You can only get saved if you are under Holy Ghost Conviction

[BornAgain2007]

You must be under Holy Ghost Conviction to get saved! You cannnot just believe and get saved whenever you want.

 

[Hammster]

Can you show from scripture what “Holy Ghost Conviction” means?

 

[Mr. M]

You must be under Holy Ghost Conviction to get saved! You cannnot just believe and get saved whenever you want.

The Holy Spirit convicts by way of the message.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God,
it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 

[Petros2015]

John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Till that conviction, we wear the blindfold of our sins. For the blindfold to come off, is not of human agency, I don't think, certainly not of the human wearing it. It's ultimately an act of the Spirit often occurring in tandem with the presentation of the gospel as the Spirit acts through human agents.... but not always. "The Spirit blows where it wills" as is said.

Corrupted humans, it turns out, are not very good at convicting themselves (though they are very good at asking for pardons if they think they can get away with remaining convicts)

 

[BornAgain2007]

The Holy Spirit convicts by way of the message.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God,
it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

No, you will know when the Holy Ghost convicts your heart.

 

[BornAgain2007]

John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Till that conviction, we wear the blindfold of our sins. For the blindfold to come off, is not of human agency, I don't think, certainly not of the human wearing it. It's ultimately an act of the Spirit often occurring in tandem with the presentation of the gospel as the Spirit acts through human agents.... but not always. "The Spirit blows where it wills" as is said.

Corrupted humans, it turns out, are not very good at convicting themselves (though they are very good at asking for pardons if they think they can get away with remaining convicts)

True Petros2015

 

[Mr. M]

No, you will know when the Holy Ghost convicts your heart.

Yes, You will. And it will happen when you hear and comprehend what God has done for you
through His Son.

 

[renniks]

You must be under Holy Ghost Conviction to get saved! You cannnot just believe and get saved whenever you want.

But if you want to get saved, would that not mean you were being convicted?

 

[BornAgain2007]

Yes, You will. And it will happen when you hear and comprehend what God has done for you
through His Son.

Not hardly friend, it will happen when decides to convict your heart and give you an opportunity to get saved.

 

[BornAgain2007]

But if you want to get saved, would that not mean you were being convicted?

No, you can only get saved when God gives you an opportunity to get saved. You can't just decide to get saved whenever you want; God MUST be drawing you and believe me you will know when God deals with you.

 

[Mr. M]

Not hardly friend, it will happen when decides to convict your heart and give you an opportunity to get saved.

One final question, and I will leave you to it. Do you ever actually quote any Bible verses
to support your teaching, or should everyone just take your word for it. After all, I have only
been born again for over 50 years, and I am obviously still trying to figure out this mystery.

 

[renniks]

No, you can only get saved when God gives you an opportunity to get saved. You can't just decide to get saved whenever you want; God MUST be drawing you and believe me you will know when God deals with you.

I understand that. But I don't understand why you would have any desire to be saved if you weren't under conviction. When I still refused the Spirit I was still under conviction at times and I knew it. I didn't want to get saved on my own. I get that. But anyone who truly desires salvation would have to be under some degree of conviction or he would not care.

 

[Blade]

Can you show from scripture what “Holy Ghost Conviction” means?

Prasie GOD.. yes this..

You said "You must be under Holy Ghost Conviction to get saved! You cannnot just believe and get saved whenever you want."

Even the lord when He tells us shows us something He will always shows us in the word where its written. This is why our brother Hammster asked for scripture.

So far just because you said it.. .its still not true. Where does it say "you must be under the Holy Ghost Conviction to get saved" <--this is not in the word of God.

Did not Jesus say "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." Did not Jesus say "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Oh I know what you mean. Yet it means nothing unless we can show where in the word of God what we said is clearly written. Now what meant to say or kind of like said.. bless you to be saved....oh praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS!

 

[Brightfame52]

No, you can only get saved when God gives you an opportunity to get saved. You can't just decide to get saved whenever you want; God MUST be drawing you and believe me you will know when God deals with you.

So you dont believe that Christs death alone saved them He died for from the penalty of their sins ? Yes or No

 

[Petros2015]

So you dont believe that Christs death alone saved them He died for from the penalty of their sins ? Yes or No

Billions of people believe in "Christ's death alone"
i.e. there was a historical figure named Jesus and he died.

Not that many believe or profess to believe that he was resurrected after.

Most people would agree that if God resurrected a man after his death
Possibly the things the man was saying while he was alive
Including where he came from
And who He was in relation to God
Were True and Important
But this still doesn't mean they pay any attention to them

It's one thing if a man is claiming to offer eternal life
And eternal Truth
And amnesty with God
And says "Follow me, I am the Way, the resurrection and the life"
And you kill him
And he stays dead

It's an entirely different thing
If a man is claiming to offer eternal life
And eternal Truth
And amnesty with God
And you kill him
And He gets back up

That's when the ice hits the veins; or at least that's when it should.
Not just the "what have we done?"
But "what/who are we?"
And "who have we just done it to?"

23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

Those who believe, listen and follow
Those who do not believe, don't listen and don't follow
Following is the the outcome of believing
From the conviction of the Holy Spirit
The Thief on the Cross, for example
Was saved
Not by following
Or for following
But by conviction
Following would have followed naturally after
...But since they were both nailed to crosses at the time
There was nowhere for the thief to follow him
Except into and through death
But this he did
Faithfully

39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

He acknowledged Christ as King, Himself as Sinner, Christ as Innocent. Christ from God.
If Christ HAD then honored the 1st thief's request
It looks to me like the 1st thief would still have remained a thief
And the 2nd had already repented and stopped being one
Convicted by the Holy Spirit
Which presented itself to him
In Christ

 

[Brightfame52]

Billions of people believe in "Christ's death alone"
i.e. there was a historical figure named Jesus and he died.

Not that many believe or profess to believe that he was resurrected after.

Most people would agree that if God resurrected a man after his death
Possibly the things the man was saying while he was alive
Including where he came from
And who He was in relation to God
Were True and Important
But this still doesn't mean they pay any attention to them

It's one thing if a man is claiming to offer eternal life
And eternal Truth
And amnesty with God
And says "Follow me, I am the Way, the resurrection and the life"
And you kill him
And he stays dead

It's an entirely different thing
If a man is claiming to offer eternal life
And eternal Truth
And amnesty with God
And you kill him
And He gets back up

That's when the ice hits the veins; or at least that's when it should.
Not just the "what have we done?"
But "what/who are we?"
And "who have we just done it to?"

23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

Those who believe, listen and follow
Those who do not believe, don't listen and don't follow
Following is the the outcome of believing
From the conviction of the Holy Spirit
The Thief on the Cross, for example
Was saved
Not by following
Or for following
But by conviction
Following would have followed naturally after
...But since they were both nailed to crosses at the time
There was nowhere for the thief to follow him
Except into and through death
But this he did
Faithfully

39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

He acknowledged Christ as King, Himself as Sinner, Christ as Innocent. Christ from God.
If Christ HAD then honored the 1st thief's request
It looks to me like the 1st thief would still have remained a thief
And the 2nd had already repented and stopped being one
Convicted by the Holy Spirit
Which presented itself to him
In Christ

All this and you failed to answer my yes or no question !

 

[Petros2015]

All this and you failed to answer my yes or no question !

No, Christ's death alone does not save people.
It's a necessary component of what does.
But if it was the only component
Then all you would have
Is a dead Christ.
Is that all you have?
If so, good luck.
If not, what else do you have?

To be fair, dead Christs are often more convenient than live ones;
This was the thinking of the Pharisees of His day.

 

[Brightfame52]

petros2015

No, Christ's death alone does not save people.

My Lord, I was afraid you would say that. Thats stripping Christ/Cross of His Saving efficacy. Its by His stripes we are healed Peter writes 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The word healed here means bring about ones salvation, to effect it !

 

[Petros2015]

I agree with that - and I think you would agree with this statement "I have a resurrected Christ, not a dead one"

 

[Brightfame52]

I agree with that - and I think you would agree with this statement "I have a resurrected Christ, not a dead one"

Didnt you say Christs death in and of itself doesnt save anyone ? That contradicts 1 Pet 2:24