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Fair enough but the shaming that goes on by Christians who keep holy days against those who don't should stop. I'm not convinced from scripture that Christ's Mass is a holy day. It fact, the way it is kept by Christians is deplorable. "Keep Christ in Christmas" for what? For big biz to make a buck off of Christians who wrongly divide the word?
 
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Fair enough but the shaming that goes on by Christians who keep holy days against those who don't should stop. I'm not convinced from scripture that Christ's Mass is a holy day. It fact, the way it is kept by Christians is deplorable. "Keep Christ in Christmas" for what? For big biz to make a buck off of Christians who wrongly divide the word?
It goes both ways - the shaming aspect. Personally I say to each his own. I happen to enjoy celebrating it but think nothing less of the brother who doesn't - particularly if it is from conviction.
 
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I am not shaming anyone who keeps a "holy day." I'm shaming the whole sale materialism Christians embrace in the name of Christ. 50 years ago Christians were upset that big business was turning Christmas into a commercial event but now we have Christians mad about Starbucks doing away with their Christmas cups! Lol
 
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Xmas to me is a curse word... Christmas on the other hand is a blessed word!

Agreed! We often say that "Christ" is being taken out of the world all the time. His name can't even be mentioned without it being a curse word. But Christmas is now replaced with the word "holidays". And if someone decides to actually write the word "Christmas", they remove the "Christ" part and replace His name with an "X".
 
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Agreed! We often say that "Christ" is being taken out of the world all the time. His name can't even be mentioned without it being a curse word. But Christmas is now replaced with the word "holidays". And if someone decides to actually write the word "Christmas", they remove the "Christ" part and replace His name with an "X".

And another thing... Having been brought up Baptist I was taught as a little lad always to pray to the Father, "In Jesus Precious Name, Amen!" One thing that irks me just as bad as 'XMas' hearing someone pray, "Father, in they holy name Amen!"

Newsflash! We cannot go to the Father in his name, we must go in the name of Jesus! I have emailed countless ministries on this error!
 
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And another thing... Having been brought up Baptist I was taught as a little lad always to pray to the Father, "In Jesus Precious Name, Amen!" One thing that irks me just as bad as 'XMas' hearing someone pray, "Father, in they holy name Amen!"

Newsflash! We cannot go to the Father in his name, we must go in the name of Jesus! I have emailed countless ministries on this error!

I remember having a pastor who actually was practically preaching against praying in the name of Christ. He was making fun of it, saying things like, "People think that saying 'in Christ's name' at the end of a prayer is some sort of a force-multiplier or magic word to make God do what we want". Also, when he did his prayer at the end of the sermon he'd say, "In your name we pray" or "and these things we pray, Amen".

Now, I'm not positive that it matters either way for sure. I think when Jesus mentioned about us praying in His name, it's possible that He meant that we're praying it for his sake, or in His stead. Kind of like a lawyer speaking to a judge in the name of his client. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.
 
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And another thing... Having been brought up Baptist I was taught as a little lad always to pray to the Father, "In Jesus Precious Name, Amen!" One thing that irks me just as bad as 'XMas' hearing someone pray, "Lord, in they holy name Amen!"

I still did not hear the name of Jesus in the prayer!
 
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Fair enough but the shaming that goes on by Christians who keep holy days against those who don't should stop. I'm not convinced from scripture that Christ's Mass is a holy day. It fact, the way it is kept by Christians is deplorable. "Keep Christ in Christmas" for what? For big biz to make a buck off of Christians who wrongly divide the word?
Those who want to keep Christ in Christmas are obviously not saying that they want to keep commercialism and/or materialism front and center during this season. Suggesting that that's their intention almost borders on the silly.
 
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Those who want to keep Christ in Christmas are obviously not saying that they want to keep commercialism and/or materialism front and center during this season. Suggesting that that's their intention almost borders on the silly.

It actually crosses the border to being the opposite of what was being suggested. Keeping Christ in Christmas has nothing to do with commercialism at all. Commercialism (and "political correctness") are what is taking Christ out of Christmas.
 
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It actually crosses the border to being the opposite of what was being suggested. Keeping Christ in Christmas has nothing to do with commercialism at all. Commercialism (and "political correctness") are what is taking Christ out of Christmas.
Those who can only think in slogans will be mystified by what you wrote, but I thought it was quite perceptive. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Those who can only think in slogans will be mystified by what you wrote, but I thought it was quite perceptive. :oldthumbsup:

Thanks! I'm sure the PC crowd will want to butcher me for suggesting such radical ideas though.
 
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It actually crosses the border to being the opposite of what was being suggested. Keeping Christ in Christmas has nothing to do with commercialism at all. Commercialism (and "political correctness") are what is taking Christ out of Christmas.

It does where I live. Christians are selling signs for profit that state the slogans already mentioned. The local Christian bookstore also makes a few bucks off the signs and when I said I wasn't interested in buying one the lady who was hawking them came very close to saying I was an unbeliever. :| It was on the tip of her tongue.

Folks, it's a matter of scripture. Does scripture tell us to keep holy days? I would say it does not. The Bible does say we shall allow weaker brethren to keep them if they need to. That's fine. But when it is imposed upon the rest of the church as if it is a biblical holy day we then have issues. If we now have "Christmas" services, which are not taught in scripture, imposed upon the congregation that crosses the border. It's a matter of Christian freedom if you want to keep a holy day but not a matter of Christian freedom to impose it on the rest of us. In a thread like this the opposite is said to be true, that if I contend for scripture alone and against the keeping of holy days, I am frowned upon.

Calvin understood this well when he wrote, "I know how difficult it is to persuade the world that God disapproves of all modes of worship not expressly sanctioned by His Word. The opposite persuasion which cleaves to them, being seated, as it were, in their very bones and marrow, is, that whatever they do has in itself a sufficient sanction, provided it exhibits some kind of zeal for the honor of God. But since God not only regards as frivolous, but also plainly abominates, whatever we undertake from zeal to His worship, if at variance with His command, what do we gain by a contrary course? The words of God are clear and distinct, "Obedience is better than sacrifice." "In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men," 1 Sam. 15:22; Matt. 15:9. Every addition of His word, especially in this matter, is a lie. Mere "will worship" (ethelothreeskia) is vanity [Col. 2:23]. This is the decision, and when once the judge has decided, it is no longer time to debate." The Necessity of Reforming the Church

And again, "I come now to ceremonies, which, while they ought to be grave attestations of divine worship, are rather a mere mockery of God. A new Judaism, as a substitute for that which God has distinctly abrogated, has again been reared up by means of numerous puerile extravagances, collected from different quarters; and with these have been mixed up certain impious rites, partly borrowed from the heathen, and more adapted to some theatrical show than to the dignity of our religion. The first evil here is, that an immense number of ceremonies, which God had by his authority abrogated, once for all, have been again revived. The next evil is, that while ceremonies ought to be living exercises of piety, men are vainly occupied with numbers of them that are both frivolous and useless. But by far the most deadly evil of all is, that after men have thus mocked God with ceremonies of one kind or other, they think they have fulfilled their duty as admirably as if these ceremonies included in the whole essence of piety and divine worship."

The keeping of days was abrogated! How can someone say we are no long under law whatsoever and then argue to keep Christmas? It makes no sense. The keeping of holy days is in direct relation to the Old Mosaic Covenant of works.

Johnny Knox, no, the real John Knox of Scotland wrote against the Romanists who could enslave us with false worship, "That God's word damns your ceremonies, it is evident; for the plain and straight commandment of God is, "Not that thing which appears good in thy eyes, shalt thou do to the Lord thy God, but what the Lord thy God has commanded thee, that do thou: add nothing to it; diminish nothing from it." Now unless that ye are able to prove that God has commanded your ceremonies, this his former commandment will damn both you and them."

The Larger Catechism is crystal clear.

Q. 109. What are the sins forbidden in the second commandment?

A. The sins forbidden in the second commandment are...any religious worship not instituted by God himself; tolerating a false religion...corrupting the worship of God, adding to it, or taking from it, whether invented and taken up of ourselves, or received by tradition from others, though under the title of antiquity, custom, devotion, good intent, or any other pretence whatsoever...

I bet Uzzah thought he was doing a good deed when I touched the ark and died.

So, at this point I have to say, if I keep Christmas as a Christian holy day...upon what authority? If I add it to my worship calendar and keep it, I do so upon my own authority or the authority of tradition.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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XMAS (Christmas)
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“Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen…for the CUSTOMS of the people are vain” (Jer. 10:1-3).

Christmas is coming! Quite so: but what is “Christmas?” Does not the very term itself denote it’s source – “Christ-mass.” Thus it is of Roman origin, brought over from paganism. But, says someone, Christmas is the time when we commemorate the Savior’s birth. It is? And WHO authorized such commemoration? Certainly God did not. The Redeemer bade His disciples “remember” Him in His death, but there is not a word in scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, which tells us to celebrate His birth. Moreover, who knows when, in what month, He was born? The Bible is silent thereon. It is without reason that the only “birthday” commemorations mentioned in God’s Word are Pharaoh’s (Gen. 40:20) and Herod’s (Matt. 14:6)? Is this recorded “for our learning?” If so, have we prayerfully taken it to heart?

And WHO is it that celebrates “Christmas?” The whole “civilized world.” Millions who make no profession of faith in the blood of the Lamb, who “despise and reject Him,” and millions more who while claiming to be His followers yet in works deny Him, join in merrymaking under the pretense of honoring the birth of the Lord Jesus. Putting it on it’s lowest ground, we would ask, is it fitting that His friends should unite with His enemies in a worldly round of fleshly gratification? Does any true born again soul really think that He whom the world cast out is either pleased or glorified by such participation in the world’s joys? Verily, the customs of the people are VAIN; and it is written, “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” (Ex. 23:2).

Some will argue for the “keeping of Christmas” on the ground of “giving the kiddies a good time.” But why do this under the cloak of honoring the Savior’s birth? Why is it necessary to drag in His holy name in connection with what takes place at that season of carnal jollification? Is this taking the little one with you OUT of Egypt (Ex. 10:9-10) a type of the world, or is it not plainly a mingling with the present day Egyptians in their “pleasures of sin for a season?” (Heb. 11:25) Scripture says, “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it” (Prov. 22:6). Scripture does command God’s people to bring up their children “in the nurture and admonition of the Lord” (Eph. 6:4), but where does it stipulate that it is our duty to give the little one a “good time?” Do we ever give the children “a good time” when we engage in anything upon which we cannot fittingly ask THE LORD’S blessing?

There are those who DO abstain from some of the grosser carnalities of the “festive season,” yet are they nevertheless in cruel bondage to the prevailing custom of “Christmas” namely that of exchanging “gifts.” We say “exchanging” for that is what it really amounts to in many cases. A list is kept, either on paper or in memory, of those from whom gifts were received last year, and that for the purpose of returning the compliment this year. Nor is this all: great care has been taken that the “gift” made to the friend is worth as much in dollars and cents as the one they expect to receive from him or her. Thus, with many who can ill afford it, a considerable sum has to be set aside each year with which to purchase things simply to send them out in RETURN for others which are likely to be received. Thus a burden has been bound on them which not a few find hard to bear.

But what are we to do? If we fail to send out “gifts” our friends will think hard of us, probably deem us stingy and miserly. The honest course is to go to the trouble of notifying them – by letter if at a distance – that from now on you do not propose to send out any more “Christmas gifts” as such. Give your reasons. State plainly that you have been brought to see that “Christmas merrymaking” is entirely a thing OF THE WORLD, devoid of any Scriptural warrant; that it is a Romish institution, and now that you see this, you dare no longer have any fellowship with it (Eph. 5:11); that you are the Lord’s “free man” (1 Cor. 7:22), and therefore you refuse to be in bondage to a costly custom imposed by the world.

What about sending out “Christmas cards” with a text of Scripture on them? That also is an abomination in the sight of God. Why? Because His Word expressly forbids all unholy mixtures; Deut. 22:10-11 typified this. What do we mean by an “unholy mixture?” This: the linking together of the pure Word of God with the Romish “Christ-MASS.” By all means send cards (preferably at some other time of the year) to your ungodly friends, and Christians too, with a verse of Scripture, but NOT with “Christmas” on it. What would you think of a printed program of a vaudeville having Isa. 53:5 at the foot of it? Why, that it was altogether OUT OF PLACE, highly incongruous. But in the sight of God the circus and the theater are far less obnoxious than the “Christmas celebration” of Romish and Protestant “churches.” Why? Because the latter are done under the cover of the holy name of Christ; the former are not.

“But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto perfect day” (Prov. 4:18). Where there is a heart that really desires to please the Lord, He graciously grants increasing knowledge of His will. If He is pleased to use these lines in opening the eyes of some of His dear people to recognize what is a growing evil, and to show them that they have been dishonoring Christ by linking the name of the Man of Sorrows (and such He WAS, when on earth) with a “MERRY Christmas,” then join with the writer in a repentant confessing of this sin to God, seeking His grace for complete deliverance from it, and praise Him for the light which He has granted you concerning it.

Beloved fellow-Christian, “The coming of the Lord draweth nigh” (Jas. 5:8). Do we really believe this? Believe it not because the Papacy is regaining its lost temporal power, but because GOD says so – “for we walk by faith, not by sight” (2 Cor. 5:7). If so, what effects does such believing have on our walk? This may be your last Christmas on earth. During it the Lord may descend from heaven with a shout to gather His own to Himself. Would you like to be summoned from a “Christmas party” to meet Him in the air? The call for the moment is “Go ye OUT to meet Him” (Matt. 25:6) out from a Godless Christendom, out from the horrible burlesque of “religion” which now masquerades under His name.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad” (2 Cor. 5:10). How solemn and searching! The Lord Jesus declared that “every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment” (Matt. 12:36). If every “idle word” is going to be taken note of, then most assuredly will be every wasted energy, every wasted dollar, every wasted hour! Should we still be on earth when the closing days of this year arrive, let writer and reader earnestly seek grace to live and act with the judgment seat of Christ before us. HIS “well done” will be ample compensation for the sneers and taunts which we may now receive from Christless souls.



Does any Christian reader imagine for a moment that when he or she shall stand before their holy Lord, that they will regret having lived “too strictly” on earth? Is there the slightest danger of His reproving any of His own because they were “too extreme” in “abstaining from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul” (1 Peter 2:11)? We may gain the good will and good works of worldly religionists today by our compromising on “little (?) points,” but shall we receive His smile and approval on that day? Oh to be more concerned about what HE thinks, and less concerned about what perishing mortals think.

“Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” (Ex. 23:2). Ah, it is an easy thing to float with the tide of popular opinion; but it takes much grace, diligently sought from God, to swim against it. Yet that is what the heir of heaven is called on to do: to “Be not conformed to this world” (Rom. 12:2), to deny self, take up the cross, and follow a rejected Christ. How sorely does both writer and reader need to heed that word of the savior, “Behold, I come quickly; hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev. 3:11). Oh that each of us may be able to truthfully say, “I have refrained my feet from EVERY evil way, that I might keep THY WORD” (Psa. 119:101).

Our final word is to the pastors. To you the Word of the Lord is, “Be THOU AN EXAMPLE of believers in word, in deportment, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity” (1 Tim. 4:12). Is it not true that the most corrupt “churches” you know of, where almost every fundamental of the faith is denied, will have their “Christmas celebrations?” Will you imitate them? Are you consistent to protest against unscriptural methods of “raising money,” and then to sanction unscriptural “Christmas services?” Seek grace to firmly but lovingly set God’s truth on this subject before your people, and announce that you can have no part in following Pagan, Romish, and worldly customs.
 
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I am not shaming anyone who keeps a "holy day." I'm shaming the whole sale materialism Christians embrace in the name of Christ. 50 years ago Christians were upset that big business was turning Christmas into a commercial event but now we have Christians mad about Starbucks doing away with their Christmas cups! Lol
Yes... and uproaring over America's apostasy as if it were a Christian nation to begin with. In spite of our effort to keep religion and government separate, the language of the constitution makes it possible for any religion to influence political ideologies enough to legislate their rights over others, i.e. ideologies of the LGBT 'religion'.
 
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You know my thoughts old chap. Pretty much the same as yours. Jesus definitely isn't the reason for the season.

Everyone seems to want to make that perfectly clear. Christmas is the only holiday that people seem to want to avoid even saying. When it's close to Christmas, people think a generic "Happy holidays" is what needs to be said rather than "Merry Christmas". If a person dare mention Christmas in a greeting to someone, they could even get fired from their job: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/archive/NATL-Woman-I-Was-Fired-for-Saying-Merry-Christmas-.html but why isn't that the case for saying, "Happy Thanksgiving" or "Happy Valentines Day"? Why aren't people having to replace those holidays with the generic word "holidays"? Is there something about the word "Christ" that needs to be X'ed out when they write "Xmas", or something about the word "Christmas" that is so offensive to people nowadays?

Also, since when was a Christmas tree to be called a "holiday" tree? What's wrong with naming the holiday? Is a Thanksgiving turkey ever referred to as a "holiday turkey"? Is a Valentine's Day card a holiday card? Do people yell "HAPPY HOLIDAY" at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Day? Are people fired from their job for not doing so? Gee, I wonder why not! :scratch:
 
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