YEC is physically impossible

[Hans Blaster]

Well, I think these ones did daily, but no, not all of them do, etc.

God Bless.

The Israelites weren't a nomdic tribe when in the desert, they were a displaced people who apparently did move from time to time.

Here's a archeological problem that you can't solve with moving campsites. Where are the graves?

According to the Genesis story, a large number of people lived in the Sinai for 40 years and the number who exited was almost the same as the number who entered. Since 40 years is a typical lifespan there should have been a similar number of deaths in 40 years to maintain the population balanced by an equal number of births. Where are the graves or evidence of cremations for 200,000 to 2,000,000 people in a short time period at the end of the Bronze Age?

 

[Astrid]

Wow. Is that ever self-serving. Do you really think that scientists care all that much about the way an eccentric minority Christian sect interprets an ancient holy book?

I can say with certainty that Chunese scientists are
no more concerned with silly, or any
ways to read the bible than christian fundies
are with the rules of rhodesian stickball.

Even if the Stickballists think theres nothing more imoortant.

 

[Astrid]

The Israelites weren't a nomdic tribe when in the desert, they were a displaced people who apparently did move from time to time.

Here's a archeological problem that you can't solve with moving campsites. Where are the graves?

According to the Genesis story, a large number of people lived in the Sinai for 40 years and the number who exited was almost the same as the number who entered. Since 40 years is a typical lifespan there should have been a similar number of deaths in 40 years to maintain the population balanced by an equal number of births. Where are the graves or evidence of cremations for 200,000 to 2,000,000 people in a short time period at the end of the Bronze Age?

What sense in moving about ? They knew
thete was no place to go. Food drops every day.

Just stay where theres water..

 

[sjastro]

Your statement about their being no archeological evidence of any campsites being the reason for the exodus never happening is pretty thin, etc, because they were nomads who moved daily and never set up a permanent camp ever anywhere, and who also took everything with them when they did move, which was daily, etc. Anyway, that evidence or line of reasoning for disproving the exodus is pretty thin, etc.

I suggest you look the archaeological map of the Sinai Peninsula in post #561.
The nomadic people populations nowhere near the numbers for Exodus left their human remains and tools which formed the archaeological sites of the region.
If Exodus is a historical account, it is extraordinary that up to 2 million individuals roaming the Sinai for forty years left no trace of their existence in the upper archaeological layers, while considerably older Neolithic and Palaeolithic sites found in lower layers and therefore harder to find are quite abundant.

There is also the archaeology of Egypt to consider, a sudden loss of 2 million individuals representing a loss of up to 2/3 of Egypt’s population would have been an economic catastrophe, yet Exodus occurred around the time of Egypt’s early New Kingdom when it was at its most prosperous.

And as for back to your comments about dueteronomy, about rape, etc. The woman who would not cry out, or who would not at all try to resist a rape, etc, was not the kind of woman you would want thriving or flourishing in any kind of country or society where you were trying to eliminate sin from it, so that was the reason for that, etc, and for killing the man who lied with her as well, etc. It was decided that those two types, must not be allowed to live, etc.

And as for the virgin, back then, God thought it more important that she be able to live, and be taken care of at least, rather than what her state would be if the man didn't marry her, etc, and this was what was more important to God back then, etc. It was a controversial decision to be sure, but it was deemed as what was more important for a woman who was virgin that experienced that back then, rather than what the alternative would be for her back then, etc.

And I'm betting you disagree, or may ask why the man wasn't just killed, etc, but God was always making certain temporary provisions for the wickedness that was within man back then, etc, and for the Patriarchtical rule, or patriarchtical ways of still primitive societies back then, etc.

But, you can keep going on thinking your morality would have been superior back then, without at all understanding what God the Spirit was trying to do or make happen back then, and we will see who falls where in the end, ok.

God Bless.

Your response does take the victim’s perspective into account.
Is this because you think it was satisfactory back in the day when women were the property of men and had no rights under Biblical law?
Did it ever occur to you a woman who did not cry out during rape may have been paralyzed with fear or the thought any form of resistance may have led to her death, yet according to Biblical law she was a willing participant or asking for it and should therefore die along with the rapist.
If the rape victim was a virgin, why do you think a traumatized victim would be better off married to the rapist in some sort of business transaction between the father and the rapist?

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven’t thought this out.

 

[Neogaia777]

The Israelites weren't a nomdic tribe when in the desert, they were a displaced people who apparently did move from time to time.

Here's a archeological problem that you can't solve with moving campsites. Where are the graves?

According to the Genesis story, a large number of people lived in the Sinai for 40 years and the number who exited was almost the same as the number who entered. Since 40 years is a typical lifespan there should have been a similar number of deaths in 40 years to maintain the population balanced by an equal number of births. Where are the graves or evidence of cremations for 200,000 to 2,000,000 people in a short time period at the end of the Bronze Age?

You are correct, it wasn't necessarily daily always, but they moved when God commanded them to (to follow the pilar) and stopped when and where it told them to. How often this happened or occurred always is up for debate, etc. But they didn't need fire, and firewood would have been very difficult to gather, and find, etc.

As for the graves, I doubt there were mass ones, and maybe there is just very little evidence left, or they are just very hard to find, after this long a period of time, etc.

I'll try to do some more research on it, and let you know what I find, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You are correct, it wasn't necessarily daily always, but they moved when God commanded them to (to follow the pilar) and stopped when and where it told them to. How often this happened or occurred always is up for debate, etc. But they didn't need fire, and firewood would have been very difficult to gather, and find, etc.

As for the graves, I doubt there were mass ones, and maybe there is just very little evidence left, or they are just very hard to find, after this long a period of time, etc.

I'll try to do some more research on it, and let you know what I find, ok.

God Bless.

Bodies preserve very well in the desert, even for simple burial. There is no evidence of hundreds of thousands of Israelite graves, even if only 1% remain.

 

[Neogaia777]

I suggest you look the archaeological map of the Sinai Peninsula in post #561.
The nomadic people populations nowhere near the numbers for Exodus left their human remains and tools which formed the archaeological sites of the region.
If Exodus is a historical account, it is extraordinary that up to 2 million individuals roaming the Sinai for forty years left no trace of their existence in the upper archaeological layers, while considerably older Neolithic and Palaeolithic sites found in lower layers and therefore harder to find are quite abundant.

There is also the archaeology of Egypt to consider, a sudden loss of 2 million individuals representing a loss of up to 2/3 of Egypt’s population would have been an economic catastrophe, yet Exodus occurred around the time of Egypt’s early New Kingdom when it was at its most prosperous.

I'll do more research, and let you know what I find, k.

Your response does take the victim’s perspective into account.

I think you meant "doesn't", but I'll take it either way, etc.

Is this because you think it was satisfactory back in the day when women were the property of men and had no rights under Biblical law?

The world was mostly Patriarchtical, and ruled mostly by men back then, etc.

Did it ever occur to you a woman who did not cry out during rape may have been paralyzed with fear or the thought any form of resistance may have led to her death, yet according to Biblical law she was a willing participant or asking for it and should therefore die along with the rapist.

I addressed this in posts #564, 566, and 568, etc.

If the rape victim was a virgin, why do you think a traumatized victim would be better off married to the rapist in some sort of business transaction between the father and the rapist?

I addressed this in posts #566, and 568, etc.

To God, it wasn't about any kind of business transaction, but what the woman's fate would have been otherwise back then, because it was the reality back then, etc. You and I don't have to like it, and I think it's very clear that you and I don't like it, but it was the reality back then, etc, that the women were also very much deathly afraid of back then maybe even more than rape, etc.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven’t thought this out.

I'll put some more into it, especially the Exodus bit, and get back to you with what I get, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Bodies preserve very well in the desert, even for simple burial. There is no evidence of hundreds of thousands of Israelite graves, even if only 1% remain.

I'll have to do more research on the whole exodus bit, and get back to you all on that, k.

Could be a few days though, so give me some time, ok.

And I promise to try and do it honestly, ok.

And come up with a list of probabilities/possibilities if there is no for sure answer either way, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Since I am going to be doing some researching regarding the exodus, is there anything else you think I should research or look into besides what might come up surrounding what might have happened to all the bodies that hasn't already been addressed?

Much thanks.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I think these ones did daily, but no, not all of them do, etc.

Their exact layout and itinerary is the book of Numbers.

And still academia can't find anything.

And I don't blame them for not finding anything.

The Amalekites probably took everything that wasn't nailed down.

It's academia's CONCLUSION that irks me.

 

[Neogaia777]

Their exact layout and itinerary is the book of Numbers.

And still academia can't find anything.

And I don't blame them for not finding anything.

The Amalekites probably took everything that wasn't nailed down.

It's academia's CONCLUSION that irks me.

I feel inclined to look into it more now, etc, but it could take a few days, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Any archaeologist / geologist who went out to search for flood- sign (or for chariot wheels in the Red Sea) would return
empty handed as many times as he set forth.

What's this then?

And for the record, how is finding chariot wheels in the Red Sea going to point to God parting the waters?

Academians will probably claim that wheel was just some drunkard returning home late at night.

Lost his way and ended up driving into the sea.

Happens all the time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, people do archaeology in Sinai.

Are there any areas off-limits to them?

Or are they welcome to just traipse around at their own discretion and dig up people's property?

If you took the total area of the Sinai Peninsula (23,166 mi²), how much has actually been invaded researched?

 

[AV1611VET]

Same for exodus sign. If you can find some, terrif

What's the difference between an "Exodus sign," and evidence that some people visited their neighbors next door?

I submit archaeologists have no clue what to look for, re the Exodus as it happened.

And that, of course, is because it was a miracle, orchestrated by God.

And that means, of course, science can take a hike.

A long one on a short pier.

Archaeologists need to quit telling us they looked for evidence of the Exodus, when in fact they don't even know what to look for.

 

[AV1611VET]

I feel inclined to look into it more now, etc, but it could take a few days, etc.

Do you honestly think there's evidence of the Exodus lying all around the peninsula, waiting to be discovered?

 

[sjastro]

Since I am going to be doing some researching regarding the exodus, is there anything else you think I should research or look into besides what might come up surrounding what might have happened to all the bodies that hasn't already been addressed?

Much thanks.

God Bless.

The other point I should have mentioned in nomadic societies animal herding is prevalent.
Along with human remains and artefacts the Israelites would have left, where are the remains of the horses, cattle, camels, sheep and goats which should have existed in even larger numbers.

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you honestly think there's evidence of the Exodus lying all around the peninsula, waiting to be discovered?

I think there are a lot of possibilities, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's a archeological problem that you can't solve with moving campsites. Where are the graves?

I'll tell you what.

Let me come over to your house and die on your front lawn.

And you tell me what you'd do?

Leave me there on your property?

Or have me removed?

Do you realize the Amalekites tried everything they could to get Israel off their property?

They probably ground their bones up for animal feed or something.

Who knows?

 

[Neogaia777]

The other point I should have mentioned in nomadic societies animal herding is prevalent.
Along with human remains and artefacts the Israelites would have left, where are the remains of the horses, cattle, camels, sheep and goats which should have existed in even larger numbers.

I will look into that as well, but, they were being fed by mana in the wilderness though, and there is no indication that they had anything else to eat (no meat, etc) except for when they got the quail, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bodies preserve very well in the desert, even for simple burial. There is no evidence of hundreds of thousands of Israelite graves, even if only 1% remain.

Were the Amalekites found? the Kenites? others?