Yarmulke

[mjterry87]

Do messianics wear a Yarmulke? I know the meaning of it, and for those of you who dont try this http://jewfaq.org/signs.htm. Just wondering.

 

[The Thadman]

Do messianics wear a Yarmulke? I know the meaning of it, and for those of you who dont try this http://jewfaq.org/signs.htm. Just wondering.

I, for one, don't, where others here do and don't

I don't have any problem with those who do, although I would have a problem with the view that wearing a kippah is required, as although it is -based- off of "Bibilical Principles" (from various passages) it is not found anywhere in the Torah as a commandment.

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[simchat_torah]

I don't think I've ever been to a Jewish synagogue where the congregants look down upon someone who is not wearing a kippah, let alone a messianic one.

 

[P_G]

I do not wear a Kippot unless I am at a synagouge that would require one to wear it.

I do not wear the kippot because I feel that should be reserved for those
who were born Jewish. It is not commanded by scripture to wear one and
as such becomes something I think that truely indentifies a person as born into
the house of Y'sreal not grafted in.

But thats just an opinion on my part
Your milage may vary

Pastor George

 

[mjterry87]

I feel that it should be worn on Sabbath, in the Synagogue, and on the Holidays. Besides that it should be up to you. To me a Yamulke represents your faith in HaShem, now I don't think that just because you don't wear one means that you don't have faith in HaShem, you just don't want to wear it.

 

[simchat_torah]

I do not wear the kippot because I feel that should be reserved for those
who were born Jewish.

I find it interesting that many messianic believers feel this way. You see, in Judaism it is considered offensive if a Gentile wears Tzitzit (or Tallit), and a Gentile is almost expected to wear a kippah (though no Jew would judge anyone for not wearing one) as a sign of respect when in the synagogue. Yet, in messianic judaism the feeling is almost the opposite.

 

[The Thadman]

I find it interesting that many messianic believers feel this way. You see, in Judaism it is considered offensive if a Gentile wears Tzitzit (or Tallit), and a Gentile is almost expected to wear a kippah (though no Jew would judge anyone for not wearing one) as a sign of respect when in the synagogue. Yet, in messianic judaism the feeling is almost the opposite.

Chalk it up as another "opposite" to the mainstream!

We're already weird enough. Torah AND Messiah anyone? Heaven forbid!

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[simchat_torah]

Chalk it up as another "opposite" to the mainstream!

We're already weird enough. Torah AND Messiah anyone? Heaven forbid!

lol.. yeah...

I'm not making a judgement on anyone fyi... just making an observation. If a Gentile walks into a synagogue with tzitzit on this would be quite offensive to a Jew. In fact, its offensive to a Jew to see a non-observant Jew wearing tzitzit as this is quite a declaration of faith. To wear Tzitzit means you are 100% Torah observant (which to the Jewish mind is silly to see a Gentile observing torah ). It is also considered a sign of respect for a Gentile to wear a kippah in the temple/synagogue.

Me? I consider wearing the tzitzit a part of Torah observance itself. I do somewhat see it as the 'icing on the cake' so to speak, somewhat like the period at the end of a sentace for Torah observance. A kippah, as Thadman pointed out, is not so clearly defined in the Torah, but certainly is hinted at quite strongly in various passages. Because of this I certainly am not offended by those who choose not to wear one. I merely would encourage one to wear one when entering a Jewish synagogue for the sake of offense.

Well, nuff of my ramblings.
-yafet

 

[Katydid]

You all keep saying that a kippah is eluded to in scriptures, though never commanded. Can someone show me the passages that elude to it?

 

[simchat_torah]

You might find this article of use.


shalom,
yafet

 

[P_G]

You know Yaffet I don't think I would wear my tallit to a non messianic Synagouge. I know that the people would find it very offensive. Mind you with that messianic symbol on it I think that would just push them over the edge.

But I would wear kippot out of respect. I think part of positive witness is to not offend people before you get the message out.

Though I did show it to my friend Jersey Jeff on Friday (he had brought me a nice onion kuggle and a new Artscroll Siddur as a gift)
5 years I have been loving on this man and his family. And you know the door stays open.

Blessings

PG

 

[simchat_torah]

Mind you with that messianic symbol on it I think that would just push them over the edge.

ROFLOL... yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't go over too well

 

[Higher Truth]

Simchat said:

You might find this article of use.

HT:

Sorry, but Ed Nydle is another non-Jew trying to instruct people in the ways of the Jews. He is from Marshall Koniuchowsky's YATI group. Check his bio and see. His writings have no authority in my opinion.

 

[Higher Truth]

quote:


"By Rabbi Edward Levi Nydle"

HT:

It amazes me how many non-Jews are adding Hebrew names to their given non-Jewish names these days. It seems like everyone is getting on the Levitic bandwagon. Michael Rood, Norman Willis, Ed Nydle, and many more. This is nothing more than another stumbling block to people of real Jewish heritage. The fact that he uses Levi is a personal insult to me in regards to the names of my ancestors.

 

[iitb]

All of the off-topic stuff has been removed from this thread. If it goes down the path it went down again, I'll close it.

 

[MalkyEL]

HT wrote:

Sorry, but Ed Nydle is another non-Jew trying to instruct people in the ways of the Jews. He is from Marshall Koniuchowsky's YATI group. Check his bio and see. His writings have no authority in my opinion.
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Here is the link, thought it was worth the look:

http://www.uonyc.org/page.php?page=nydle_bio

 

[Henaynei]

HT wrote:

Sorry, but Ed Nydle is another non-Jew trying to instruct people in the ways of the Jews. He is from Marshall Koniuchowsky's YATI group. Check his bio and see. His writings have no authority in my opinion.
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Here is the link, thought it was worth the look:

http://www.uonyc.org/page.php?page=nydle_bio

OIY - I'd have to agree with HT after reading that site

 

[simchat_torah]

The only things that somewhat bothers me in that bio is the Two House garbage and using the title "Rabbi" (though some attempt to argue this merely denotes 'teacher' -- I strongly disagree). However, I respect his honesty in stating his past. Many messianic 'leaders' will try to deceive who they are. Most who are in the messianic movement, no matter how mature, have come through a very 'messy' time in their theology (thus my prolific use of the term messy-anic ).


As far as who this man is... I've never cared. The one and only thing I know about him is the article I've linked. That single article is well written, and scholastic in nature. Other than that, I have never even heard of the man. *shrug*

To me, its purely typical messy-anic judaism.

I could have posted any article from any messy-anic leader and I doubt I would have cared any more or less as long as the article shared well rounded truth, etc. I'm pretty much wholly removed from the whole movement at this point and it no longer matters to me *shrug*
No matter how 'mature' the messianic leaders are that I come across, most are still rather 'messy', plain and simple.


shalom,
yafet

 

[rooster]

Just a quick question.
Does adherence to "two house" mean that they believe the Isreal of Jacob's line and Gentile believers are the "new" isreal?

 

[shmuel]

I believe that two house theology (at least one version) goes something like this. Persons known today as Jews are from the nation of Judah (after the split in the United Kingdom following the death of Solomon) while so called gentile believers are from the 10 northern tribes of the nation of Israel. Since these believers are in fact part of the whole house of Israel that received Torah at Sinai then they are to keep Torah. Essentially it is a variation on British/Anglo Israelism that teachs that the various nations of Europe are descended from the ten "lost" tribes of Israel. Since much of the US population is European that makes US part of the lost tribes.

S