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I want peace, reason, fulfillment, friendship, and understanding. Glad to know you think I'll get it.
If you want a universe with no God, I believe that is what you'll get.
Who says that just because some people do not believe in a deity, that they want them to not exist?
Do you know any persons who truly don't believe in a deity yet who do truly want one to exist?
Exactly. You won't be held morally accountable for your actions, but for whether you believed in the correct doctrines.
Which is a rather perverse system to call "just". It simply has nothing to do with justice.
How did you conclude Jesus told you?
If your religion does not have definitive answers, how do you know eternal life is about communion with the source of life, which I would assume you mean to be belief in your God?
If I did see a wild Yahweh appear after I die I would ask one thing: is my grandfather happy?
Then I'd accept whatever answer he gives and be on my way to hell.
You'd be hard pressed to find an atheist who DOESN'T.
Not at all ... I see it as a side issue in that context is all. It's a red herring.Do you suggest humans can be infallible, or that we exhibit to be error prone ?
I'm old enough to be your grandfather.
You don't remember being taught to treat white people as though they were grizzly bears wandering into your tent ("Move slowly around them, don't speak too loud, and never look them in the eyes"). You don't remember having to pee in a bottle on a road trip because you weren't allowed to go to a public restroom.
You don't actually remember being a kid hearing about the freedom rides and being in fear, or the marching to gain entrance in the town movie theater or swimming pool and seeing the snarling white adult faces threatening your life, hearing them curse you--and knowing they could kill you and walk away without even prosecution.
I'll bet you even knew some white kids by name before you were even a teenager (which I didn't--I didn't know a single white person by name before I was a teenager).
You probably never had a gang of whites on your front lawn demanding your blood because they thought you were talking to a white girl.
And you're angry? You've lost faith?
First: I did not say that persons who don't believe in deities don't want them to exist. I said effectively just the opposite. I said: If you want a universe with no God, I believe that is what you'll get.
Second: Do you know any persons who truly don't believe in a deity yet who do truly want one to exist?
In my opinion, if someone really wants something to exist (bad enough) they will rationalize with themselves, that it does exist.
There are some people, that do want something to exist, but they think in a way, that doesn't allow them to pretend it exist, even though they want it to, because they can't reconcile it in their own mind.
Of course, the opposite can happen as well, when people really want something not to exist, even if there is good evidence that something does exist.
My respects to your grandad. I think it's amazing you got to experience having him, and you still honor him. At times, I wish I had something similar as a child, but in other ways, I'm glad I didn't :/What saddens me further is when my aunts come around they tell me I look just like him...
Hurts every single time I hear it... love you grandad
First of all, I've never denied God, in order to deny you must have access to him; I never did.Hello there guys. I am sure this have been discussed before in this forum, but I would like to know your point of view in my post here. What if, after all, the judeo-christian turns out to be the only one (as I believe He is), you die, but you realize you are perfectly conscious, you have your memories intact, but you are standing before Christ, before God, and it turns out that your entire life you have been denying Him. What now?
I don't want to debate the possibility of: yeah, but what if it's not true and you have been believing in a lie your whole life? I don't mind about that.
So, what if it turns out to be all true and you will most likely burn, not being able to assume God's love? (In this case, note that I do not have the knowledge to know who is going or not going to be in the state of hell).
My respects to your grandad. I think it's amazing you got to experience having him, and you still honor him. At times, I wish I had something similar as a child, but in other ways, I'm glad I didn't :/
And you're angry? You've lost faith?
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