YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[TexasSky]

The bible tells us that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Under the old law, the only way to atone for sin was through sacrifice.

Sacrifice did not "erase the law", it "erased the record of the transgression of the law."

Christ was the sacrifice for all of us.
His sacrifice did not erase God's law.
His sacrifice erased the record of our transgressions.

John wrote:

6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:6

That doesn't mean that Christians never sin, it means that Christ in us will cause us to repent from sin.

In context it actually reads:
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

The bible tells us that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Under the old law, the only way to atone for sin was through sacrifice.

Sacrifice did not "erase the law", it "erased the record of the transgression of the law."

Christ was the sacrifice for all of us.
His sacrifice did not erase God's law.
His sacrifice erased the record of our transgressions.

John wrote:

6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:6

That doesn't mean that Christians never sin, it means that Christ in us will cause us to repent from sin.

In context it actually reads:
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

If Jesus only erased the punishment of the law then how can this be? For Christ did not erase the punishement.. He became Sin.. Those who believe in Him are declared righteous through Him and Him alone. The law having not legal binding to us any more.. We are dead to it.. We are now married to Christ our Risen savior

 

[Tkjjc]

I revised my post here, please read if you will

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41271281&postcount=392

 

[holo]

The bible tells us that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Under the old law, the only way to atone for sin was through sacrifice.

Sacrifice did not "erase the law", it "erased the record of the transgression of the law."

Animal sacrifices did that, yes. But when Christ died, we died with Him

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

If Jesus only erased the punishment of the law then how can this be? For Christ did not erase the punishement.. He became Sin.. Those who believe in Him are declared righteous through Him and Him alone. The law having not legal binding to us any more.. We are dead to it.. We are now married to Christ our Risen savior

How can you be dead to it when Paul says if you consider yourself of the Spirit then you are subject to it and if you are carnal you are not subject to it.

What!???? We should have been the ones on the cross, He took our place, He died in our place once and for all. That was the penalty. The wages of sin are death.

Isn't our Savior AWESOME!

 

[HisbyAdoption]

What!???? We should have been the ones on the cross, He took our place, He died in our place once and for all. That was the penalty. The wages of sin are death.

We have already died Marc.. We died with Christ.. We have been risen up in newness of Life..

 

[PROPHECYKID]

The bible tells us that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Under the old law, the only way to atone for sin was through sacrifice.

Sacrifice did not "erase the law", it "erased the record of the transgression of the law."

Christ was the sacrifice for all of us.
His sacrifice did not erase God's law.
His sacrifice erased the record of our transgressions.

John wrote:

6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:6

That doesn't mean that Christians never sin, it means that Christ in us will cause us to repent from sin.

In context it actually reads:
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

So So true!! Good post.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

That doesn't mean that Christians never sin, it means that Christ in us will cause us to repent from sin.

LOL.. Actually when we have Christ in us it means that we are no longer slaves to sin.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

If Jesus only erased the punishment of the law then how can this be? For Christ did not erase the punishement.. He became Sin.. Those who believe in Him are declared righteous through Him and Him alone. The law having not legal binding to us any more.. We are dead to it.. We are now married to Christ our Risen savior

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

A man is righteous when Jesus cleanses him from all unrighteousness. That is what the bible says. I can understand your point of views here but you are taking it a little bit in the wrong way. Jesus becoming sin for us does not mean that we cannot sin or else we would not need to confess our sins. The bible also states that when we sin we have an advocate with the father.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

That verse is saying that if any one of God's children sins he has an advocate with the father because Jesus is the offering sacrifice for our sins. It did not say because Jesus is the sacrifices from our sins that we cannot sin.

 

[fritz300]

???

So... what sins, or whose sins, is it that needs to be paid for with the blood of animals during the millennial reign?

Who said anything about them paying for sins?

Animal offerings are not limited to sin sacrifices or atonements... but offerings, sweet sweet savors to YHVH.


Regards,
fritz

 

[HisbyAdoption]

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

A man is righteous when Jesus cleanses him from all unrighteousness. That is what the bible says. I can understand your point of views here but you are taking it a little bit in the wrong way. Jesus becoming sin for us does not mean that we cannot sin or else we would not need to confess our sins. The bible also states that when we sin we have an advocate with the father.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

That verse is saying that if any one of God's children sins he has an advocate with the father because Jesus is the offering sacrifice for our sins. It did not say because Jesus is the sacrifices from our sins that we cannot sin.

This is why we are to put off the old self and walk in the newness of the Spirit.. So that we do not walk according to the flesh and the sins that dwells in there..

 

[holo]

Who said anything about them paying for sins?

Animal offerings are not limited to sin sacrifices or atonements... but offerings, sweet sweet savors to YHVH.

In that case, I hope my dog didn't go to heaven after all.

 

[fritz300]

In that case, I hope my dog didn't go to heaven after all.

The idea of an unclean animal being offered to YHVH is not even funny

 

[fritz300]

This is why we are to put off the old self and walk in the newness of the Spirit.. So that we do not walk according to the flesh and the sins that dwells in there..

So I'm guessing that I shouldn't state the obvious, but I guess that means you haven't even lied since you've become a believer, right?

You've been free from sin since you were a believer? No lying, no coveting, haven't been angry, no lusting, no greed, no hate, no forgiveness's, no bitterness?

I think answer is no... we still sin daily...

Regards,
fritz

 

[holo]

The idea of an unclean animal being offered to YHVH is not even funny

 

[holo]

So I'm guessing that I shouldn't state the obvious, but I guess that means you haven't even lied since you've become a believer, right?

You've been free from sin since you were a believer? No lying, no coveting, haven't been angry, no lusting, no greed, no hate, no forgiveness's, no bitterness?

I think answer is no... we still sin daily...

Regards,
fritz

Doing a good deed doesn't make you a righteous person, and doing a sin doesn't make you a sinner. We were sinners by birth, because we were "in Adam" - it was our born identity. Now, however, we are "in Christ," who is the second Adam. He IS our righteousness. My doing something right doesn't add to His righteousness, and my doing something bad doesn't take anything away from His righteousness. And even the good things that I do, aren't really my doings, but Him working through me.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Doing a good deed doesn't make you a righteous person, and doing a sin doesn't make you a sinner. We were sinners by birth, because we were "in Adam" - it was our born identity. Now, however, we are "in Christ," who is the second Adam. He IS our righteousness. My doing something right doesn't add to His righteousness, and my doing something bad doesn't take anything away from His righteousness. And even the good things that I do, aren't really my doings, but Him working through me.

Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

This comes from the parable of the man who had 100 sheep and lost one and went to look for it and found it. The shepherd is Jesus and the sheep are his people. So one of his people stray away from him. We can assume that since sin separates us from God that this person has sinned. The bible refers to that person as a sinner. What person comes to repentance it gives the host of heaven great joy.
This saint that strayed has now become a sinner because he was separated from God and then he repents and comes back to the fold.

If sinning does not cause us to be sinners then who is a sinner. Paul refers to himself as chief of sinners though he was led by the spirit.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

So I'm guessing that I shouldn't state the obvious, but I guess that means you haven't even lied since you've become a believer, right?

You've been free from sin since you were a believer? No lying, no coveting, haven't been angry, no lusting, no greed, no hate, no forgiveness's, no bitterness?

I think answer is no... we still sin daily...

Regards,
fritz

Like I have said before that side of perfection will not come until the corruptable puts on the uncorruptable. Sin dwells in our mortal bodies.. We will have the struggle just as Paul did..

 

[squint]

If sinning does not cause us to be sinners then who is a sinner. Paul refers to himself as chief of sinners though he was led by the spirit.

You might note that Paul noted the sin that indwelt his flesh as NO LONGER I twice in Romans 7, also stating that EVIL was 'present with him' whenever he desired to do good.

Paul was neither the SAME AS that sin indwelling NOR was Paul the SAME AS the "evil present" with him or their would be no sense heeding what he had to say.

Paul also admitted the presence of messenger of Satan that was with him to buffet his flesh so do the math.

The habitation of devils is CLEARLY shown to be IN mankind, and believers are no exception. It takes real truth in the heart to come to grips on this matter BECAUSE the resistors in the flesh have an uncontrollable desire to BLAME AND ACCUSE our fellow man for sins. That is their primary activity, because THEY are involved...

"he who commits sin is of the devil-" 1 John 3:9

So no, it's not just MAN who is the "sinner." It IS what abides in the flesh that is NOT YOU and NOT I and NOT PAUL just as he said. The ONLY other logical party then that is involved with sin is the devil and his messengers.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

You might note that Paul noted the sin that indwelt his flesh as NO LONGER I twice in Romans 7, also stating that EVIL was 'present with him' whenever he desired to do good.

Paul was neither the SAME AS that sin indwelling NOR was Paul the SAME AS the "evil present" with him or their would be no sense heeding what he had to say.

Paul also admitted the presence of messenger of Satan that was with him to buffet his flesh so do the math.

The habitation of devils is CLEARLY shown to be IN mankind, and believers are no exception. It takes real truth in the heart to come to grips on this matter BECAUSE the resistors in the flesh have an uncontrollable desire to BLAME AND ACCUSE our fellow man for sins. That is their primary activity, because THEY are involved...

"he who commits sin is of the devil-" 1 John 3:9

So no, it's not just MAN who is the "sinner." It IS what abides in the flesh that is NOT YOU and NOT I and NOT PAUL just as he said. The ONLY other logical party then that is involved with sin is the devil and his messengers.

There is a measure of truth to what you are saying because if it was not for Satan, Adam and Eve would have never sinned. However although it is the devil that is behind our sins we are still accountable. As long as God is available the excuse that the devil made me do it cannot be used.
If we let God take full control of our lives there will be no place for the devil. When we fall short of letting God have full control then the devil can go to work.