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[CherubRam]

This page agrees with my assertion. Re-read it.

Scroll down mid ways and look again. Biblical Hebrew - Wikipedia

 

[SteveCaruso]

Scroll down mid ways and look again. Biblical Hebrew - Wikipedia

"Tiberian, Babylonian, and Palestinian Hebrew" lists more than 4 vowels. The footnotes, and links to the respective vocalizations (Tiberian, Babylonian, Palestinian) agree with me completely.

 

[CherubRam]

Samaritan Hebrew has full vowels when the other traditions have reduced vowels, but these do not always correlate with their Proto-Hebrew ancestors

 

[SteveCaruso]

Samaritan Hebrew has full vowels when the other traditions have reduced vowels, but these do not always correlate with their Proto-Hebrew ancestors

Where did I mention Samaritan Hebrew?

 

[CherubRam]

"Tiberian, Babylonian, and Palestinian Hebrew" lists more than 4 vowels. The footnotes, and links to the respective vocalizations (Tiberian, Babylonian, Palestinian) agree with me completely.

Samaritan Hebrew has full vowels when the other traditions have reduced vowels, but these do not always correlate with their Proto-Hebrew ancestors

 

[SteveCaruso]

Samaritan Hebrew has full vowels when the other traditions have reduced vowels, but these do not always correlate with their Proto-Hebrew ancestors

You are mis-reading the intention of the author here.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Go to this page: Tiberian vocalization - Wikipedia

Count the vowels.

 

[CherubRam]

"Tiberian, Babylonian, and Palestinian Hebrew" lists more than 4 vowels. The footnotes, and links to the respective vocalizations (Tiberian, Babylonian, Palestinian) agree with me completely.

Above the chart it says:

The following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:

 

[CherubRam]

Go to this page: Tiberian vocalization - Wikipedia

Count the vowels.

Your so funny. That is modern Hebrew, that is why there is an e vowel.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Above the chart it says:

The following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:

First: Describe to me what a vowel reflex is. Second: Then explain to me why – logically – this does not express a comprehensive inventory of the vowels present in the language.

Your [sic] so funny. That is modern Hebrew, that is why there is an e vowel.

No, that's the Tiberian vocalization. Your list only provides 4 of the 11 vowels realized in the dialect. They are not the only four. They are the *reflexes* of Proto-Semitic vowel classes.

You do not seem to grasp what your own source material is expressing.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Have you taken a single course in Classical Hebrew?

 

[SteveCaruso]

Or picked up a book about it? And read... *any* of it?

 

[CherubRam]

First: Describe to me what a vowel reflex is. Second: Then explain to me why – logically – this does not express a comprehensive inventory of the vowels present in the language.




No, that's the Tiberian vocalization. Your list only provides 4 of the 11 vowels realized in the dialect. They are not the only four. They are the *reflexes* of Proto-Semitic vowel classes.

You do not seem to grasp what your own source material is expressing.

Masoretic scholars living in the Jewish community of Tiberias in ancient Judea c. 750–950 CE. They wrote in the form of Tiberian vocalization, which employed diacritics added to the Hebrew letters.

 

[CherubRam]

Or picked up a book about it? And read... *any* of it?

I know nothing. I only repeat what I get from leading scholars.

 

[SteveCaruso]

I know nothing. I only repeat what I get from leading scholar.

Is that scholar's name "Wikipedia"?

More seriously: If you know nothing, what basis do you have to argue anything?

 

[CherubRam]

Is that scholar's name "Wikipedia"?

More seriously: If you know nothing, what basis do you have to argue anything?

I study what David Steinberg writes about the Hebrew language, and I also listen to others about certain subjects.

History of the Hebrew Language by David Steinberg

 

[SteveCaruso]

I study what David Steinberg writes about the Hebrew language, and I also listen to others about certain subjects.

CR, you're not reading what you claim to be reading.

Steinberg gives several examples of e-class vowels in what he describes as Early Biblical Hebrew in a number of his vowel tables.

 

[CherubRam]

CR, you're not reading what you claim to be reading.

Steinberg gives several examples of e-class vowels in what he describes as Early Biblical Hebrew in a number of his vowel tables.

I do not disagree that there were e vowel sounds. I do not agree that the e vowel was in actual use. The same can be said about a and e being confused.

 

[SteveCaruso]

I do not disagree that there were e vowel sounds. I do not agree that the e vowel was in actual use. The same can be said about a and e being confused.

This does not follow. Non sequitur.

 

[CherubRam]

This does not follow. Non sequitur.

The premise is that vowels have sounds, and the conclusion is the actual vowel being used. Another point to be made is that the Rabbi's changed the language. Example: IL became EL.