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Brother Simon
And His name shall be called Wonderful...
When is it? If it's in the summer, I will start to make arrangements...I am allowed an international trip per summer...and WYD would just be plain great!
Great love,
Simon
Great love,
Simon
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Brother Simon
And His name shall be called Wonderful...
DreamTheater said:
It is quite a blessing, yes. However, the reason I get such an opportunity is because my dad travels internationally...meaning I only see him about 6 months of the year.
Abundant love,
Simon
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faerieevaH
lucky wife
I will be going. *S* Of course it's just a few hours driving from me this time! It's in august, Brother Simon, starts the fifteenth or so. *L*
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Markh
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I am fairly critical of WYDs. I don't think a week long event will suddenly turn lapsed young Catholic of Europe into evangelical, knowledgable, orthodox Catholics.
It all seems like a very large gimmik. Every Diocise in the UK is spending all the "youth devoted money" on promoting this event rather than actually giving decent catechesis to the youth.
Of course in itself the idea of WYD is good but the centrality it now has! That is absolutely ridiculous.
It actually makes me angry.
Young Catholics should rather be being sent on conferences nearby to them which teach orthodox Catholicism and make them actually Catholics again.
It all seems like a very large gimmik. Every Diocise in the UK is spending all the "youth devoted money" on promoting this event rather than actually giving decent catechesis to the youth.
Of course in itself the idea of WYD is good but the centrality it now has! That is absolutely ridiculous.
It actually makes me angry.
Young Catholics should rather be being sent on conferences nearby to them which teach orthodox Catholicism and make them actually Catholics again.
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Rising_Suns
'Christ's desolate heart is in need of comfort'
Markh said:
Perhaps you have a point here Mark. I have never been to WYD so I wouldn't know. Is it becoming more of a social event? perhaps Life Teen'ish?
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Dominus Fidelis
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Nope, but I may be setting up a hip-hop concert for our American Catholic youth in the UK after WYD in association with http://www.phatmass.com
We are trying to work out the details, but it looks promising.
We are trying to work out the details, but it looks promising.
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Markh
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Although I still am not so much in favour of WYD being seen as the primary catechesis- I think I will actually be going now
The vocations director in my area said he was able to subsidise the cost loads, down to £150 which is about $90, so I would be silly not to go at that price!
The vocations director in my area said he was able to subsidise the cost loads, down to £150 which is about $90, so I would be silly not to go at that price!
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HappyMomof4
Thank You Jesus!
My mother in law, her 2 daughters, sister in law, and her son are going. They tried to raise money this past year in their youth group for it, but I don't think they raised near enough. I guess the parents are footing the bill. The plane tickets are around $1200.
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colleen
We are an Easter people!
Markh,
I disagree. I know, because going to something similar changed my life. The Pope came to St. Louis in 1999, and was one of the youth who got to go to the youth rally. I was a senior in high school, and a step away from becoming a lapsed catholic (at the time I would have told you their was no hell and other cafeteria catholic nonesense). I went not because I loved the pope, but because I felt like I shouldn't give up a chance to see him. God had other plans. That day brought me to my knees. I was balling when the Pope came in, and I knew instantly that he loved me. The message I post in my signature really got to me. When I looked around me and saw 20,000 other youth feeling the same thing about man who was telling us not to do everything are culture was telling us to do I knew that I had been home all along. It started me on the journey to the conservative Catholic I am today. Remember many of the youth going to WYD would never go to a conservative conference. While there are concerts (which introduced me to Christian pop) there are other great speakers. Plus, it helped me realize the special place the pope has for the youth.
Colleen
I disagree. I know, because going to something similar changed my life. The Pope came to St. Louis in 1999, and was one of the youth who got to go to the youth rally. I was a senior in high school, and a step away from becoming a lapsed catholic (at the time I would have told you their was no hell and other cafeteria catholic nonesense). I went not because I loved the pope, but because I felt like I shouldn't give up a chance to see him. God had other plans. That day brought me to my knees. I was balling when the Pope came in, and I knew instantly that he loved me. The message I post in my signature really got to me. When I looked around me and saw 20,000 other youth feeling the same thing about man who was telling us not to do everything are culture was telling us to do I knew that I had been home all along. It started me on the journey to the conservative Catholic I am today. Remember many of the youth going to WYD would never go to a conservative conference. While there are concerts (which introduced me to Christian pop) there are other great speakers. Plus, it helped me realize the special place the pope has for the youth.
Colleen
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faerieevaH
lucky wife
I'm going... I'm going... first time. Even while I was IN Toronto during WYD, my company wouldn't go because there were 'too many people and they just didn't like crowds and it would be so busy in the city'...I STILL regret not having gone against them. 
But I felt it would be rude towards my host.
But I felt it would be rude towards my host.
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Wiffey
He is my refuge and my fortress...
Thankyou for sharing that, it is a lovely story. We live in a society that really doesn't value children and teens. Babies are aborted, children are ignored, teens are over-sexualized by our culture and exploited. That the Pope makes time to focus on lifting up the young is a great gift.colleen said:
Many young folks are spiritually lost because noone has taken their spiritual needs seriously. They have a great need for love, and if they do not know how to get it from God, they will go looking for it in all the wrong places. I think WYD is good. Following up those WYD experiences with solid religious Ed is also good, too...
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