Ye Olde Libertarian Pub

[Cute Tink]

I am also a libertarian in general. I won't adhere to the party because I may disagree with them on some issues. However, I am registered as a republican so I can vote in the primaries. In addition, the Libertarian party is incredibly unorganized in my state and stands no chance of being a third party alternative.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I am also a libertarian in general. I won't adhere to the party because I may disagree with them on some issues. However, I am registered as a republican so I can vote in the primaries. In addition, the Libertarian party is incredibly unorganized in my state and stands no chance of being a third party alternative.

My husband believes as you do. We're registered republicans but we probably vote more libertarian than anything.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Merry Christmas...may it be blessed!

 

[variant]

If the Libertarian Party wants to come on the national level as a serious competitor to the 2 party system, I would recommend dropping the open border policy. Libertarians are special because their social liberalism is more of a "live-and-let-live" brand of liberalism, not the collectivist/facist brand that Democrats peddle. However, the open border stance is where I, and many other small 'l' libertarians break with the party. The majority of Americans, including many legal hispanics, want secure borders. The idea of letting illegals flood into the country goes completely against the libertarian principles of responsibility and self-reliance. The whole reason we have an illegal immigration problem to begin with is the welfare state. It is an outgrowth of America's parasite-enabling economic policies. The LP has to come to terms with this if it wants to be a serious contender.

Illegals flooding the country isn't an issue if you greatly expand legal immigration (which is what you are criticizing).

Without a massive social welfare state, people coming in to pay taxes and participate in our society is not really an issue at all. In fact this country has benefited greatly by being a land where hard working people could go to make it, and we are pretty much all immigrants here excluding native Americans.

Why do you think you are entitled to more rights than people who were born in other countries who want to come here to work? Does this country have a duty to make sure you don't have to compete with Mexicans for legitimate employment? The main problem of illegal immigration is that it causes people from other countries to be forced into a black labor market, with no regulation or protection, that no American can compete with.

You and many others need to realize that you DO compete with people in third world countries all the time for jobs, whether you like it or not, and having people come here to work would make America more competitive.

 

[MacFall]

*Barges into pub*

HEEEEY guys what's up. Any Rothbardian libertarians up in here?

 

[Jew-Man]

^^^I have no clue who he is. I'll research him.
Me, I'm a Ron Paul libertarian.

 

[Flashlight]

Went to Porcfest this weekend. That was a great time.

 

[MacFall]

Went to Porcfest this weekend. That was a great time.

Was Momma Ally there?

Or did she go to the alt expo or whatever it was the Agorists did?... I forget.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

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Gotcha, sign me up. Consider yourself honored, it's only the second time i've ever enlisted in anything.

Party member since 1988, voted for Ron Paul before it was fashionable.

 

[MacFall]

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Hm, didn't see that before. What if I identify with libertarian principles but not the Libertarian Party?

 

[Cute Tink]

Hm, didn't see that before. What if I identify with libertarian principles but not the Libertarian Party?

Then you are probably like me. I'm not sure I can really throw my name in with the party really, but they agree with me on most things.

 

[IntolerantSociopath]

Hello, everyone. I'm basically libertarian in the American sense, but I don't call myself that for the same reason some libertarians don't call themselves anarchists: it's full of crazies, cranks and poseurs. I can't stand the Libertarian Party, or the tea party, or any of this policy-wonking that goes on at the Cato Institute. I guess I would be closest to the people at the Mises institute.

 

[MacFall]

I guess I would be closest to the people at the Mises institute.

That would make you an "Austro-libertarian".

I usually don't like political labels either, but with some qualification they can work. For example I can say "I'm a libertarian in the Rothbard-Konkin tradition", and right of the bat it distinguishes me from the "cranks and poseurs" (though I don't know about the crazies, since Rothbard and Konkin were market anarchists, and so obviously they had to be crazy).

But seriously though, it also avoids all the paranoid and ignorant assumptions that people would make if I simply called myself a market anarchist.

 

[IntolerantSociopath]

That would make you an "Austro-libertarian".

I don't like that term. Economics is a value-free, there is nothing 'libertarian' about 'Austrian' economics; it's just valid economic science.

 

[MacFall]

All it means is that one is ethically libertarian and economically Austrian. It doesn't suggest that the two should be conflated. But weren't you referring to your economic beliefs when you mentioned the Mises Institute?

 

[IntolerantSociopath]

I'd say I'm much more economically Austrian than ethically libertarian. I certainly don't buy into natural rights or any of that.

 

[MacFall]

Do you have an ethical system?

 

[IntolerantSociopath]

Do you have an ethical system?

I operate according to an ethos and I recognize some kinds of virtu (efficacy) but I don't actually believe there are objective categories of right or wrong.

 

[MacFall]

In any sense at all, or just in normative terms?

 

[IntolerantSociopath]

In any sense at all, or just in normative terms?

Well, there are things that are true or false, but 'morality' is sociobiology, not philosophy.