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Yom Kippor Reply: Red Heifer

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I Wrote this initially to DaTsar as a reply to his Yom Kippor Thread. I thought that the length of it I might start a new one, and I of course kind of get off topic. And besides, I enjoy the company here enough to share what I know without being labeled a heretic.
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Greetings DaTsar,
I am greatful that the rules of this forum are setup the way that they are. Many people who like to trample Torah would cause me not to be able to present this freely as I can here to you.

I do not believe that the Passover is an atoning sacrifice. We know that Paul says the Law is a shadow of things to come. You can see Messiah's shadow in the Passover, and I do see how you would relate the Passover to an Atoning sacrifice, because you know that the New Testement Reveals Messiah as Such. I do believe that consistancy must be taken however. If The Torah does not reveal a certian sacrifice as such, I feel there would be a liberty taken to say that Because the New Testement says Messiah is an Atonement, and He Is The Passover, that the Passover is an Atonement.

We can see Messiah's fulfillment as the Passover in scripture:

According to the Passover Law, on the 10th of the first month a lamb must be brought into the house. Messiah, being the Passover, rode into the spiritual house that day upon a donkey.
Also according to the Law, on the 14th the passover had to be killed. Likewise was Messiah at this time.

According to the Law no bones could be broken of the Passover lamb, niether was there a bone broken of Messiah (John 19:36).

These things were done that they might be according to scripture. The Passover lamb is not portraited as an Atonement (now unless someone can clarify) or for forgiveness of sin. The Passover lamb was eaten in the night, and it was to be eaten in haste (quickly) in Egypt. We likewise have our passover lamb that we have eaten at night (in the darkness from truth) and are to eat it quickly. When we see that we are in Egpyt, we are to flee it, and not to wait around.

But do not fear, Yeshua is so much more than a Passover lamb!

Paul speaks to the Corithians about the milk that he had fed them, that which is of First Importance. He told them How Yeshua died, was buried, and rose and the THIRD DAY according to the Scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
This THIRD DAY death, burial, and resurection is hidden from the Natural Man. It takes a bit of gnostisism to see it. Now don't turn me off because I used a traditionaly heretical word - it takes no more than to see the similiarities that you can plainly see with the Passover Lamb and in scripture. Did not Paul talk about Covenent Allegories? Are these things not hidden in scripture?

Yeshua was more than a Passover Lamb, he was also a Red Heifer!

Numbers 19, the sacrifice of the Red Heifer, is very important in the Jewish mind. It is a Purification FROM sin. It is also one of only to places that the phrase "This is the Ordinance of the Law," is used.
As far as historical Wisdom, not much is known about the Red Heifer, here are a few quotes so that you can see the issues that pertain to it:
The Insistence of the Bible on the read color in unexplained. The Christian Scriptures apparently saw in it an evocation of blood and compared the blood of Christ to the red cow in that it removed spiritual defilement ("dead works"; Hebrews 9:13-14).
Most difficult of all the aspects of the rite is the provision that handling the ashes rendered impure, while the ashes themselves made pure. A midrash relates that a Gentile once came to R. Johanan ben Zakkai and asked about the reason for the ritual. The rabbi gave him a rational answer but later admitted to his students that a mystery was involved, for in and of themselves the dead were not umpure nor the ashes purifying. "But," said the sage, "this is what God has decreed, and you may not transgress His law" [8]. The puzzlement over the contradiction has persisted to this day, and we may well speculate whether this rite of ancient origin does not reflect the inherent and hence persistent contradiction between life and death. They are eternally linked and eternally in tension, and whoever touches them touches both purity and impurity and the same time.

Allegory

The spotlessness of the cow and her death outside the camp suggested to Christian interpreters the story of Jesus; red, the color of the blood of the passion; the ceder, hope; the hyssop, faith; the scarlet, charity. The dead who make men unclean are man's dead works. - AUGUSTINE

Soloman's Wisdom

Soloman was wiser than all men, but when it came to the section of the red cow he admitted: "I said, 'I will get wisdom,' but it was far from me." - MIDRASH

Plaut, W. Gunther - THE TORAH A Modern Commentary - Union of American Hebrew Congregations, New York - 1981 - pages 1148 - 1149
Now as Far as the understanding, of this, a good concordance can go a long way!

In Numbers 19:2, you can see that the Heifer was to have No Yoke to have come upon it. Could Yeshua Fit this? Of Course, for he was not Yoked by the Slavery of Sin!

Verse 3: The Heifer was to be burned outside the camp -
Hebrews 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. 12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Verse 6: Ceder Wood, Hyssop, and Scarlet were to be added to the burning of the Heifer:
John 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

Matthew 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

Now I realize that what the Cross was made of was never revealed in the Gospels - However I would find it pretty safe to assume that it was Ceder!
Verse 9: A clean Man must gather up the ashes of the Heifer (Messiah's body, representing the Ashes) and Lay them in a CLEAN place:
Luke 23:50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just: 51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Verse 15: Every open Vessel is unclean:
Matthew 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
Verse 17: Running (Hebrew Literal - LIVING WATER) Water Had to be added to the Ashes of the Heifer. Messiah Speaks of LIVING WATER in the way of Eternal Life:
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Verse 18: Hyssop is to be taken, and this mixture is to be sprinkled on the THIRD DAY, and On the SEVENTH DAY. He who does not get sprinkled, is CUT OFF from the Sanctuary of The Father:
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Now Remember the Heifer, whomever Touches the Ashes, become unclean - And whomever is sprinkled by them, is clean.

Do we not have to be sinners to take claim to the Justification of Messiah?:
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Do we not have to Admit our sin (unclean) to become Justified (clean)?
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DaTsar, I hope you are shown what was shown to me. Yeshua is so much more when Torah is applied than not, and that the knowledge of Torah might reveal him.

Peace and Blessings,
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