Year 2038: The Return of the King?

[Butch5]

Sorry, that's goobledeegook. What does the verse actually mean? How come it's always been translated incorrectly?

That what the Greek text means my friend. How come it gets translated as it does? It's because of translator bias. Translators translate based on how they understand the Scriptures. Why do you think Almost every English translation uses "called" in Romans 8:29 when "invited" is just as valid a translation? It's probably because most of the original English translations were Reformed and the idea of using the word "invited" in that passage would be anathema to a Calvinist.

However, a literal translation of Jesus words has it as I stated. Here is how Young's Literal translation has it.

YLT Matthew 24:36 'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only; (Mat 24:36 YLT)


"Hath known" is the proper way to translate "Oiden" in the perfect tense.

 

[florida2]

That what the Greek text means my friend. How come it gets translated as it does? It's because of translator bias. Translators translate based on how they understand the Scriptures. Why do you think Almost every English translation uses "called" in Romans 8:29 when "invited" is just as valid a translation? It's probably because most of the original English translations were Reformed and the idea of using the word "invited" in that passage would be anathema to a Calvinist.

However, a literal translation of Jesus words has it as I stated. Here is how Young's Literal translation has it.

YLT Matthew 24:36 'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only; (Mat 24:36 YLT)


"Hath known" is the proper way to translate "Oiden" in the perfect tense.

So you're saying my Bible is incorrect? People like yourself who think you can predict the future try and take some verses literally and some way out of context, but to do so you have to believe that the Bible is incorrect.

So the Bible I have isn't Divinely inspired, but is just the work of biased men?

 

[Butch5]

So you're saying my Bible is incorrect? People like yourself who think you can predict the future try and take some verses literally and some way out of context, but to do so you have to believe that the Bible is incorrect.

So the Bible I have isn't Divinely inspired, but is just the work of biased men?

Well, I never said I was trying to predict the future. You can look at the evidence in Scripture or you can reject it, that decision is up to you.

However, If you think your English translation is inspired why don't many of the New Testament quotes from the from the apostles match the Old Testament where they were taken from?

New Testament
Hebrews 1:6 ( KJV ) 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Deuteronomy 32:43

Masoretic text
Deuteronomy 32:43 ( KJV ) 43Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Where are the words, "And let all the angels of God worship him"?

Paul quotes the OT here, the English translation doesn't match what Paul said, who is wrong, Paul or the English translation?

1 Peter 4:18 ( KJV ) 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Peter quotes Proverbs 11:31

Proverbs 11:31 ( KJV ) 31Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Peter quoted Proverbs 11:31. The English translation doesn't match what Peter said, who's wrong, Peter or the English translation?

I could post many more, the point is that translations are not inspired. If you want to be certain you'll have to do the research .

 

[pgp_protector]

Ya might want to inform this guy, he's saying it's next month.
The Church of God - Preparing for the Kingdom of God

 

[ViaCrucis]

Well, I never said I was trying to predict the future. You can look at the evidence in Scripture or you can reject it, that decision is up to you.

However, If you think your English translation is inspired why don't many of the New Testament quotes from the from the apostles match the Old Testament where they were taken from?

New Testament
Hebrews 1:6 ( KJV ) 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Deuteronomy 32:43

Masoretic text
Deuteronomy 32:43 ( KJV ) 43Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Where are the words, "And let all the angels of God worship him"?

Paul quotes the OT here, the English translation doesn't match what Paul said, who is wrong, Paul or the English translation?

1 Peter 4:18 ( KJV ) 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Peter quotes Proverbs 11:31

Proverbs 11:31 ( KJV ) 31Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Peter quoted Proverbs 11:31. The English translation doesn't match what Peter said, who's wrong, Peter or the English translation?

I could post many more, the point is that translations are not inspired. If you want to be certain you'll have to do the research .

The New Testament authors relied on the Greek text. Deuteronomy 32:43 in the LXX is

εὐφράνθητε οὐρανοί ἅμα αὐτῷ καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες υἱοὶ θεοῦ εὐφράνθητε ἔθνη μετὰ τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐνισχυσάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ ὅτι τὸ αἷμα τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ἐκδικᾶται καὶ ἐκδικήσει καὶ ἀνταποδώσει δίκην τοῖς ἐχθροῖς καὶ τοῖς μισοῦσιν ἀνταποδώσει καὶ ἐκκαθαριεῖ κύριος τὴν γῆν τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ

"Be glad, O heavens, together with him! And do obeisance to him, all angels of God! Be glad, O nations, with his people! And grow in strength in him all, O sons of God! For the blood of his sons he shall avenge, and he shall avenge and recompense punishment to the enemies. And to the ones detesting him he will recompense, and the Lord shall clear out the land for his people."

The author of Hebrews was referencing the Greek of the LXX, not the Hebrew of the later MT.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Charles Spurgeon]

Butch5, out of curiosity (I skimmed through roman numeral "III" under that link you posted for the 120 Jubilees....), anyways, out of curiosity, how sure do you think this interpretation is... and especially of your guesstimate of 2036.... are you sure? Taking into account the differences between the calendar we have and the one the Israelites had, etc....

This piques my curiosity though, because if 2036 would be the year the Lord returns, then it makes me even more curiouser about the supposed asteroid of 2029 that might hit earth.... which would align with Revelation and that meteor/asteroid that hits the earth.... what do you think? I know I've read somewhere about something that might come very close to earth in 2029... and wonder if this is it....

 

[Butch5]

Butch5, out of curiosity (I skimmed through roman numeral "III" under that link you posted for the 120 Jubilees....), anyways, out of curiosity, how sure do you think this interpretation is... and especially of your guesstimate of 2036.... are you sure? Taking into account the differences between the calendar we have and the one the Israelites had, etc....

This piques my curiosity though, because if 2036 would be the year the Lord returns, then it makes me even more curiouser about the supposed asteroid of 2029 that might hit earth.... which would align with Revelation and that meteor/asteroid that hits the earth.... what do you think? I know I've read somewhere about something that might come very close to earth in 2029... and wonder if this is it....

Hi Charles,

I'd have to look at Roman numeral number 3 as I'm not have read that one yet. Have you listened to the audios. I listened to them several times and it seems to make sense. This pastor goes into pretty good detail and the prophecies do seem to confirm one another. He uses different prophecies to confirm the time. He says the Biblical calendar which is the Jubilee calendar is accurate from the Scriptures. The problem arises when we try to connect the Jubilee calendar to the Roman calender. The 2036 date is based on an assumption that the Roman dates for the crucifixion are correct. If Christ was crucified on AD 30 then the 6000 years should be up in 2036. Again, this assumes the Romans dates are correct and we cannot be absolutely certain that they are.

It is interesting that you mention the asteroid as that is one of the external evidences I see. According to what I've read scientist expect that asteroid apply named the death star to pass by the earth in 2029 (Which if the Romans dates are correct would be the start of the tribulation) and be moved by the earths gravitational pull putting it on a collision course with earth on it's return trip 7 years later. There is also other eternal evidences but they are circumstantial and could just be coincidence.

I am not real familiar with all of this yet so I may not be able to answer some questions. I've been following this pastor for several years and am quite familiar with his teachings and he has been very sound so far in his teaching. That is one of the reasons I've posted the link. If it was from someone else I wouldn't have posted it.

Again, let me say that this assumes the Roman dates for the crucifixion are correct. Let me suggest the audios as they go into much more detail.

 

[Butch5]

The New Testament authors relied on the Greek text. Deuteronomy 32:43 in the LXX is

εὐφράνθητε οὐρανοί ἅμα αὐτῷ καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες υἱοὶ θεοῦ εὐφράνθητε ἔθνη μετὰ τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐνισχυσάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ ὅτι τὸ αἷμα τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ἐκδικᾶται καὶ ἐκδικήσει καὶ ἀνταποδώσει δίκην τοῖς ἐχθροῖς καὶ τοῖς μισοῦσιν ἀνταποδώσει καὶ ἐκκαθαριεῖ κύριος τὴν γῆν τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ

"Be glad, O heavens, together with him! And do obeisance to him, all angels of God! Be glad, O nations, with his people! And grow in strength in him all, O sons of God! For the blood of his sons he shall avenge, and he shall avenge and recompense punishment to the enemies. And to the ones detesting him he will recompense, and the Lord shall clear out the land for his people."

The author of Hebrews was referencing the Greek of the LXX, not the Hebrew of the later MT.

-CryptoLutheran

Thanks, I was getting to that point. I was trying to show that the English translations are not without error. A statement was made to the effect 'my Bible is wrong?' So, I was showing that the Eglish translations are not perfect. But, thanks again.

 

[Charles Spurgeon]

Butch,

I wonder if I'm missing something on the calendar dates... I just looked at what they consider to be the current Jewish year, and its 5772..., it won't be until like the year 2240 in our calendar that it'll be year 6000 in the hebrew calendar... unless if the current hebrew calendar is off...

 

[Butch5]

Butch,

I wonder if I'm missing something on the calendar dates... I just looked at what they consider to be the current Jewish year, and its 5772..., it won't be until like the year 2240 in our calendar that it'll be year 6000 in the hebrew calendar... unless if the current hebrew calendar is off...

Hi Charles,

He's not going by the Hebrew Calendar. What he has proposed is that the Jubilee calendar that God gave to Israel in Leviticus 25 is actually God's calendar that He had been keeping since creation. His premise is that God started the Jubilee calendar at creation and has been keeping it ever since. If we accept this many major events in the Scriptures fall on Jubilee years. The Jubilee was a year of release. According to the calendar, the Exodus was in the year 2500 from creation, it was the 50th Jubilee, a sort of Jubilee of Jubilees. Abraham and Isaac were born on a Jubilee, Noah died on a Jubilee, the 70 years of captivity in Babylon ended on the 70 Jubilee.

According to his numbers Christ died in the year 3993 from creation. That would leave 2007 years to complete the 6000. If Christ was crucified in Ad 30, 2000 years would make it the year 2030. Due to the differences in the calendars it is actually 2029. That leaves the 7 years for the Tribulation which would be 2036.

But again, this assumes the Roman date of the crucifixion AD 30 is correct. If it's not correct, it should be close.

 

[Charles Spurgeon]

Hi Charles,

He's not going by the Hebrew Calendar. What he has proposed is that the Jubilee calendar that God gave to Israel in Leviticus 25 is actually God's calendar that He had been keeping since creation. His premise is that God started the Jubilee calendar at creation and has been keeping it ever since. If we accept this many major events in the Scriptures fall on Jubilee years. The Jubilee was a year of release. According to the calendar, the Exodus was in the year 2500 from creation, it was the 50th Jubilee, a sort of Jubilee of Jubilees. Abraham and Isaac were born on a Jubilee, Noah died on a Jubilee, the 70 years of captivity in Babylon ended on the 70 Jubilee.

According to his numbers Christ died in the year 3993 from creation. That would leave 2007 years to complete the 6000. If Christ was crucified in Ad 30, 2000 years would make it the year 2030. Due to the differences in the calendars it is actually 2029. That leaves the 7 years for the Tribulation which would be 2036.

But again, this assumes the Roman date of the crucifixion AD 30 is correct. If it's not correct, it should be close.

Interesting....

 

[Achilles6129]

His premise is that God started the Jubilee calendar at creation and has been keeping it ever since.

I do not agree with his date for creation and therefore that would throw off the entire Jubilee calendar.

But again, this assumes the Roman date of the crucifixion AD 30 is correct. If it's not correct, it should be close.

I think the evidence is certain that Christ died on April 3, 33 AD. See my thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7636161/

Regardless, our dates are still very close. I do believe that Christ will return at the end of December in 2038, when Jupiter/Regulus are in conjunction with Leo (for reasons I've already stated).

I also do not agree with Newton's methods of obtaining his date in the year 2060. Here are his methods:

Statement on the date 2060

Newton, like many historicist prophetic commentators of his age, believed that the prophetic time periods 1260, 1290, 1335 and 2300 days actually represent 1260, 1290, 1335 and 2300 years using the "day-for-a-year principle".
For Newton these time periods (especially the 1260 years) represent the time span of the apostasy of the Church (for Newton this means the Trinitarian Church, chiefly the Catholics). Thus, he looked in history for the likely date when the apostasy formally began (one sign of this for him was the date when the papal church obtained temporal power). From there it was a simple matter of adding the time period to the beginning date.

I believe that the answer is much simpler - Christ will return at the end of December of some year (shown by Rev. 11). From there, we need only determine what year it is (and this is where the assumption begins). We have to assume that the sign of Christ's first coming will be the sign of Christ's second coming. If, in fact, this is true, then it is highly probable that Christ will return on December 26, 27, or 28 of 2038.

 

[florida2]

Why is this thread any different from the dozens and dozens of others which have confidently predicted when Jesus will return or when great catastrophes will occur, yet all have been wrong.

Why is this any different from all the other false prophets?

 

[Butch5]

Why is this thread any different from the dozens and dozens of others which have confidently predicted when Jesus will return or when great catastrophes will occur, yet all have been wrong.

Why is this any different from all the other false prophets?

We're not prophesying, just trying to figure it out.

 

[Butch5]

I do not agree with his date for creation and therefore that would throw off the entire Jubilee calendar.



I think the evidence is certain that Christ died on April 3, 33 AD. See my thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7636161/

Regardless, our dates are still very close. I do believe that Christ will return at the end of December in 2038, when Jupiter/Regulus are in conjunction with Leo (for reasons I've already stated).

I also do not agree with Newton's methods of obtaining his date in the year 2060. Here are his methods:

Statement on the date 2060



I believe that the answer is much simpler - Christ will return at the end of December of some year (shown by Rev. 11). From there, we need only determine what year it is (and this is where the assumption begins). We have to assume that the sign of Christ's first coming will be the sign of Christ's second coming. If, in fact, this is true, then it is highly probable that Christ will return on December 26, 27, or 28 of 2038.

Let me ask you a few questions.

Why do you disagree with his date?

It seems to me that you don't think the sign of Christ's second coming is 'As lightening flashes from the east to the west so shall the coming of the Son be', is that correct? If not what do you believe the sgin is?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Let me ask you a few questions.

Why do you disagree with his date?

It seems to me that you don't think the sign of Christ's second coming is 'As lightening flashes from the east to the west so shall the coming of the Son be', is that correct? If not what do you believe the sgin is?

Best to ask the Jews, since Jesus spoke about those signs to them

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Matt 24:3....and what? the Sign...
Mark 13:4...and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7....and what? the Sign....

Revelation 12:1 And a great Sign was seen in the Heaven.............
3 And was seen another Sign in the Heaven, and Behold! A great fiery red Dragon having seven heads, and ten horns, and upon the heads of him seven diadems.

Reve 15:1 And I saw another Sign in the heaven, great and marvelous,......


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[NGC 6712]

Why is this thread any different from the dozens and dozens of others which have confidently predicted when Jesus will return or when great catastrophes will occur, yet all have been wrong.

Why is this any different from all the other false prophets?

It's not any different - it's all the usual hogwash.

 

[florida2]

We're not prophesying, just trying to figure it out.

Um, yes you are. You're trying to put precise dates on when Jesus will return. I think that falls into the definition of prophesying.

Again, why is this any different to the hundreds of others who have claimed to have irrefutable proof of when it will happen?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by florida2 Why is this thread any different from the dozens and dozens of others which have confidently predicted when Jesus will return or when great catastrophes will occur, yet all have been wrong.

Why is this any different from all the other false prophets?

It's not any different - it's all the usual hogwash.

One person's hogwash is another person's truth.....

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[pgp_protector]

One person's hogwash is another person's truth.....

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but is a "persons truth" actually True & Correct?