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Iran's nuclear program was "the foremost issue," but Olmert also conveyed "Israel's concern over the Iranian and Syrian desire to acquire weapons from Russia of types that could change the balance in the area," Eisin added. Olmert also updated Putin on his negotiations with Palestinian leaders in preparation for the upcoming Annapolis summit.

In a terse reaction to Putin's comments earlier today, Israeli President Shimon Peres stated that intelligence services have "incontrovertible proof ... that Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons."

Meantime at a White House press conference on Wednesday, US President George W. Bush responded to questions about Putin's unsettling visit to Tehran by bluntly warning that Iran's nuclear activities could lead to World War III.

"I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush stated. He explained that for this reason, he has been urging the international community to adopt a tougher sanctions regime against the Islamic Republic.

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Iran's nuclear program was "the foremost issue," but Olmert also conveyed "Israel's concern over the Iranian and Syrian desire to acquire weapons from Russia of types that could change the balance in the area," Eisin added. Olmert also updated Putin on his negotiations with Palestinian leaders in preparation for the upcoming Annapolis summit.

In a terse reaction to Putin's comments earlier today, Israeli President Shimon Peres stated that intelligence services have "incontrovertible proof ... that Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons."

Meantime at a White House press conference on Wednesday, US President George W. Bush responded to questions about Putin's unsettling visit to Tehran by bluntly warning that Iran's nuclear activities could lead to World War III.

"I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush stated. He explained that for this reason, he has been urging the international community to adopt a tougher sanctions regime against the Islamic Republic.

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It just isn't right for people to get all excited and hopeful with regard to ww 3. It is sick and not of Christ.. We as Christians should be doing all we can to prevent such as this.
 
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Iran's nuclear program was "the foremost issue," but Olmert also conveyed "Israel's concern over the Iranian and Syrian desire to acquire weapons from Russia of types that could change the balance in the area," Eisin added. Olmert also updated Putin on his negotiations with Palestinian leaders in preparation for the upcoming Annapolis summit.

In a terse reaction to Putin's comments earlier today, Israeli President Shimon Peres stated that intelligence services have "incontrovertible proof ... that Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons."

Meantime at a White House press conference on Wednesday, US President George W. Bush responded to questions about Putin's unsettling visit to Tehran by bluntly warning that Iran's nuclear activities could lead to World War III.

"I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush stated. He explained that for this reason, he has been urging the international community to adopt a tougher sanctions regime against the Islamic Republic.

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Hello Carey,


Prevention is on our doorstep.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan71.html

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] At the Cold War's end, the United States was given one of the great opportunities of history: to embrace Russia, largest nation on earth, as partner, friend, ally. Our mutual interests meshed almost perfectly. There was no ideological, territorial, historic or economic quarrel between us, once communist ideology was interred. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] We blew it. [/FONT]
 
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It just isn't right for people to get all excited and hopeful with regard to ww 3. It is sick and not of Christ.. We as Christians should be doing all we can to prevent such as this.

Matthew 24 : 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

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Will Iran force a nuclear exchange between them and Israel??
Russia and Vhina are allies with Iran.

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Adolf Hitler and others at a Nazi party rally, Nuremberg, Germany, performing the salute.

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The Quran says kill every human who won't convert to Islam.
Hitler saw other people as subhuman and thought they needed extermination as well.
http://www.jaysnet.com/666nuke.html


29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
 
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Matthew 24 : 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

------------------
666-2006-july22-middle-east-nuclear-war.jpg

Will Iran force a nuclear exchange between them and Israel??
Russia and Vhina are allies with Iran.

-
666-2006-july22-Hitler.jpg
666-2005-august15_Mahmoud%20Ahmadinejad.jpg


Adolf Hitler and others at a Nazi party rally, Nuremberg, Germany, performing the salute.

[SIZE=-2]--------------------------[/SIZE]
The Quran says kill every human who won't convert to Islam.
Hitler saw other people as subhuman and thought they needed extermination as well.
http://www.jaysnet.com/666nuke.html


29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Carey,

Let me see if I understand. The Koran says every non Muslim must die...(even though in other places it does not)Now because of this Christians are to expect Muslim genocide. Waiting and watching is one thing, actively promoting and voting for people who commit genocide are ...committing genocide.

That the power brokers are China and Russia who are not Muslim does not seem to bother anyone. The least two popular nations of the world, the United States and Israel started the last 3 major wars. The US supports Israel as a so called Christian nation and is indeed responsible for all 3. What is it about a faith of peace that is always at war?


The post has all the look of a death cult...and that it is.
 
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Carey,

Let me see if I understand. The Koran says every non Muslim must die...(even though in other places it does not)Now because of this Christians are to expect Muslim genocide. Waiting and watching is one thing, actively promoting and voting for people who commit genocide are ...committing genocide.

That the power brokers are China and Russia who are not Muslim does not seem to bother anyone. The least two popular nations of the world, the United States and Israel started the last 3 major wars. The US supports Israel as a so called Christian nation and is indeed responsible for all 3. What is it about a faith of peace that is always at war?


The post has all the look of a death cult...and that it is.
:amen:

One thing in common (very simular in deed) that Christian zionist and Muslims have, are their end time scenarios; CZ believe when Israel fills the land Christ will return and non believers will parish. Muslims believe when the Jews control the world, the end will come and Christ will return and they then will follow Christ and all non-believers will parish. Either way Jews are out of luck. Man, somewhere along the way religion has side tracked faith.

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Thouhgt I'd add my thoughts which are worth almost nothing.

I think the Cold War was WW3 ... so the war on terrorism is WW4.

I don't think we know enough now to know if this war will be the war that bring in the end of this period in God plan. So I'd say no this next war will not be Armageddon.

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Thouhgt I'd add my thoughts which are worth almost nothing.

I think the Cold War was WW3 ... so the war on terrorism is WW4.

I don't think we know enough now to know if this war will be the war that bring in the end of this period in God plan. So I'd say no this next war will not be Armageddon.

dayhiker

It's a good 2 cents worth ;)
 
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Carey,

Let me see if I understand. The Koran says every non Muslim must die...(even though in other places it does not)Now because of this Christians are to expect Muslim genocide. Waiting and watching is one thing, actively promoting and voting for people who commit genocide are ...committing genocide.

That the power brokers are China and Russia who are not Muslim does not seem to bother anyone. The least two popular nations of the world, the United States and Israel started the last 3 major wars. The US supports Israel as a so called Christian nation and is indeed responsible for all 3. What is it about a faith of peace that is always at war?


The post has all the look of a death cult...and that it is.

Are you calling those little wars with Iraq that we quickly won Major wars??

I would consider the world wars Major wars.

There are ongoing wars all over the planet at all times.
Why is it you want to focus on the US wars so??

It seems that you are jealous of the God given US and Israeli prosperity and might.

The previos post of mine does seem like a death cult.
That is what Irans regime is.
That is what most of Islam is.

China nad Russia are Godless nations and dont care they will help Islam if Islam does not turn on them.
But Islam will evenetially turn on them too.
 
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Thouhgt I'd add my thoughts which are worth almost nothing.

I think the Cold War was WW3 ... so the war on terrorism is WW4.

I don't think we know enough now to know if this war will be the war that bring in the end of this period in God plan. So I'd say no this next war will not be Armageddon.

dayhiker

I dont think it will be the big one either.

I think it will be the one that will destroy one 3rd of all mankind though. Then will come the big birth pains.
The Nukes will shake the earth enough to cause earthquakes in various places simultaneously.
 
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:amen:

One thing in common (very simular in deed) that Christian zionist and Muslims have, are their end time scenarios; CZ believe when Israel fills the land Christ will return and non believers will parish. Muslims believe when the Jews control the world, the end will come and Christ will return and they then will follow Christ and all non-believers will parish. Either way Jews are out of luck. Man, somewhere along the way religion has side tracked faith.

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Hello Micah68,

Well spoken. Indeed Muslim and Christian Zionism end scenarios have much in common for they have a common source in extremist Cabalistic Judaism which used their rather large financial backing to spawn latter day movements such as Mormonism JWS, Christian Zionism and Mizachi movements in the 19 and early 20th centuries.

Info on the lesser known Zionist Orthodoxy.

Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/Orthodoxy/Zionism.html

Returning to Cabalistic Judaism it considers evil to provoke God to do good. In other words evil is good and good is evil . If goodness is maintained at a certain level then God will not intervene and thus human good is a blight and delaying God's arrival. That is Christian Zionism very closely.

One may read some of the text that contributes to this belief . It should be noted that Orthodox Judaism considers these Frankist Sabbeteans as apostate. However take note at the travails that must occur before the Son of David may come.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_97.html
 
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Hello Micah68,

Well spoken. Indeed Muslim and Christian Zionism end scenarios have much in common for they have a common source in extremist Cabalistic Judaism which used their rather large financial backing to spawn latter day movements such as Mormonism JWS, Christian Zionism and Mizachi movements in the 19 and early 20th centuries.

Info on the lesser known Zionist Orthodoxy.

Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/Orthodoxy/Zionism.html

Returning to Cabalistic Judaism it considers evil to provoke God to do good. In other words evil is good and good is evil . If goodness is maintained at a certain level then God will not intervene and thus human good is a blight and delaying God's arrival. That is Christian Zionism very closely.

One may read some of the text that contributes to this belief . It should be noted that Orthodox Judaism considers these Frankist Sabbeteans as apostate. However take note at the travails that must occur before the Son of David may come.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_97.html

Interesting stuff.:thumbsup:

I am sure God will use people from mamy relgions and nations to fulfill his prophecies like these since 1948

Isaiah 61 : 9 Their descendants will be known among the nations
and their offspring among the peoples.
All who see them will acknowledge
that they are a people the LORD has blessed."

Isaiah 60 : 5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come

10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

The United States has stood as a friend and partner of Israel since its independence in 1948, and that situation won’t change, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here yesterday evening.
3948.jpg
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates (on right) receives the Henry M. Jackson Distinguished Service Award from Robert Stevens, chairman of Lockheed Martin, at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs annual dinner in Washington, D.C., Oct. 15, 2007. (Defense Dept. photo by Cherie A. Thurlby)
In an age of Middle Eastern-sourced terrorism with global reach that is threatening Americans and Israelis alike, “it is even more important to maintain and bolster our partnership,” Gates said at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs’ annual Henry Jackson Award dinner.
Gates is this year’s recipient of the institute’s Jackson award, named after late U.S. Sen. Henry M. Jackson, a staunch Cold Warrior and stalwart supporter of America’s friendship with Israel.
Iran is no friend of the United States or Israel, and its desire for nuclear capability and apparent ambition to dominate the region are causing “great anxiety and instability” across the Middle East, Gates pointed out.
Only “a united front of nations” can exert enough pressure to coerce Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions, Gates said.
“Our allies must work together on robust, far-reaching and strongly enforced economic sanctions” against Iran, if it doesn’t jettison its nuclear program, the defense secretary said. Diplomatic and political pressure must be employed to deter Iran, and all options are on the table, he added.
Yet, Iran isn’t the only disruptive influence in the Middle East, Gates said. Non-state terrorists and illegal sectarian militias are causing death, misery, poverty and fear across the region, he noted
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print....ocumentid/3946



Isaiah 62 : 4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
or name your land Desolate.


Since 1960, the Israeli coastal dunes have undergone a stabilization process that is manifested in the increase of vegetation cover and in a decrease in the abundance of sand-living flora and fauna species. The objective of the study was to quantify, using remote sensing and GIS, the rate and extent of vegetation expansion and their resultant temporal changes on Israel’s southern coastal dunes between the years 1965 and 1999.
The results indicate that during the entire study period, the vegetation-covered area grew by 82% at an annual average growth rate of 1.75%. Concurrently, the bare shifting dune area decreased by 37% at an annual average growth rate of 1.34%.
The conspicuous trend over the period studied, despite regressive processes, is a transition from bare shifting dunes to stabilized, vegetation-covered dunes. The extrapolation of the results, assuming continuation of processes and no destruction effects, indicates that with the decrease in the bare shifting dunes, the ratio of bare shifting dunes and sparse vegetation coverage landscape will equalize by between 2007 and 2010. According to this extrapolation, between 2012 and 2015, no bare shifting dune landscape will remain, and the study area will be covered with sparse- and dense-level vegetation cover. Beginning in 2035, the entire study area will be covered in vegetation whose density will be between 60 and 100%. Meso-climate and land use changes are among the factors that might explain this phenomenon.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=2764302b06cd1636a30b88b1a4166159
 
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Interesting stuff.:thumbsup:

I am sure God will use people from mamy relgions and nations to fulfill his prophecies like these since 1948

Isaiah 61 : 9 Their descendants will be known among the nations
and their offspring among the peoples.
All who see them will acknowledge
that they are a people the LORD has blessed."

Isaiah 60 : 5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come

10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

The United States has stood as a friend and partner of Israel since its independence in 1948, and that situation won’t change, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here yesterday evening.
3948.jpg
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates (on right) receives the Henry M. Jackson Distinguished Service Award from Robert Stevens, chairman of Lockheed Martin, at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs annual dinner in Washington, D.C., Oct. 15, 2007. (Defense Dept. photo by Cherie A. Thurlby)
In an age of Middle Eastern-sourced terrorism with global reach that is threatening Americans and Israelis alike, “it is even more important to maintain and bolster our partnership,” Gates said at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs’ annual Henry Jackson Award dinner.
Gates is this year’s recipient of the institute’s Jackson award, named after late U.S. Sen. Henry M. Jackson, a staunch Cold Warrior and stalwart supporter of America’s friendship with Israel.
Iran is no friend of the United States or Israel, and its desire for nuclear capability and apparent ambition to dominate the region are causing “great anxiety and instability” across the Middle East, Gates pointed out.
Only “a united front of nations” can exert enough pressure to coerce Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions, Gates said.
“Our allies must work together on robust, far-reaching and strongly enforced economic sanctions” against Iran, if it doesn’t jettison its nuclear program, the defense secretary said. Diplomatic and political pressure must be employed to deter Iran, and all options are on the table, he added.
Yet, Iran isn’t the only disruptive influence in the Middle East, Gates said. Non-state terrorists and illegal sectarian militias are causing death, misery, poverty and fear across the region, he noted
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print....ocumentid/3946



Isaiah 62 : 4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
or name your land Desolate.


Since 1960, the Israeli coastal dunes have undergone a stabilization process that is manifested in the increase of vegetation cover and in a decrease in the abundance of sand-living flora and fauna species. The objective of the study was to quantify, using remote sensing and GIS, the rate and extent of vegetation expansion and their resultant temporal changes on Israel’s southern coastal dunes between the years 1965 and 1999.
The results indicate that during the entire study period, the vegetation-covered area grew by 82% at an annual average growth rate of 1.75%. Concurrently, the bare shifting dune area decreased by 37% at an annual average growth rate of 1.34%.
The conspicuous trend over the period studied, despite regressive processes, is a transition from bare shifting dunes to stabilized, vegetation-covered dunes. The extrapolation of the results, assuming continuation of processes and no destruction effects, indicates that with the decrease in the bare shifting dunes, the ratio of bare shifting dunes and sparse vegetation coverage landscape will equalize by between 2007 and 2010. According to this extrapolation, between 2012 and 2015, no bare shifting dune landscape will remain, and the study area will be covered with sparse- and dense-level vegetation cover. Beginning in 2035, the entire study area will be covered in vegetation whose density will be between 60 and 100%. Meso-climate and land use changes are among the factors that might explain this phenomenon.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=2764302b06cd1636a30b88b1a4166159


Carey you need to get away from websites that only have one objective. Try something fair and balanced^_^ .
 
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Carey, Here's some good reading for you, I will warn you they are not Christian zionist.

Distinction Between Israel and the Church - John Gerstner
The Land in the New Testament - David Devenish
Christ is Coming? Christ is Here! - Stan Moody
The Meaning of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12) - Stephen Sizer
The Rapture? (I Thessalonians 4: 15-18) - Father Daniel Swire


Fair and balanced???^_^ http://www.christianzionism.org/BibleSays/Swire01.asp

I have read many perversions on the word. But what I see with my own eyes and read in the word fit perfectly.

God would not allow zionsim to exist if it did not fulfill his prophecies.

God (allows) everything to exist good and bad for his purposes.

He even used Ramses, Constantine and Hitler for his own purposes, in his righteous anger to punish his chosen people but........

Isaiah 60 : 10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.

Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion

14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

By the way I am not a Christian Zionist.

I have never studied anything on them.
I simply read my Bible and look at current world affairs and it is plain as day.

I really don't ever remeber thinking about the term zionist
until seeing your bazillion posts using the term.
 
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Fair and balanced???^_^ http://www.christianzionism.org/BibleSays/Swire01.asp

I have read many perversions on the word. But what I see with my own eyes and read in the word fit perfectly.

God would not allow zionsim to exist if it did not fulfill his prophecies.

God (allows) everything to exist good and bad for his purposes.

He even used Ramses, Constantine and Hitler for his own purposes, in his righteous anger to punish his chosen people but........

Isaiah 60 : 10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.

Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion

14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

By the way I am not a Christian Zionist.

I have never studied anything on them.
I simply read my Bible and look at current world affairs and it is plain as day.

I really don't ever remeber thinking about the term zionist
until seeing your bazillion posts using the term.

for Christians who belong to Zionist denominations in southern Africa, see Zionist Churches Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism, mainly in English-speaking countries outside Europe. The idea was propounded as early as 1917 in the London Manifesto.
Christian Zionism, as a specifically theological belief, does not necessarily entail sympathy for the Jews as a nation or for Judaism as a religion. Since the biblical text is filled with references to God's chosen people, it is common for Christian Zionists to emphasize the Jewish roots of Christianity, and even to promote Jewish practices and Hebrew terminology as part of their own practice; however, Christian Zionists commonly believe that to fulfill prophecy, a significant number of Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah, and that in the last days, such Messianic Jews will practice a thoroughly Hebraic form of Christianity.
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, along with the ingrafted (based on Romans 11:17-24, Holy Bible) Gentile Christians. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
 
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for Christians who belong to Zionist denominations in southern Africa, see Zionist Churches Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism, mainly in English-speaking countries outside Europe. The idea was propounded as early as 1917 in the London Manifesto.
Christian Zionism, as a specifically theological belief, does not necessarily entail sympathy for the Jews as a nation or for Judaism as a religion. Since the biblical text is filled with references to God's chosen people, it is common for Christian Zionists to emphasize the Jewish roots of Christianity, and even to promote Jewish practices and Hebrew terminology as part of their own practice; however, Christian Zionists commonly believe that to fulfill prophecy, a significant number of Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah, and that in the last days, such Messianic Jews will practice a thoroughly Hebraic form of Christianity.
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, along with the ingrafted (based on Romans 11:17-24, Holy Bible) Gentile Christians. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

see my next post I will show you my own independent study on this.
 
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Understand wars must come to pass andIsrael will be part of many of them and the reason for them too.

I have thought on this a long time.
I of course do not expect you to take the verse I have put in in the order I put them here as absolutely correct.
I have ommited and added to ( I pray this is ok with God since it is a letter and not a Bible)with my commentary but I wondered what all you thought.

I assume this is only talking about people who have never had a Chance to hear about Jesus and the Gospel or read a Bible.

If you have a good heart and concience....

Romans 2 :
13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

It sounds like on Judgement day God will judge by their hearts and actions since they did not get a chance to hear the Gospel before they died.

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But notice their are 2 resurrections.

Revelations 20 : 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

1 Corinthians 15 : 50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

So it sounds like the non Christians won't be raised in the first ressurection if they are good or bad.

Revelations 20 : 7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth

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Who are these nations who will be decieved after the 1000 years is over??
They must have been here as humans having babies etc. during the 1000 years.

Revelations 20 : 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

So it seems many even while Christ has been here on earth ruling very strictly, will believe the devil after he is released and think they can win the war against Jesus.

Revelations 21 : 1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.[c] 17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick[d] (according to the human standard used by the angel).
24 The nations will walk in its light, and the kings of the world will enter the city in all their glory.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

1 Corinthians 15 : 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.


So one must also reason some will become believers and grow to love him and some to resent him because they were never allowed to enter the city of heaven on earth during the 1000 years .

Revelations 21 : 22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.( it seems these people have not yet met death or judgement )

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After Satan will be released and go out to decieve the nations, then those who were here and born during the 1000 years will have to choose to fight with Satan and be killed by God fire from heaven or not fight with Satan and then get beheaded.
Those who died before,during, or after in the final war,of the 1000 year reign,who had not been given immortal bodies in the first resurrection or at his return and will be raised on judgement day and judged.
These will either be given immortality or death at the second death / second resurrection and judgement.

Then the a seperate end will come it seems for the devil and the beast and false prophet than humans first before the Judgement in the lake of burning ( SULFUR ).

Revelations 20 : 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now as for the rest of the humans it seems there is a different final and permanent end for them.In a lake of ( FIRE ) not ( SULLFUR ).:scratch:
It seems even death and hell are done away with permanently along with them here.

Revelations 20 : 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

What happens next ??

Revelations 21 : 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life

Revelations 22 : 1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse.

The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

So it seems this process started in the beginning of the 1000 years while there were still humans to be physiaclly healed,and continues after the 1000 year reign and judgement.


Believe me I am by no means suggesting you take what I type here as absolute. I want everyone to read the entire Bible for themselves, because this is not meant to replace the book by ommiting or adding to the Bible.
I would never have the audacity to do that.:eek:

Jesus Is Coming

Revelations 22 :7"Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."

10Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. 11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."
12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.
 
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Understand wars must come to pass andIsrael will be part of many of them and the reason for them too.

I have thought on this a long time.
I of course do not expect you to take the verse I have put in in the order I put them here as absolutely correct.
I have ommited and added to ( I pray this is ok with God since it is a letter and not a Bible)with my commentary but I wondered what all you thought.

I assume this is only talking about people who have never had a Chance to hear about Jesus and the Gospel or read a Bible.

If you have a good heart and concience....

Romans 2 :
13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

It sounds like on Judgement day God will judge by their hearts and actions since they did not get a chance to hear the Gospel before they died.

03.gif
But notice their are 2 resurrections.

Revelations 20 : 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

1 Corinthians 15 : 50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

So it sounds like the non Christians won't be raised in the first ressurection if they are good or bad.

Revelations 20 : 7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth

33.gif
Who are these nations who will be decieved after the 1000 years is over??
They must have been here as humans having babies etc. during the 1000 years.

Revelations 20 : 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

So it seems many even while Christ has been here on earth ruling very strictly, will believe the devil after he is released and think they can win the war against Jesus.

Revelations 21 : 1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.[c] 17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick[d] (according to the human standard used by the angel).
24 The nations will walk in its light, and the kings of the world will enter the city in all their glory.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

1 Corinthians 15 : 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.


So one must also reason some will become believers and grow to love him and some to resent him because they were never allowed to enter the city of heaven on earth during the 1000 years .

Revelations 21 : 22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.( it seems these people have not yet met death or judgement )

33.gif
After Satan will be released and go out to decieve the nations, then those who were here and born during the 1000 years will have to choose to fight with Satan and be killed by God fire from heaven or not fight with Satan and then get beheaded.
Those who died before,during, or after in the final war,of the 1000 year reign,who had not been given immortal bodies in the first resurrection or at his return and will be raised on judgement day and judged.
These will either be given immortality or death at the second death / second resurrection and judgement.

Then the a seperate end will come it seems for the devil and the beast and false prophet than humans first before the Judgement in the lake of burning ( SULFUR ).

Revelations 20 : 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now as for the rest of the humans it seems there is a different final and permanent end for them.In a lake of ( FIRE ) not ( SULLFUR ).:scratch:
It seems even death and hell are done away with permanently along with them here.

Revelations 20 : 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

What happens next ??

Revelations 21 : 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life

Revelations 22 : 1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse.

The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

So it seems this process started in the beginning of the 1000 years while there were still humans to be physiaclly healed,and continues after the 1000 year reign and judgement.


Believe me I am by no means suggesting you take what I type here as absolute. I want everyone to read the entire Bible for themselves, because this is not meant to replace the book by ommiting or adding to the Bible.
I would never have the audacity to do that.:eek:

Jesus Is Coming

Revelations 22 :7"Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."

10Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. 11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."
12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

Carey should not it be enough that Christ will Return? Why look for signs? To me this is a total waste of time as ONLY God knows of the time and hour. Simply put, we are to be just, ready, ready for that thief in the night. For me, I am content in his word, knowing that he knows my every thought and deed, trusting totally his teaching and trying my absolute and miserable, imperfect best to love my neighbor as myself.
 
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