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I think you just surrendered your arguement and support for your dogma of the VIRGINITY of Eve before the Fall and the PERPETUAL VIRGINITY of Mary.
Can someone tell me in what way believing Mary is a perpetual virgin or that Jesus has no real brothers helps me to become like Christ?
You seem to forget one very important thing here, Josiah. Our opinions are not what are important. What is important is Truth and I surrender my limited knowledge and my limited intelligence to those who walked in Christ more perfectly than I will ever walk. They are the Church and they say that Adam and Eve were virgins in the Garden and that Mary was ever-virgin. How do I know that they speak the Truth? Because of their lives and their deaths. Their Virtue and Grace are manifested in the way they lived and in the way they died. You are arguing against Holy Tradition, against the teachings that have always been. You are arguing against St. John Chrysostom, St. John Damascene, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Basil, St. Ephraim the Syrian, and many, many others. I will step down now and allow you to argue with the Church.
Believe it on not some argue against the original aspostles..Remember mans ideas crept in from day one evn to the taking of sides..I am of Ieter, I am of Paul.. I would rather err on th side of the apostlses than someone futher away from thier time..remember whenw e get to the judgement seat our works will be rewarded for following the teachings of Christ and His words in the sacred scripture and not in this added later...If the sacred scripture do not at least support someting then I would be a little leery..Remember this is all about Christ and truely"knowing Him..And not about following things that came along later.. If these things were that important to follow, thay would have been brought up in what we know as the sacred scriptures..pax..Kim
From Mary we learn Virtue
Yes, your denomination teaches this. As dogma.
Lots of denominations teach lots of things. Are they always, automatically, categorically and unquestionably correct? Or just yours?
If you make a statement of fact and as dogma, you should not be surprised or offended that others ask for some substantiation.
It's true that some later church father's believed this. Many Christians - including Luther and Calvin - did/do. But that's not the issue we're discussing. We're discussing if it's true.
Yes, your denomination teaches it. But the Bible, the noncanonical book you suggested, and the earliest church fathers do not. There is no evidence that it "was always taught" - much less as dogma. But you don't seem to appreciate that YOU are the one with the dogma on the issue of how often Mary and Joseph did it together after Jesus was born. YOU are the one saying it's a fact. YOU are the one saying it's of highest certainty and importance and must be believed. It's YOUR dogma. You shouldn't be so troubled that people ask you for verification. And you shouldn't be surprised that others do not find as compelling, "But my denomination says it's right!" anymore than we would if a JW or Christian Scientist used the same defense and substantiation for the denomination's teaching. I hope you can appreicate that. Because YOU are the one insisting that they never did it - not once - and that you are dogmatically certain of this. It's YOUR view.
Thank you.
Pax!
- Josiah
What in the world does a wife not lovingly sharing intimacies with her husband within the sacred bonds of the Sacrament of Marriage have to do with virtue? Is it your position that a wife that so lovingly shares with her husband is less virtuous than one who does not? Does such loving, mutual sharing somehow defile the wife and make her impure and unvirtuous?
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It is supported in the Holy Scriptures. You choose to interpret it differently.
Being that you are an admitted virgin, you have no authority or understanding of what this means.
If Jesus had wanted a single book to be the sole deposit of Faith and teaching, perhaps He would have written one?
You don't need a living Church guided by my spirit. Take this book and follow it."
Or Perhaps He would have ensured that the Bible said somewhere that it contained everything exclusively that He had taught, and all interpretation of that teaching. Perhaps He could have then listed the books of the Bible too?
Jesus left His teaching authority to the Church He founded, guided by the Spirit.
It is called Purity and Chastity. From Mary we learn Virtue and Obedience, Suffering, and a complete devotion to Jesus Christ.
Love,
Christina
Believe it on not some argue against the original aspostles..Remember mans ideas crept in from day one even to the taking of sides..I am of Peter, I am of Paul.. I would rather err on th side of the apostlses than someone futher away from thier time..Remember when we get to the judgement seat our works will be rewarded for following the teachings of Christ and His words in the sacred scripture and not in that which was added later...If the sacred scripture do not at least support someting then I would be a little leery..Remember this is all about Christ and truely"knowing Him..And not about following things that came along later.. If these things were that important to follow, they would have been brought up in what we know as the sacred scriptures.. I have nothing against the ecf's as they provide testimoney of God's faithfullness, just like hebrews..My issue come when we start makeing dogmas and doctrines apart fron the original apostles, we open ourselves up for even more error to creap in....pax..Kim
God sancitfied marriage from the very beginning with Adam and Eve.. They were to become one flesh.. Now how do you suppose this is to happen? This is why men and woman are created with the bodies we have is so as we can come together as one flesh..
What did it mean that he didn't "know" her til after Christ was born? What does "know " mean in a biblical sense...You guys try to explain too much into something..pax..Kim
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