Would you support Trump if he ignored an SC decision?

[Bradskii]

The title says it all.

Apparently...he could. Two questions then arise:

1. Would he? And I'm afraid that I personally think the answer to that is yes.
2. Would you support him in doing so?

From what I have read, the only recourse is impeachment. So c'mon, guys. This is where the rubber hits the road. How far do you follow this guy?

 

[stevil]

The title says it all.

Apparently...he could. Two questions then arise:

1. Would he? And I'm afraid that I personally think the answer to that is yes.
2. Would you support him in doing so?

From what I have read, the only recourse is impeachment. So c'mon, guys. This is where the rubber hits the road. How far do you follow this guy?

I suspect they would follow him as long as what he is doing is triggering the left. Even if it hurts themselves, as long as it is triggering for the left.

 

[Chesterton]

You're talking about the same Supreme Court that issued the Dred Scott decision, that said negroes can't be citizens?

 

[Bradskii]

You're talking about the same Supreme Court that issued the Dred Scott decision, that said negroes can't be citizens?

Of course. Different judges (obviously), but the same SC with the same powers now as it had then. But the question is not whether you agree with any given decision. So bringing up a specific one doesn't help in answering it. Except that it does suggest that you'd support him ignoring an SC ruling if you disagreed with it. But I don't want to put words in your mouth.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Week three and we are talking impeachment? What took so long?

 

[Bradskii]

Week three and we are talking impeachment? What took so long?

He does seem to have tendency to ignore the constitution and the law. I think that considering that the courts have put a hold on a couple of his edicts then it's reasonable to ask what might happen if he ignores their rulings and it goes all the way to the top. As it probably will. And then it's reasonable to ask if people would support him ignoring them. I'd like to know how far would they would go.

You are free to give an opinion on that.

 

[Chesterton]

Of course. Different judges (obviously), but the same SC with the same powers now as it had then. But the question is not whether you agree with any given decision. So bringing up a specific one doesn't help in answering it. Except that it does suggest that you'd support him ignoring an SC ruling if you disagreed with it. But I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Let me ask you, what are your thoughts on that thing we call "civil disobedience"?

 

[Vambram]

He does seem to have tendency to ignore the constitution and the law. I think that considering that the courts have put a hold on a couple of his edicts then it's reasonable to ask what might happen if he ignores their rulings and it goes all the way to the top. As it probably will. And then it's reasonable to ask if people would support him ignoring them. I'd like to know how far would they would go.

You are free to give an opinion on that.

I recall Joe Biden and his administration ignoring SCOTUS rulings regarding the Biden college loan forgiveness schemes of his administration. I'm pretty sure that American liberals supported Biden doing that.

 

[BCP1928]

Let me ask you, what are your thoughts on that thing we call "civil disobedience"?

Would the President ignoring a Supreme Court order constitute civil disobedience?

 

[Chesterton]

Would the President ignoring a Supreme Court order constitute civil disobedience?

I think so.

 

[Vambram]

Would the President ignoring a Supreme Court order constitute civil disobedience?

NO, it would not be considered to be civil disobedience.

 

[Bradskii]

Let me ask you, what are your thoughts on that thing we call "civil disobedience"?

I thought as I was typing out the title of the thread that this would be along the lines of the usual responses that it would get. But anyway...

I support people's right to disobey any ruling that a court might make. On principle. And I would do so myself. But I would expect to be punished for my actions and I would disobey any ruling with full expectation of the consequences. In fact I would disobey the ruling with a view to being punished to highlight my position. Not simply to avoid compliance.

Maybe you have the same view. I don't know yet.

 

[QvQ]

Would the President ignoring a Supreme Court order constitute civil disobedience?

Andrew Jackson did it
Biden did it

I like Old Hickory but history has since proved him wrong, very wrong on ignoring Worchester v Georgia.
Biden... Studen Loans very bad precedent as it was unfair to people who had paid their loans and there wasn't any guarantee that subsequent borrowers could enjoy the same forgiveness. That makes it UnConstitutional absolutely.

Jackson later regretted his actions and issued a Proclamation that the Supreme Court had ultimate power and must be obeyed.
But Biden seemed to do as he pleased, regardless of Laws or the Courts. He was a dictator in that he made the law on immigration and transgender through Executive Orders and through Agencies as in student loans without regard for the actual law or the Courts.

I doubt Trump is that arrogant so the question in the OP is moot.

 

[Bradskii]

Andrew Jackson did it
Biden did it

Jackson and Lincoln. Biden adjusted what he planned to do so that it wasn't covered by the court ruling. There's some debate as to the ethics therein but it's irrelevant anyway. I'm not interested in schoolyard arguments that say 'But sir, he did so why can't I'. The question in the thread title stands.

I doubt Trump is that arrogant so the question in the OP is moot.

One, the first part of that almost made me laugh out loud. And two, it's a hypothetical. I know a lot of people on this forum have problems with them, but give it your best shot anyway.

 

[Bradskii]

NO, it would not be considered to be civil disobedience.

I must admit that I don't know what the technical term might be. The SC doesn't make laws, it only interprets them. So he's not breaking a law. Maybe someone with more legal knowledge can help us out here.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You're talking about the same Supreme Court that issued the Dred Scott decision, that said negroes can't be citizens?

And about Abe Lincoln who ignored the Supremes when he wanted to.

The options are to impeach or live with it.

 

[QvQ]

I'm not interested in schoolyard arguments that say 'But sir, he did so why can't I'. The question in the thread title stands.

There is nothing in my post that suggests that I approve of "he did it" or using Jackson or Bidens Contempt of Court and the Laws of the Nation as an escuse for subsequent President's Contempt of the Court and Laws
It is most properly stated Contempt of Court

That should answer your hypothetical. No, I would not and never have supported anyone who has Contempt for the Court.
It is alarming how many people in this Country were out marching around, railing against the Court over the Dobbs decision
The Democratic Party has even attempted to pack the Court and has attacked the Justices to annul their power to decide Constitutional issues. I haven't seen that Andrew Jackson's Proclamation (Executive Order) has been rescinded. IT is still in force and effect.

Do I think Trump does or would have Contempt for the Court, No, I do not.

 

[Bradskii]

It is most properly stated Contempt of Court

Of course. I should have realised that...

That should answer your hypothetical. No, I would not and never have supported anyone who has Contempt for the Court.

Can't get a more straight forward answer than that. Thanks.

 

[JSRG]

Andrew Jackson did it
Biden did it

I like Old Hickory but history has since proved him wrong, very wrong on ignoring Worchester v Georgia.
Biden... Studen Loans very bad precedent as it was unfair to people who had paid their loans and there wasn't any guarantee that subsequent borrowers could enjoy the same forgiveness. That makes it UnConstitutional absolutely.

Jackson later regretted his actions and issued a Proclamation that the Supreme Court had ultimate power and must be obeyed.
But Biden seemed to do as he pleased, regardless of Laws or the Courts. He was a dictator in that he made the law on immigration and transgender through Executive Orders and through Agencies as in student loans without regard for the actual law or the Courts.

I doubt Trump is that arrogant so the question in the OP is moot.

The claim that Andrew Jackson ignored Worcester v. Georgia is often made, but it doesn't seem to be true. Worcester v. Georgia didn't tell him to do anything at all. Now, there were definite indications that if the Supreme Court went on to do so, he would have refused--but they never ended up doing that, so ultimately the most someone can say is that Jackson probably would have refused to do anything if they told him to.

This was also nearly 200 years ago so I'm not so sure how good of an argument this is in regards to modern Presidential behavior.

Biden isn't an example either. The Supreme Court struck down one loan forgiveness plan so he just tried another with a different mechanism that hadn't been struck down. The whole reason he was trying the different mechanism was because he was respecting the decision.

 

[JSRG]

And about Abe Lincoln who ignored the Supremes when he wanted to.

The options are to impeach or live with it.

As far as I am aware, the only decision Lincoln actively ignored was Ex Parte Merryman, which wasn't an actual decision of the Supreme Court.