anything to mock in the post of his own.

I think you are flaming me.

Which is ok with me because its really cold where I am

For the second time, his comment was 'you can't be both'.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

For the second time, his comment was 'you can't be both'.

For the third time: both what ?

You can't be both is a sentence fragment with an assumed subject.
The fragment has not context and the assumption, I'm guessing, is that you can't be both Catholic and have a pro-abortion stance.

But even that is open to interpretation.

Since there are two quotes, both without comment in the OP it can be easily assumed that his argument is that you can't be both in agreement with one quote and not the other.

There are several other intrpetations possible.

The assumption is that we folk out here in internetland know what in tarnation BA is talking about when we read his little banner fragment and then his two quotes.

Which we don't

Because we're not mind readers.

Besides, if he actually stated his thesis we could actually discuss it and that would make it impossible for him (or you or anyone) the change the thesis as the arguement progresses.

You can say what you want about me and geo but at least when we take a stand on something we don't equivicate it.

If BA want to say: You can't be both Catholic and pro-abortion why not just post that ?

It seems an easy enough statement to defend.

 

[lincolngreen50]

“The penalty of excommunication for abortion extends to the mother, all medical personnel, anyone who offers the mother moral or financial support to abort, as well as those who publicly campaign for legalized abortion. Incidentally, no formal notification of such excommunication is necessary, as it takes effect as soon as the action is performed.” p. 77 The Catholic Answer Book vol 1, Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas PH.D S.T.D.


Congregation for the Doctorine of Faith: Declaration on Abortion
National Congress of Catholic Bishops: “No Catholic can responsibly take ‘a pro-choice’ stand when the ‘choice’ in question involves the taking of innocent human life”.

 

[Secundulus]

Roman Catholic Canon Law 1398

Can. 1398 A person who actually procures an abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
source: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P55.HTM

 

[Tenebrae]

I guess this is one of those moments that I am glad I am not catholic.


I've had much sucess in stopping abortions as a pro choicer that I ever would have if I'd adopted a stictly pro life approach. If the catholic church would seek to excommunicate me for stopping abortions, like I said, glad I am not a part of it.