Yom Kippur (fulfillment)

[Achichem]

Now as we all know Yom Kippur means "The Day of Atonement",
We also know that in physical meaning it is the Passover not Yom Kippur that is the Atonement.
So why would God mark this day?
Well, Herbert W. Armstrong promoted (he was not the first) that it represented the event of the “Satan’s” binding.

What your thought’s on this,
It would make sense to me,
Why,(to my knowledge)
-Goat often represents sinners
-“Blood” source does not effect representation.

So, from what I understand,
The first Goat is the sin of man, transferring by blood (holy blood) to a scapegoat (Satan to source), the scapegoat (Satan) then travel (banished) off to nothingness.
Seem simple enough to me,
But then why is it called the Day of Atonement,
possibly:
-It the day the effect takes place in the sense of the complete remove of sin (banishment)

It also seems to fit the schedule,
What you’re thoughts on this, crazy fantasy or a real possibility.

 

[simchat_torah]

I am curious DaTsar, do you attend a WWCOG congregation?

-Yafet.

 

[iitb]

I believe DaTsar attends a United Church of God congregation. To the best of my knowledge, they are a group that split from WWCOG.

 

[Achichem]

I am curious DaTsar, do you attend a WWCOG congregation?

I believe DaTsar attends a United Church of God congregation. To the best of my knowledge, they are a group that split from WWCOG.

WWCOG - doesn't even teach to follow G-d Torah anymore Not as though I knew of time when they did.

So yes, UCG is my main church as of current time,this is mainly because they are the ones who awoke me from my blindness to the torah, and show'd me how little I knew of G-d word.

However,as I grow in the Torah, I have come to disagree with them on a few ponits, but nothing too big,yet.

I do now also attend a more orthodox MJ cong. after hanging around here,and I actually begining to lean more and more toward this, rather then the more liberal UCG.

I am curious, do you have some questions regarding somthing about the UCG or the Herbert W. Armstrong WWCOG, or a reason why going might be a problem?

 

[BenTsion]

I am curious, do you have some questions regarding somthing about the UCG or the Herbert W. Armstrong WWCOG, or a reason why going might be a problem?

DaTsar,
Shalom!
The problem with Armstrong is the same as the one with Ellen G. White - though they had positive things in their speeches, such as bringing people back to the Torah, they were known to have said A LOT of heresies. All in all, they brought more bad than good. Armstrong for one had some pretty weird thoughts on the nature of G-d, salvation and some other crucial elements of our faith, like Yeshua's deity, people becoming a part of the G-dhead, salvation by works, the way the Watchman Expositor puts it, it sounds sort of like Jehovah's Witnesses meet the Mormons kinda thing. Anyway, that doesn't mean you need to stop attending wherever you're attending. Remember the recommendation in Brit Hadasha: try all things, hold fast to that which is good.

In Mashiach,
Ben Tsion

 

[simchat_torah]

I am curious, do you have some questions regarding somthing about the UCG or the Herbert W. Armstrong WWCOG, or a reason why going might be a problem?

No, no questions really. I've studied the WWCoG quite a bit. I'm also familiar with a number of the splinter groups, such as the UCG.

I don't forsee a problem, however, if one is a part of the wwcog, doubtful, but it might cause a bit of tension in the MJ forums, as it is not 'messianic' per se. Since you are strongly leaning more towards MJ'ism, it probably will never even be an issue.

I'm with holding my personal comments on the WWCoG at this time though (unless directly asked ).

Shalom!
Yafet.

 

[Valid Name]

Greetings DaTsar,

I am curious why you say that the Passover and not Yom Kippur is the atonement.

I do have a couple of thoughts for you on this. I have not studied Yom Kippur to the extent I like, however I do have a couple of ideas that I sometimes kick around with it.

On Yom Kippur there are to sacrifices, one noble, and one not. One is for The Father, and the other for Azezel.

If you look closely, I believe you can find two sacrifices when Messiah died. One - Messiah
Two - Judas

One died noblely, one did not.

Just thoughts, and If I missed some facts I apologize - It has been a while since I looked closley at Lev 16.

Peace,
Valid Name

 

[Achichem]

Armstrong for one had some pretty weird thoughts on the nature of G-d, salvation and some other crucial elements of our faith, like Yeshua's deity, people becoming a part of the G-dhead, salvation by works

Yah, from what I know most have been work out,
Except it seems “becoming a part of the G-d”, though not supported by most people (I should say new people in to the UCG, which is most of my congregation) many of the old WCGs have some really twisted ideas on this, luckily my pastor not keen at all on it. But we did have one ex-pastor who applying to get back in talk to us on such, the cringe that came across us all was very unforgettable, I walked out right after he said it, I probably would of never come back, except I call the pastor to check up on it, and he explained, that some kink take longer to get out of the system.

I'm with holding my personal comments on the WWCoG at this time though

I would like to hear please, I don’t care if you PM them or post, them, to tell you the truth, I haven’t done too much study (which is odd for me) but since they gave me booklets to digest(which so far are good), and most site are too bais in one way, I have never really got a chance to hear straight out.
Also, not to go off topic but you posted to for Rachel in the other thread, are these good for me, I would like to get some good material.
http://www.millennium7000.com/indexhtml.html
If not, do you know of one that would be good for me.

I am curious why you say that the Passover and not Yom Kippur is the atonement.
I do have a couple of thoughts for you on this. I have not studied Yom Kippur to the extent I like, however I do have a couple of ideas that I sometimes kick around with it.

Well I guess that cause I just figured Passover = Yeshua sacrifice
Yeshua sacrifice = atonement,
Day of atonement = part of the great harvest not first fruit harvests
Why am I off track?
This is why I posted this, I am getting so confused, on these matters.
Sa'Halway,
DaTsar